Open Thread - Game 40: Mets vs Cardinals (05/18/2006) on SNY

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 12:15 PM EDT

It's kind of pathetic that Aaron Heilman is stuck in the bullpen and Lima Time! gets to go out there and embarrass himself (and the Mets organization) every fifth day. I'll consider it a quality start if he allows fewer runs than innings pitched, something he has yet to do in two previous attempts this season.

Let's go Mets!

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Brian Bannister

2 batters 5 pitches out of game not sure why yet though. Get us some pitchers now.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:47 PM EDT reply actions

yikes! (n/t)

by kingcritical on May 18, 2006 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Just read

over on Metsblog from people listening to the audio that he had a cramp in his injured leg but that it does not seem bad and was mostly a precaution. Still scary. I posted this question over there and wondering what others thought would anyone take a shot on Kerry Wood, if it did not take Milo, he is not signed for next year but if healthy he would be nasty behind Pedro and TG.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I would talke a flyer for wood

on a big discount though. At worse you could put him in Heilman's role and move AH to the rotation. He would be nasty along with Sanchez.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

That would

be my point or thought maybe a Carlos Gomez he is toolsy but has not fulfilled. It is a high risk reward for both sides.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions

No Pujols

That is a positive..

by Schifftis on May 18, 2006 12:55 PM EDT reply actions

phew

That's a relief. Lima Time! needs all the help he can get.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Soler's line today

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Soler 7.0 5 2 2 2 8 0 2.75

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:07 PM EDT reply actions

Not Long Now

If his next few starts are as good as this one the Mets will have to seriously consider bringing him up. He can't be any worse than Lima Time!, and he may be better than Bannister or Gonzalez.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

More...

To follow up, I would also much sooner bring Soler up than Pelfrey. Soler is already 26 and has pitched professional ball in Cuba; he is a much better candidate for promotion.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

We're already paying Soler the big bucks, he might as well move to the rotation and earn his cash, plus, we wouldn't be stunting his development.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

he has the experience from Cuba and International(?). I say he should be up to take Lima's next start depending on how it goes today. Maybe he should start against Florida next weekend if the rotation can be jugled to avoid the this spot in the rotation.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

willie trying to gets extra bats in

Valentin at 2B? Heaven help us.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

Valentin

Had to get Matsui out of there. Give him and us a break.

by scchask on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

He may have needed the day off and had a killer ab last night, he hasn't been bad. Plus why not use Woody esp. with Nady resting too.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Matsui

...is batting .247 with 1 HR and 5 RBI. Doesn't seem like much improvement from last year.

by scchask on May 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

He missed the first 3 weeks

of the year. He has given little below league average production at 2b, and fielded well. The league isn't exactly stocked at that position with hitters.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice play

to rob Reyes of a hit.

Off topic: But Kyle Davies is out for the season, I wish him a speedy successful recovery.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

Is this

from the TBS broadcast.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Will Carroll

posted that in his UTK segment on BP.

Apparently the groin injury was bad.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Valetin

Any one else surprised that the combination of that pitch and that swing ended up as a pop up to third?

by future on May 18, 2006 1:14 PM EDT reply actions

No

Though it never surprises me when the combination of a thrown ball and Valentin's bat results in a weak out of any variety.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Hahahahaha

Touche.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

That was quick

Beltran's throw...yikes.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

Nice of the umpire

To ask for some new baseballs and wipe off the plate to let Castro have a few moments to recover.

Not all blues hate us.

And a nice K by Lima.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT reply actions

But

Jose Lima does hate the Mets.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

I'd blame

Carlos Beltran for that run.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I give

Beltran some credit but at this point I blame Lima for well not getting outs.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

ahhh

lima time, why do you torment us? good thing the pen is reasonably rested.

Soler time?

and i'm for giving Kaz a day off, but do we have to start Valentin AND start him at 2nd AND bat him 2nd. He was just starting to perform well when expectations were at rock bottom. Why raise them now?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

and weakening d

stache not know as a good gloveman at all on the infield.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

that's what I mean

I totally agree. if we have to start him in the OF, his bat has been decent, fine, but at 2nd? it is moot with lima time on the mound anyway

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Good hit by Delgado

At least we're not getting no-hit.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

Even though that at-bat

ended up with a pop out, that was a good at-bat by DWright, 10 pitches. We need more of those to get into the Cardinals middle relief.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:38 PM EDT reply actions

Anyone else here?

Just asking.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:46 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah

just bothered by watching Lima, and that everyone besides Delgado and Wright let Marquis off the hook when he can't throw strikes.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions

What was up with that 3-1

pitch to Castro? Was it at his shoulders or at his eyeballs?

I appreciate the aggressiveness, but when you have a free base, take it.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone else think

Reyes should have gone to third? I think Miles was an easy out there.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions

i think Lima should stop giving up

so many hits so that we don't have to keep making throw decisions

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Lima Time

Continuing to blow.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT reply actions

I cannot

watch Lima pitch anymore even it means we have some other guy who get guys out. I want to look at a new piece of garbage.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

The Mets

could have a contest for Mets fans. Get called up to the show and be the fifth starter.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

it like an automatic loss

just forfeit if this guy is going to continue to pitch.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly save the pen.

Soler cannot do much worse than this.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Lima

catch the damn ball.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

That was an absolute bullet

All on Delgado. What an idiot. Who throws it hard to the pitcher covering first in that situation?

by future on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

he made a bad play

it doesn't make an idiot. Maybe he was trying to hit Lima in the coconut so we can get a good pitcher in

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

It is an idiotic decision

To throw the ball hard at Lima and not aim for the head.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

It was

Lima's fault he missed the ball. Look at a replay the offisial scorer changed the error to Lima and Darling said it was his fault.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I watched the replay

And we'll disagree, the throw was to the right of Lima and Lima instinctively got glove on it, but that was Delgado's fault entirely. Who throws that hard when you are that close?

by future on May 18, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice one Delgado

4-0

by future on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

That

was all on Lima. Why is everyone making excuses for this guy.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Dude

watch the replay. He's expecting a soft toss(which is what any sane person would have expected) and instead Delgado rifled it at him.

Delgado must have bet on the over and is just trying to make it happen all by the third inning.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

You

have to be kidding.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

this game

is turning really ugly really quickly

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions

i hope the guys

brought their bats

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I see Willie/Omar

wanting keep Heilman in the pen. It makes the game 6 innings, but Lima makes the game a 2 inning game. This guy can't be allowed to start again.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions

Lima disgusts me

Now he's all pissy with Castro? At least, that's what Howie is hinting at on the radio.

He SUCKKKKKSSSS!! What the hell is going on here? Why is he still in a uniform? I like the forfeit idea.

by JC @ Amazin' Avenue on May 18, 2006 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

He was mad at

Delgado. Because Delgado threw a bullet at him.

Right now, I'm starting to wish I could throw a ball at Lima.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

On

SNY they showed Lima yelling at Castro for not getting him calls.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

as if Castro is thrrowing the

bad pitches.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Give Soler

a shot first especially because he pitched today. Can I be the one to tell Lima that it is over.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

Iima

will be history after today. He's done. Now that Bannister is questionable it might be time to press the panic button

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 18, 2006 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

Ok

Jerry Manuel just got booted and my SNY audio is all messed up.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

what for?

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

arguing about something.

not really sure what yet.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Acta tossed

For what exactly I do not know.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

Or Jerry Manuel

These Fox guys aren't too smart.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:10 PM EDT reply actions

Carlos Beltran

nice boost now pull Lima.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

Beltran!

There you go Carlos.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

Who isn't surprised?

To see Lima back out there.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:24 PM EDT reply actions

maybe willie

is trying to get rid of this guy for good or he figures its 4th inning and he can burn up his bullpen with this Skanees coming in.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Pile up

the PAP. Let him pitch 9.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Bennett

Just missed a HR there.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

What

is the worst time of the day?

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

Lima Time

Notice how much better Lima pitches when he's already cost us the game.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

2 pitches

2 outs. Nice guys.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:31 PM EDT reply actions

that

was a horrible call by the ump.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

He was out

Nice call dumbass.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

Peterson's advice to Jose Lima

"Pretend you're someone else. Someone who doesn't suck."

by future on May 18, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

Throw

a strike Jose.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:43 PM EDT reply actions

Also

Forget the outside corner, that pitch only exists as a strike when Delgado is at the plate.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:43 PM EDT reply actions

Nice job

Jose nice job mr 1st base ump.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

Crap

That's on you, blue.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

Lima Time

Sucks shit.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

Hopefully the very last time

We will ever see Lima in a Mets uniform.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

I doubt it....

I say it's 50/50 they bring him back for another start.

Which, incidentally, is also the same odds that I'll show up at his next start with a sniper rifle.

by JC @ Amazin' Avenue on May 18, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

that might be the understatement

of the year Eric.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

However

Two runs weren't his fault. One was a bullet throw by Delgado that the scorer believes was Lima's fault(but I think was Delgado's) and the other being the absolutely terrible call at first base.

The guy sucks, but man, he has no luck whatsoever.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions

i would argue that lima is one of the luckiest men

alive.

he is not a major league pitcher, but yet, is a major league pitcher
have you seen his wife?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

woah!

Damn split personalities

by JC @ Amazin' Avenue on May 18, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

that is too weird

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, he has SOME luck

I mean, they're letting him pitch in the majors when clearly he doesn't deserve it.

And have you seen his wife?

by JC @ Amazin' Avenue on May 18, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

for the bad call Kerwin Danley. No excuse for Lima today but that last one did score with 2 outs and the man who scored it was given first base.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions

kerry wood

getting LimaTimed by the gnats.

Cole Hamels = scary

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 18, 2006 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

um

I don't even know what to say about that any more.
Oh wait the Skanks have Scott Erickson pitching right now.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Jose Valentin

That better go on the blog.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

Yep

and Milwauke is now leading the Phils.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions

Yea

But the Braves keep on winning.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not afraid of the Braves right now

Especially with Davies out for the season. One thing the Braves always had was luck with their starting rotation. Yes, there have been injuries to their starters in the field, but their rotation is in shambles and we're getting Bannister back and Maine in the next week and they'll have to find some way to not lose when Sosa takes the mound.

by future on May 18, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

You

missed the part where Bannister left after 5 pitches today that were talking about b4 the game.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

from mlb.com

Twenty-two days after he strained his right hamstring, and one day after he tried to pitch in game for the first time since the original injury, Brian Bannister will be re-examined via MRI on Friday to determine the extent of the injury and the recovery. The Mets rookie pitcher is to be in New York for an examination that the Mets hope will tell them he didn't re-injure the hamstring on Thursday during his five-pitch cameo appearance in a Triple-A game.

"We don't know," assistant general manager John Ricco said on Thursday, "if he did more damage or if he just wasn't ready to come back. He felt some tightness and took himself out of the game."

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060518&content_id=1459858&vkey news_nym&fext.jsp&c_id=nym

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on May 18, 2006 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope no re-injury, but

even if not, clearly his absence will be longer than expected. I just hope management sees what we fans do, i.e. that Lima needs to go. I'm in complete agreement with those who want Heilman moved into the rotation, arguing it'd be much easier to fill his spot in the bullpen than it would be to find a starter.

by BlueYonder on May 18, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Can't use the bullpen

When you're losing by 5 runs in the 5th.

by future on May 18, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions

my rally cap is on

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions

DWright

made the smart decision, we don't need one run anyways.

by future on May 18, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

Floyd

Where was that double last night in the ninth?

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions

I hate empty

numbers from guys.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know what's wrong with Floyd

But I still don't know how Wright didn't score on that double. He was at second base before the ball hit the ground.

Oh well, it would have been 6-4 instead of 6-3 which wouldn't have mattered.

by future on May 18, 2006 3:53 PM EDT reply actions

sigh

a crummy loss, got put in an early hole with bad pitching and shaky fielding. still not the worst road trip of all time.

if we can play the yankees and phillies tough, we go to Florida for 3, then play arizona and san francisco at home. hopefully we can pick up some wins there.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions