Open Thread - Game 40: Mets vs Cardinals (05/18/2006) on SNY

Brian Bannister

2 batters 5 pitches out of game not sure why yet though. Get us some pitchers now.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:47 PM EDT 0 recs

yikes! (n/t)

by kingcritical on May 18, 2006 12:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

over on Metsblog from people listening to the audio that he had a cramp in his injured leg but that it does not seem bad and was mostly a precaution. Still scary. I posted this question over there and wondering what others thought would anyone take a shot on Kerry Wood, if it did not take Milo, he is not signed for next year but if healthy he would be nasty behind Pedro and TG.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

I would talke a flyer for wood

on a big discount though. At worse you could put him in Heilman's role and move AH to the rotation. He would be nasty along with Sanchez.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 12:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

That would

be my point or thought maybe a Carlos Gomez he is toolsy but has not fulfilled. It is a high risk reward for both sides.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

No Pujols

That is a positive..

by Schifftis on May 18, 2006 12:55 PM EDT 0 recs

phew

That's a relief. Lima Time! needs all the help he can get.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

Soler's line today

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Soler 7.0 5 2 2 2 8 0 2.75

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:07 PM EDT 0 recs

Not Long Now

If his next few starts are as good as this one the Mets will have to seriously consider bringing him up. He can't be any worse than Lima Time!, and he may be better than Bannister or Gonzalez.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

More...

To follow up, I would also much sooner bring Soler up than Pelfrey. Soler is already 26 and has pitched professional ball in Cuba; he is a much better candidate for promotion.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

I agree

We're already paying Soler the big bucks, he might as well move to the rotation and earn his cash, plus, we wouldn't be stunting his development.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

I agree

he has the experience from Cuba and International(?). I say he should be up to take Lima's next start depending on how it goes today. Maybe he should start against Florida next weekend if the rotation can be jugled to avoid the this spot in the rotation.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

willie trying to gets extra bats in

Valentin at 2B? Heaven help us.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:11 PM EDT 0 recs

Valentin

Had to get Matsui out of there. Give him and us a break.

by scchask on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

Well

He may have needed the day off and had a killer ab last night, he hasn't been bad. Plus why not use Woody esp. with Nady resting too.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

Matsui

...is batting .247 with 1 HR and 5 RBI. Doesn't seem like much improvement from last year.

by scchask on May 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

He missed the first 3 weeks

of the year. He has given little below league average production at 2b, and fielded well. The league isn't exactly stocked at that position with hitters.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 10:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

Nice play

to rob Reyes of a hit.

Off topic: But Kyle Davies is out for the season, I wish him a speedy successful recovery.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:13 PM EDT 0 recs

Is this

from the TBS broadcast.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:22 PM EDT up 0 recs

Will Carroll

posted that in his UTK segment on BP.

Apparently the groin injury was bad.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

Thanks

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

Valetin

Any one else surprised that the combination of that pitch and that swing ended up as a pop up to third?

by future on May 18, 2006 1:14 PM EDT 0 recs

No

Though it never surprises me when the combination of a thrown ball and Valentin's bat results in a weak out of any variety.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

Hahahahaha

Touche.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

That was quick

Beltran's throw...yikes.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:22 PM EDT 0 recs

Nice of the umpire

To ask for some new baseballs and wipe off the plate to let Castro have a few moments to recover.

Not all blues hate us.

And a nice K by Lima.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:25 PM EDT 0 recs

But

Jose Lima does hate the Mets.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:28 PM EDT 0 recs

I'd blame

Carlos Beltran for that run.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

I give

Beltran some credit but at this point I blame Lima for well not getting outs.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

ahhh

lima time, why do you torment us? good thing the pen is reasonably rested.

Soler time?

and i'm for giving Kaz a day off, but do we have to start Valentin AND start him at 2nd AND bat him 2nd. He was just starting to perform well when expectations were at rock bottom. Why raise them now?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT 0 recs

and weakening d

stache not know as a good gloveman at all on the infield.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

that's what I mean

I totally agree. if we have to start him in the OF, his bat has been decent, fine, but at 2nd? it is moot with lima time on the mound anyway

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

Good hit by Delgado

At least we're not getting no-hit.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT 0 recs

Even though that at-bat

ended up with a pop out, that was a good at-bat by DWright, 10 pitches. We need more of those to get into the Cardinals middle relief.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:38 PM EDT 0 recs

Anyone else here?

Just asking.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:46 PM EDT 0 recs

Yeah

just bothered by watching Lima, and that everyone besides Delgado and Wright let Marquis off the hook when he can't throw strikes.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT 0 recs

What was up with that 3-1

pitch to Castro? Was it at his shoulders or at his eyeballs?

I appreciate the aggressiveness, but when you have a free base, take it.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

Anyone else think

Reyes should have gone to third? I think Miles was an easy out there.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:51 PM EDT 0 recs

i think Lima should stop giving up

so many hits so that we don't have to keep making throw decisions

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

Lima Time

Continuing to blow.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:52 PM EDT 0 recs

I cannot

watch Lima pitch anymore even it means we have some other guy who get guys out. I want to look at a new piece of garbage.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:53 PM EDT 0 recs

The Mets

could have a contest for Mets fans. Get called up to the show and be the fifth starter.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

it like an automatic loss

just forfeit if this guy is going to continue to pitch.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

Exactly save the pen.

Soler cannot do much worse than this.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

Lima

catch the damn ball.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT 0 recs

That was an absolute bullet

All on Delgado. What an idiot. Who throws it hard to the pitcher covering first in that situation?

by future on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

he made a bad play

it doesn't make an idiot. Maybe he was trying to hit Lima in the coconut so we can get a good pitcher in

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

It is an idiotic decision

To throw the ball hard at Lima and not aim for the head.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

It was

Lima's fault he missed the ball. Look at a replay the offisial scorer changed the error to Lima and Darling said it was his fault.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

I watched the replay

And we'll disagree, the throw was to the right of Lima and Lima instinctively got glove on it, but that was Delgado's fault entirely. Who throws that hard when you are that close?

by future on May 18, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

Nice one Delgado

4-0

by future on May 18, 2006 1:56 PM EDT 0 recs

That

was all on Lima. Why is everyone making excuses for this guy.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

Dude

watch the replay. He's expecting a soft toss(which is what any sane person would have expected) and instead Delgado rifled it at him.

Delgado must have bet on the over and is just trying to make it happen all by the third inning.

by future on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

You

have to be kidding.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

this game

is turning really ugly really quickly

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 18, 2006 1:57 PM EDT 0 recs

i hope the guys

brought their bats

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

I see Willie/Omar

wanting keep Heilman in the pen. It makes the game 6 innings, but Lima makes the game a 2 inning game. This guy can't be allowed to start again.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:00 PM EDT 0 recs

Lima disgusts me

Now he's all pissy with Castro? At least, that's what Howie is hinting at on the radio.

He SUCKKKKKSSSS!! What the hell is going on here? Why is he still in a uniform? I like the forfeit idea.

by JC on May 18, 2006 2:03 PM EDT 0 recs

He was mad at

Delgado. Because Delgado threw a bullet at him.

Right now, I'm starting to wish I could throw a ball at Lima.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

On

SNY they showed Lima yelling at Castro for not getting him calls.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

as if Castro is thrrowing the

bad pitches.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

Give Soler

a shot first especially because he pitched today. Can I be the one to tell Lima that it is over.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:03 PM EDT 0 recs

Iima

will be history after today. He's done. Now that Bannister is questionable it might be time to press the panic button

It's only a game

by elifriedman on May 18, 2006 2:07 PM EDT 0 recs

Ok

Jerry Manuel just got booted and my SNY audio is all messed up.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:09 PM EDT 0 recs

what for?

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

arguing about something.

not really sure what yet.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

Acta tossed

For what exactly I do not know.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:09 PM EDT 0 recs

Or Jerry Manuel

These Fox guys aren't too smart.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:10 PM EDT 0 recs

Carlos Beltran

nice boost now pull Lima.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs

Beltran!

There you go Carlos.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs

Who isn't surprised?

To see Lima back out there.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:24 PM EDT 0 recs

maybe willie

is trying to get rid of this guy for good or he figures its 4th inning and he can burn up his bullpen with this Skanees coming in.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win

by DoctorK16 on May 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pile up

the PAP. Let him pitch 9.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

Bennett

Just missed a HR there.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:25 PM EDT 0 recs

What

is the worst time of the day?

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT 0 recs

Lima Time

Notice how much better Lima pitches when he's already cost us the game.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

2 pitches

2 outs. Nice guys.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs

that

was a horrible call by the ump.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs

He was out

Nice call dumbass.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs

Peterson's advice to Jose Lima

"Pretend you're someone else. Someone who doesn't suck."

by future on May 18, 2006 2:42 PM EDT 0 recs

Throw

a strike Jose.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Also

Forget the outside corner, that pitch only exists as a strike when Delgado is at the plate.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Nice job

Jose nice job mr 1st base ump.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs

Crap

That's on you, blue.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs

Lima Time

Sucks shit.

by Eric Simon on May 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs

Hopefully the very last time

We will ever see Lima in a Mets uniform.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:45 PM EDT 0 recs

I doubt it....

I say it's 50/50 they bring him back for another start.

Which, incidentally, is also the same odds that I'll show up at his next start with a sniper rifle.

by JC on May 18, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

that might be the understatement

of the year Eric.

by udamnwright on May 18, 2006 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs

However

Two runs weren't his fault. One was a bullet throw by Delgado that the scorer believes was Lima's fault(but I think was Delgado's) and the other being the absolutely terrible call at first base.

The guy sucks, but man, he has no luck whatsoever.

by future on May 18, 2006 2:49 PM EDT 0 recs