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Up Next: Florida Marlins

The Marlins come to town for a four-game series, including a double-dip on Saturday, before the Mets' caravan heads to Pittsburgh for the All-Star break.

Record

NL EAST         W   L   PCT   GB    HOME   ROAD   RS   RA  Strk    L10
NY Mets        51  34  .600  ----  25-16  26-18  444  385  Won  3  4-6  
Philadelphia   38  46  .452  12.5  19-25  19-21  404  446  Lost 2  3-7  
Atlanta        38  48  .442  13.5  19-22  19-26  423  435  Won  2  6-4
Florida        36  46  .439  13.5  18-20  18-26  390  391  Lost 1  4-6
Washington     38  49  .437  14.0  20-21  18-28  394  452  Won  1  5-5  

 W    L     RS     RA     W1     L1     W2     L2     W3     L3
36   46    390    391    40.9   41.1   39.2   42.8   37.8   44.2
W1 and L1 are the expected wins and losses based on runs scored and runs allowed.
W2 and L2 are the expected wins and losses based on BP's equivalence runs scored and allowed.
W3 and L3 are similar to W2 and L2 but adjusted for strength of schedule.

The "upstart" Marlins are actually underperforming their expected record by almost two wins, and are underperforming their raw pythagorean record by almost *five* wins.

Starting Rotation

                   W   L    ERA    IP     H/9    SO/9   BB/9   HR/9   VORP
Dontrelle Willis*  5   7   3.96   116.0   9.78   5.20   2.64   0.78   21.8
Scott Olsen*       6   4   4.17    86.1   7.40   7.71   3.96   1.25   11.5
Ricky Nolasco*     4   4   3.97    70.1   9.98   6.40   2.30   1.28    8.8
Josh  Johnson*     6   2   2.34    80.2   7.25   7.70   4.13   0.67   26.8
Anibal Sanchez     1   0   6.60    15.0  12.60   4.80   4.20   1.80  (-2.3)

*  asterisks denote probable starters vs Mets
() parentheses denote negative numbers
italics denote left-handed pitchers
Willis is the elder statesman at 24 years old, with everyone else clocking in at either 22 or 23. Compare that to the Mets, who have a 40-year-old, a 34-year-old, a 35-year-old, a 36-year-old*, and a 33-year-old (not counting Maine, who is just 25, and Pelfrey, who has yet to join the team). As happens with young pitchers, most of these guys struggle with their control a bit, and three of them have given up more than a homerun every nine innings. Willis has rebounded from an atrocious start and is pitching much better of late.

* El Duque is listed as being 36 years old, though it's probably closer to 46.

WPA Top Two
Josh Johnson, 167.0% WPA
Scott Olsen, 73.4% WPA

WPA Bottom Two
Brian Moehler, -152.0% WPA
Sergio Mitre, -27.9% WPA

Starting Lineup

                    Pos   PA    AVG    OBP    SLG   SB  CS   VORP   NL Rank
Miguel Olivo        C    214   .291   .321   .492    2   2   10.6     7/24
Mike Jacobs*        1B   281   .274   .352   .492    2   0   13.1    10/22
Dan Uggla           2B   330   .311   .368   .519    5   2   30.9     2/21
Hanley Ramirez      SS   347   .274   .341   .411   25   4   19.5     4/19
Miguel Cabrera      3B   355   .342   .434   .571    7   5   42.2     1/19
Josh Willingham     LF   283   .267   .353   .465    2   0   10.5    10/21
Reggie Abercrombie  CF   221   .211   .279   .337    4   4  (-7.4)   23/23
Jeremy Hermida*     RF   175   .281   .364   .412    2   0    5.2     9/19

*  asterisks denote left-handed batters
#  pound signs denote switch-hitters
rankings are based on VORP for players with at least 100 PA
Miguel Cabrera continues to be one of the best young hitters in the game, and is pacing NL third basemen in VORP. Dan Uggla, a Rule V draftee that Florida nabbed from the prospect-rich Diamondbacks, has been the second-best player on the team. Hanley Ramirez has been great (for a shortstop) with the bat as well, and has swiped 25 bags in just 29 attempts, an 86% success rate. Everyone else here has been good-to-great, with the exception of Reggie Abercrombie, who has been dreadful in just about every conceivable way.

WPA Top Two
Miguel Cabrera, 226.1% WPA
Daniel Uggla, 76.6% WPA

WPA Bottom Two
Reginald Abercrombie, -131.3% WPA
Alfredo Amezaga, -78.4% WPA

Bullpen

                     ERA     IP     H/9   SO/9   BB/9   HR/9   VORP
Joe Borowski        3.94    32.0   7.88   7.31   4.50   1.12    7.3
Logan Kensing       3.33    24.1   6.29  10.73   5.92   0.37    7.4
Matt Herges         4.15    39.0  10.85   4.85   3.00   0.92    3.8
Jason Vargas        6.27    33.0  10.09   5.73   7.09   1.36  (-5.2)
Randy Messenger     2.81    32.0   8.72   6.47   2.25   0.56    8.3
Taylor Tankersley   2.35     7.2   7.04  10.57   7.04   0.00    2.1
Yusmeiro Petit      7.41    17.0  14.29   6.35   1.06   1.06  (-2.8)
Kensing and Messenger have both been very good, and Joe Borowski has been decent if unspectacular as the Marlins' closer. Tayler Tankersley has been solid in limited action, and former Met farmhand Yusmeiro Petit has been terrible, allowing more than fourteen hits every nine innings. His walk rate is terrific, but little else is worth writing home about. He's still a kid, though, so there's plenty of time for him to work things out.

WPA Top Two
Joe Borowski, 61.0% WPA
Taylor Tankersley, 51.3% WPA

WPA Bottom Two
Matt Herges, -119.0% WPA
Jason Vargas, -80.3% WPA

Bench

                    Pos   PA    AVG    OBP    SLG  SB  CS   VORP
Matt Treanor        C    109   .202   .296   .277   0   1  (-5.5)   
Wes Helms           IF   122   .266   .325   .486   0   2    3.2   
Alfredo Amezaga#    IF   141   .250   .314   .355   6   4  (-0.4)   
Joe Borchard#       OF   141   .234   .326   .379   0   2  (-2.5)   
Cody Ross           OF    83   .222   .305   .375   0   0  (-1.5)
Other than Wes Helms, a bunch of dreck occupying the Marlins' bench.

Manager

After just one year as a coach -- Joe Torre's bench coach in 2005 -- Joe Girardi was handed the reigns of the shoestring-budgeted Marlins, and they have surprised everyone by not being any worse than the Braves, Nats and Phillies.

                        # Times    NL Rank
Pinch Hit                 125       10/16
Stolen Base Attempts       89        2/16
Sacrifice Bunts            38        7/16
Key Injuries
Sergio Mitre, SP
Brian Moehler, SP
Carlos Martinez, RP
Payroll
Team Payroll   MLB Rank
$14,344,500     30/30

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this payroll
is ridiculous, and, in its own way, a lot worse than spending $200 million/year on payroll (which at least benefits other teams).  no way the Marlins should be allowed to pocket as much as they do from revenue sharing (not to mention their share of the Nats sale this year) and put so little of it back into the team.  

They have a lot of young talent, so I'm not even begruging their approach tactically (i.e. what did they really lose by unloading Castillo and Pierre to bring in guys like Uggla and Willingham), but, from a financial point of view, the owner shouldn't be allowed to recoup such a windfall and put nothing back into the team.  

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Jul 7, 2006 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

While it is
a disgrace what they are doing it will come back to bite them in the ass later. I believe they claim to be making up for the losses they have taken the last few years attempting to contend. They have assembled some great young talent on that team but when it is all ready to come together they will have to trade guys because of FA or high arbitration rewards unless they move and get a ton of money.

How come Jeffrey Loria gets to destroy 2 franchises?

by udamnwright on Jul 7, 2006 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that
For all the talk of trading players, very little of it has originated with the Marlins who seem to feel that both Willis and Cabrera are players worth holding onto (and they're still a couple years from FA, and are the only two real arbitration-elligible players around. Willingham/Uggla/Ramirez/Hermida all won't be elligible for 1-2 years at least. And in 1-2 years that team could be a legitimate contender, because that is one hell of a core.

And Larry Beinfest has proven himself to be a very financially creative GM, so I think if the time comes for a couple of complementary-type players, don't be surprised to see it happen, even if they only stick around for a year.

by Alex Nelson on Jul 7, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

First
I agree that Beinfest has shown great skill at working with a budget, and they have a great deal of young talent. I still don't see them being able to keep the team together as time goes on.

by udamnwright on Jul 7, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Abercrombie sucks
I imagine they would take Milledge for Willis...

Just sayin!

by peeder on Jul 7, 2006 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess it's just me...
...but I'm not a huge Willis fan. I would so much sooner trade Milledge for Cabrera and move him back to the outfield. To me, pitchers represent an exremely volatile commodity, and I find that Willis relies an awful lot on deception to be effective; his fastball isn't overpowering, though he has a plus slider.

Cabrera, on the other hand, is one of the five-or-ten best hitters in baseball.

by Eric Simon on Jul 7, 2006 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not just you
Willis strikes me as highly overrated.  His stats against everyone but the Mets are pretty average, and if we pick him up that's the one team he'll never pitch against.

Picking up Cabrera to be the left fielder of the next fifteen years would be great.  He's already a star, and Milledge may or may not become one.  Florida would be foolish to make the move though.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on Jul 7, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Milledge for Willis is already a stretch
Milledge for Cabrera? I would think it would take Milledge + Pelfrey at minimum to land Cabrera.

List two teams in MLB who wouldn't gladly pay dearly for Cabrera.

by peeder on Jul 7, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

KC, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Tampa
and the other small markets.

Florida knows there aren't that many outlets for their big ticket items.

Look at their trading partners from last winter:
NY
Boston
Chicago

Pedro offers you his protection.

by pj on Jul 7, 2006 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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