Mitchell Report Open Thread

by Eric Simon on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 AM EST in Link Dump Comment 51 comments

The ball drops at 2pm EST. Post your thoughts, comments, links, lies, damned lies, and everything in between.

Roger Clemens is apparently on the list, or so says a former trainer of his and Andy Pettitte's.

UPDATE [2:36pm]: The report is available online [pdf].

UPDATE [2:50pm]: I perused the report and came up with the following names. These names have been taken without context, so read the full report for the details and the involvement of these players in the investigation.

Adam Piatt
Adam Riggs
Andy Pettitte
Bart Miadich
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Chris Donnels
Chuck Knoblauch
Cody McKay
Darren Holmes
David Bell
David Justice
David Segui
Denny Neagle
Eric Gagne
Exavier "Nook" Logan
F.P. Santangelo
Fernando Vina
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Glenallen Hill
Gregg Zaun
Hal Morris
Howie Clark
Ismael Valdez
Jack Cust
Jason Christiansen
Jason Grimsley
Jay Gibbons
Jeff Williams
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Jim Parque
John Rocker
Jose Canseco
Jose Guillen
Josias Manazanillo
Kent Mercker
Kevin Brown
Kevin Young
Larry Bigbie
Lenny Dykstra
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Matt Herges
Matt Williams
Miguel Tejada
Mike Bell
Mike Lansing
Mike Stanton
Mo Vaughn
Paul Byrd
Paul Lo Duca
Phil Hiatt
Rick Ankiel
Roger Clemens
Ron Villone
Rondell White
Ryan Franklin
Scott Schoeneweis
Stephen Randolph
Steve Woodard
Tim Laker
Todd Hundley
Todd Pratt
Todd Williams
Troy Glaus

Plus the BALCO bunch:

Barry Bonds
Marvin Benard
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Armando Rios
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield

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"several prominent Yankees"

Of course it means Giambi and Clemens, but who else? Abreu? Damon? Could Sheffield be considered a prominent Yankee since he was with them from 2004-2006?

BTW, how rich would it be if Jeter was on the list? My commute home would involve dodging the bodies of Yankees fans throwing themselves off of buildings. ;-)

I'm hoping it's true that no current Mets are on the list.

Let's Go Meters in New York!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 13, 2007 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yanks

Tim Dierkes indicated that Jetes and Rivera were not on the report, but who knows?

In all honesty, there isn't a name that could surface on any team that would totally surprise me. The estimates that 50% of the league took or is taking PEDs seem pretty reasonable to me.

by Eric Simon on Dec 13, 2007 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sheff

is old news being he was all mixed up in the BALCO stuff.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure

I thought he came out of the BALCO stuff in the clear?

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by dissento on Dec 13, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually...

I'm pretty sure Sheff came out of BALCO with the clear.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

mystery cream

Oh, I found it. He admitted to unknowingly using a steroid cream but was not punished.

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by dissento on Dec 13, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I read Game of Shadows and Sheffield was definitely getting stuff from BALCO for a while.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he admitted to unknowningly taking

steroids during his Grand Jury testimony. He had immunity, like Bonds and wasn't going to be charged with anything, but it did come out he took them.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do you think Bonds had immunity?

I don't think so; otherwise how could he be prosecuted now? Also, there would have been no reason for his trainer to sit in jail all those months.

by madisonmetsfan on Dec 13, 2007 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bonds did have immunity

From the original steroid use, and still has it, he can't be charged with it now and hasn't been. He is alleged lied about them anyway, that's why he being charged now.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought

He used Bonds' patented "I thought it was flax-seed oil" dodge.

by citimetro on Dec 13, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I heard their are a few prominent

Yankees or former yankees on the list from espns first take. This could be the start of Yankeegate. Hmmnn got to start wondering about those world series they won. Cant wait to hear the report.

by sincethebeginning on Dec 13, 2007 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

leaked list circulating:

It's unverified, but...

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel
Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd
Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford
Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon
Carl Everett
Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin
Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez
Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes
Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile
Matt Lawton
Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss
Trot Nixon
Jose Offerman
Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols
Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis
Mo Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams, Kerry Wood

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Holy shnikes!

Pujols!

Most of those names are not surprising, but he does pop out. Varitek also sticks out as very unexpected, and ripe for serious controversy.

Darryl Kile? Was that necessary?

by Nick T on Dec 13, 2007 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Kile

makes me think that this isn't a real list. It would be sad to accuse a guy that's not here to defend himself.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Whose Not on the List Is Suspicious

Actually, its names not on the list like Todd Hundley that makes me wonder how accurate it is.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I chuckled....

... Seeing Brady Anderson first on the list. No duh.

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by dissento on Dec 13, 2007 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

I lived in DC in the late 90s and Brady Anderson went from this little guy to someone who looked like he would explode if you pricked him with a pin.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

true

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Caminiti

That dude juiced until his heart exploded. He admitted it, though...

by citimetro on Dec 13, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that's the list I've seen too

My thoughts:

I breathe a huge sigh of relief that none of the current Mets are on the list, and Piazza isn't either.

I'm also glad in a way that the Jones boys, Teixeira, Smoltz, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and (last but DEFINITELY not least) Pat Burrell aren't on the list. I respect them all as adversaries and was hoping they were all clean.

A-Rod isn't on the list but God fearin' True Yankee Andy Pettitte is. I have to chuckle at that considering that Pettitte is worshipped by Yankee fans almost as much as Jeter is.

Let's Go Meters in New York!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 13, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols

Pujols is not named in the report. I just searched it.

None of the Phillies you name above is on it, either.

Of course, not being in the report does not mean everything, since there likely are many, many guys who used but who are not named.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Problem

This list contradicts earlier reports that no current Mets appear in the Mitchell Report. Ramon Castro's and Scott Schoeneweis's (mis-spelled "Schoenweiis") names imply some fishiness.

by Eric Simon on Dec 13, 2007 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Klapisch Is Wrong

I am not sure about Castro but how can Schoenweiis not be in the Mitchell report when he is on the Albany DAs list?

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Wrong, Klapisch Right

However, the fact that Scheonweiis isn't in the report does make you wonder how many names are missing.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Schoeneweis is in the report

10 instances, starting on page 242.

So much for "no current Mets."

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I Saw That

after my post. I took the word of someone without reading the actual report. That makes more sense.

by millsy on Dec 14, 2007 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I see

Yeah, I just realized that Klapisch said no Mets, but that Castro and Schoeneweis are on the above list. I guess we should wait until 2pm to see what the verdict is.

Let's Go Meters in New York!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 13, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

this list sucks

A quick search of the report for a handful of names on this list reveals that this list is highly inaccurate (not that I ever claimed that it was correct--I was just posting what was out there).

Go here to see for yourself:

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

uhhh

The fact that Rich Garces was on that list should've tipped everyone off to the fact that it was fake right from the start. The only thing that guy was injecting was bacon grease.

by Josh on Dec 13, 2007 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mo Vaughn

who was the position player of Garces was on the real list so you never know.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Up here in Boston

Sports radio guys (normally as homer-ific as they get) were making the good point that Mitchell's connection to, and apparent fan-ship of, the Red Sox could create some serious controversies if several Yankees are named and no - or at least very non-prominent - Red Sox make the list.

I think that's a valid point... one which whiny Yankee fans will take way beyond its logical lengths, however.

by Nick T on Dec 13, 2007 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i actually think

this is a fair point. The whole point of this was to be an objective independent report, they should have found a guy not on the Red Sox board of directors.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mitchell Was Once a Fed Judge

He actually has a pretty strong record of serving in positions requiring impartiality. He served for a number of years as a federal judge and was one of the lead negotiators on Northern Ireland peace accords. I think someone of this stature should be able to put aside his personal views to do his job.

by millsy on Dec 13, 2007 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mitchell

I have nothing but the greatest respect for Mitchell. I'm sure he's a fair guy in general, but he has a clear conflict of interest here, I can't overlook that.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Trot

If Trot is implicated heads will explode... they LOVE him up here.

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by dissento on Dec 13, 2007 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the hoopla is fun

but none of this is news. hmm... millions of dollars are on the line and MLB doesnt test for roids. you think some players might be shooting up? really?

by kendynamo on Dec 13, 2007 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

PLD named in the report

says Schapp on ESPN who is reading from it.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 1:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

indeed

See page 208:

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

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by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2007 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't surprise me

The guy had one phenomenal year and had an insane temper. Thank God he's gone.

Somehow, I imagine people will still trash Paul DePodesta for that trade that looks better and better every day (from the Dodgers point of view).

Let's Go Meters in New York!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 13, 2007 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no Beltran, no Wright, one Martinez, one Reyes

but the Martinez in some guy who shipped to another guy and the Reyes is Gilberto Reyes, so neither is the one on the Mets.

by citimetro on Dec 13, 2007 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

excerpt, p. 100

According to [MLB VP of security] Hallinan's [2002] memo, [Montreal bullpen catcher Luis] Perez told baseball officials ". . . that virtually every player on the Marlins was `doing something' ranging from steroids and greenies, to marijuana, etc. He also claimed that every pitcher in Montreal's bullpen was on some form of steroid."

by citimetro on Dec 13, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Also LoDuca

seems to be a locus of distribution. His name appears in a lot of other player sections a referrer.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Clemens roided up the day he beaned Piazza

in the World Series.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure the Astros are thrilled

They get Tejada in a blockbuster trade, and 24 hours later his name shows up in the report. (Although it doesn't come as a surprise to most people.)

Pedro and Maine and pray we don't go insane.

by TheFlushingKings on Dec 13, 2007 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

They must have known.

Sort of explains why they were able to get him for a rather ordinary set of prospects (or should I say suspects?).

by madisonmetsfan on Dec 13, 2007 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brian Roberts, too

p.158

He only admitted to doing it once or twice...

by citimetro on Dec 13, 2007 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

HOF

i hope the voters now realize that kind keep an entire generation out of the hall (well i guess the CAN, theoretically) and put mcgwire in next vote.

by kendynamo on Dec 13, 2007 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Shame on MLB

Bill Stoneman, who retired in 2007 as the general manager of the Los Angeles Angels, had a similar recollection of a presentation by Drs. Millman and Solomon. He remembered wondering at the time why Major League Baseball had permitted the presentation, which to his recollection included the assertion that there was no evidence that anabolic steroids were bad for you. He said that the baseball executives in attendance were universally frustrated with the message of leniency that was being conveyed.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Shame on the Front Offices

Here's one example, of the Dodgers front offices talking about trading LoDuca because he was off the roids.

Steroids aren't being used anymore on him. Big part of this. Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest.. . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives. . . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That's his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05.

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by DoctorK16 on Dec 13, 2007 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I just wonder why

Generally speaking, I think Mitchell is a fair and gutty guy. He exposes some scandals that stars would not like to face or let all nation's folks know. It's valuable to disclose the truth. But many of us target whose name are listed on the report. And it seems that no body be curious to the reason why he do so. I just wonder why.

by jimbrucer on Dec 17, 2007 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs