Open Thread - Game 32: Mets vs Giants (05/08/2007) on SNY

by Eric Simon on May 8, 2007 10:07 PM EDT

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How about

the asshole Schilling's comments on Bonds today. I'm generally pretty supportive of Bonds, but even more so now that Schilling is his enemy. He's a piece of shit and a Bush supporter to boot.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

I missed it - what did he say?

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

news to me too:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/05/08/schilling.bonds/index.html

Apparently I don't spend enough time following sports talk radio drama.

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Schilling the appointed Judge of others

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/05/curt_on_bonds_1.html

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm with you on Schilling

I think Bonds took roids and I have been consistent in my for his disgust for him doing that. However I thought that big mouth Curt was out of line for.

a) Talking about Bonds tax and maritial problems.

b) Making thinly veiled half assed comments about the result of the ESPN poll that showed Bonds support being high among African-Americans.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

fully agreed on point b

The accusations have clouded Bonds' pursuit of Aaron's record of 755 homers. Aaron has said he will not be in attendance when Bonds attempts to break the record.
"Hank Aaron not being there, the commissioner [Bud Selig] not knowing where he's going to be, it's sad," Schilling told WEEI. "I don't care if he's black, green, purple or yellow or whatever. It's just unfortunate there's good people and bad people."

He's like Stephen Colbert, but without the funny -- "I don't see race." Popular line among white Republican millionaires.

Then again, I think all the vilification of Barry is just silly when he's surrounded by, presumably, dozens to hundred of steroid abusers who haven't hit the way he did. But we've been through this before.

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Schilling Backtracks

"Everyone has days and events in life they'd love to push the rewind button on, yesterday was one of those days," Schilling wrote on his Web site, 38pitches.com. "Regardless of my opinions, thoughts and beliefs on anything Barry Bonds it was absolutely irresponsible and wrong to say what I did. I don't think it's within anyone's right to say the things I said yesterday and affect other peoples [sic] lives in that way.

"... As someone who's made it very clear I have major issues with members of the media that take little or no pride in their work it's the height of hypocrisy for me to say what I did, in any forum," he wrote. "I started this blog to give people a look into the life we live on and off the field, not to get into back and forths with people I don't like or have issues with. Doing that will only make this a rant filled no content bunch of words.

"... It was a callous, wreckless and irresponsible thing to say, and for that I apologize to Barry, Barry's family, Barry's friends and the Giants organization, my teammates and the Red Sox organization as well as anyone else that may have been offended by the comments I made," he wrote.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 9, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Gah

Stupid ground rules.

by Eric Simon on May 8, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

Fast start

Two well struck balls there.

by Eric Simon on May 8, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions

good start!

especially against Cain, a really good young pitcher.

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions

this is a nice way to start

Taking out the frustration from last night. Anyone know what the record for consecutive doubles is?

Driving the Oliver Perez bandwagon!

by Greenpoint Ian on May 8, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

My guess is that it's more than 3

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Productive out from Delgado.

Nice!

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

it's still an out

I was hoping the doubles streak would continue.

Goddammit, Carlos, when are you going to start hitting??????

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by Greenpoint Ian on May 8, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Hah

Is this what we've been reduced to?

by Eric Simon on May 8, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok, so Shilling's an ass.

You know who else is? Eric Byrnes. He was on Faux Sports on Saturday begging Hank Aaron to show up for the record-breaker. Hank's a bigger and better man than Byrnes will ever be, and Byrnes has some nerve telling Hank what his moral imperatives are. Clown.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions

Byrnes

"Clown" is becoming too weak a term of opprobrium for EB -- I vote for "douche" as its replacement. The idea of Byrnes as an "analyst" or "commentator" or whatever is completely absurd. Who would want his opinion on anything, whether it's hitting, fielding, politics, or hairstyling?

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions

How about "ass clown"?

I've been meaning to do a poll on the best post-"ass" extension.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

still not dismissive enough

An ass clown sounds like something it might be entertaining to watch from time to time, whereas Byrnes makes me want to turn the TV off and swallow the remote to prevent accidental re-ignition. "Ass monkey" might work, though.

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

How about "ass jockey" then?

Though "ass monkey" is pretty ding dang good.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah that stupid too

If Hank feels that Bonds using PED's makes the record a fraud and he doesn't want to celebrate it that this his decision.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

good point

Byrnes and Schilling are cut out of the same big mouth cloth. Hank Aaron is smart not to go and have to face all the questions about his feelings about Bonds.I don't think that Henry is doing this out of disrespect for Bonds. He's a true class act and the second best player I've ever seen next to Bonds. By the way the media wants to turn this into a racial, OJ Simpson-like divisive issue.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

lets be honest

The entire coverage of Bonds over the years, since he was a Skinny kid a Pittsburgh has had this racial undercurrent to it. It's finally out on the table too. It just coming to the table now. This is one of the reasons that a lot of the coverage of Lastings Milledge sent me into absolute hives.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Eh, I don't know about that.

Griffey never had this kind of bad press. The difference is that Bonds is an obnoxious a-hole and Griffey isn't.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly My Point

Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson are known as a grade A assholes. But their good at what they do so he's allowed and people let them be for the most part. Why not the same treatment for Bonds and others(Sheffield). The media has very little tolerance for surly black athletes. If your not pleasant all the time they find ways to diminish you. Even the coverage of Griffey has been negatively over the last few years as he grew out of being a affable "Kid" and into his middle age.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Clemens and Eunich have had their

share of righteous opprobrium over the years. At least from me, they have.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

wow Mr. Met

opprobium-an advanced SAT word. I'm impressed. How Howard Cosell of you

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

not on the level

of Bonds. We as Mets fan hate them. Johnson took grief for his sucking last year for Yankees. Nothing on the level of what Bonds, or even someone like Albert Belle got for their not being teddy bears.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

my $.02

While I'm not denying that the "surly black athlete" affect has something to do with the venom directed at Bonds, I think the primary reason he is so villified is that he's a known juicer who is about to break the holiest of holy sports records.

Mark McGwire may never make the Hall of Fame because he was juicing when he hit his 70 HRs, and he's a white guy who was generally cordial with the media.

Anyway, the athlete I despise more than any is a big fat, egomaniacal, roid-raging white guy who just signed with the Yankees in a spectacle that would have made Kim Jong Il proud. I don't care for Bonds, but I've got better things to do than dwell on him.

Driving the Oliver Perez bandwagon!

by Greenpoint Ian on May 8, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

with all of this. I was mostly talking about the pre-steroids coverage of Bonds.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Had Bonds

Clemens etc. been on the Mets would we be so critical . There was very little criticism here for Guillermo Mota for his steroid abuse. Aren't we all hypocrites

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Mota isn't breaking a hallowed record

If Clemens were on the Mets I might be sick

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

also

Giambi and Sheffield have gotten a free pass. So no racial element there. Actually, I might despise Sheffield most of all, but not for using steroids but for admitting to purposely committing errors to get out of Milwaukee. I think he should have been kicked out of baseball for that.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

right

Sheffield might be the biggest asshole in all of baseball, but he'll never get the kind of treatment Bonds gets because he'll never threaten Hank Aaron's record.

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by Greenpoint Ian on May 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

so Bonds has to be punished

for all the juicers who weren't as good as he was.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Sheffield

got a kind free pass because he wasn't breaking hallowed records, and was overshadowed by Giambi and Bonds involvement in that BALCO scandal. Some of the other coverage of Sheffield on other matters has been incredibly harsh. You mention the Milkwakee situation, they misdiagnosed his broken foot for a whole year and made him play with it and subjected him to excess scrutiny in drug testing because of the actions of his uncle, his teammates were also extraordinarily cruel to him has a 19 year old coming up to take a popular player spot on the team. Not excusing his actions but it didn't come in a vacumm. Wow I just wrote a paragraph defending Gary Sheffield.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

sorry Doc

nicely researched and written, but I'm not convinced. Nothing can justify what Sheffield did

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

you're right

he probably should have been suspended for some time. But lets not pretend that the Brewers were blameless.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

suppose I don't like my client

who treated me like shit. would it be ok for me to
intentionally throw his case. the client might not be blameless, but my sin is a whole lot worse.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

you have the choice to

refuse that clients business. Sheffield isn't given that opportunity within baseball.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

not if I'm

a court appointed lawyer on a criminal case. I really don't have a choice.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

you can ask off no?

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

you could

but I wouldn't because I have a duty that I don't take lightly. Actually, this analogy is getting stretched a bit.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

there is truth to what you say

but you have to admit Barry has sometimes been his own worst enemy.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Lo Duca

wants to redeem his throwing arm from all those "Piazza-esque" assessments last year. Nice!

by anonymous on May 8, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

well its easy on a 3-2 pitch when the runner

is taking off late. He did execute throw. That was a piss poor decision by Bochy.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Lo Duca was on the money

Behind the plate, at the track, wherever.

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

that was a moronic move. Had Aurelia made out and Vizquel gotten to second they would have lost Bonds

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

So everyone shaved their heads today

according to MC Lite - have you guys seen any pix?

I was afraid they would all start hitting like Delgado, but that's seemingly not the case.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions

Shawn Green

looks like Demi Moore in "GI Jane". Or Sinead O'Connor.

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

When I look at you

I'm thinking, 14 in the corner pocket.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Very nice

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Foul splash.

Better kayak your happy ass over there and get it, my man.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 10:46 PM EDT reply actions

I love SF fans.

If I lived there, I'd be one (except for when they played the Mets of course).

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions

Easley was dying to make a nice play

and he did!

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions

You're nothing to me, Barry.

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions

hate to jinx him but

DW looks like he's ready to really get going

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:21 PM EDT reply actions

Bummer.

Beltran scortched that.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 11:24 PM EDT reply actions

Come on Carlos D

you gotta get hot sooner or later.

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by elifriedman on May 8, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions

Carlos...

He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a kayak.

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions

What was Paulie writing in the dirt with his foot?

Did anyone catch that?

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions

his mom initials

he does before every ab. She passed away when he was 12 from cancer.

its a ground ball...trickling... its a fair ball, its by Buckner, rounding third Knight, the Mets will win the ballgame, the Mets win!!!

by DoctorK16 on May 8, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions

During his first at-bat he always

writes his late mother's initials in the dirt with his feet. As to why he did it now (assuming that's what he was doing), I don't know.

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks.

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by Mr. Met on May 8, 2007 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

My bad about the "first AB"

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions

More brilliant analysis from Keith Hernandez

The Aflac trivia question asks which 2 players played 100 games against the Mets for 2 different teams.
Hernandez: "Well, it's gotta be someone who played a long time for two different teams."

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions

3 hits, 1 walk, 0 runs

"He's a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd's deciding about yoga --and his future in baseball."

by TheFlushingKings on May 8, 2007 11:45 PM EDT reply actions