Open Thread - Game 133: Mets vs. Phillies (08/30/2007) on SNY

by Eric Simon on Aug 30, 2007 11:46 AM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Hernandez	Lohse
ERA	3.07	4.47
FIP	4.44	4.52
K/9	7.83	5.55
BB/9	3.59	2.55
K/BB	2.18	2.18
HR/9	1.17	1.08
WHIP	1.08	1.33
GB/FB	0.81	0.90
BABIP	.220	.296
eBABIP	.235	.337

Que se dillio:

If you believe in the power of momentum in this sport then the Mets find themselves in quite a pickle. They have lost four straight games overall including the first three in this series and they go at it again with the Phillies today at 1pm. In a way I think it's good for them to get back out there this afternoon to give it another go instead of having to stew over last night's loss for a full 24 (or 21 ) hours. El Duque looks to straighten things out for this wayward ship, but no pitcher is an island: if the Mets can't figure out how to score some runs then the ship's status will rapidly shift from staggering to flag out hull breach.

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Gonna be listening

to the game on the radio while working. Met's gotta get to work too. (Horrible pun. And different lineup.)

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions

that lineup is

SS Jose Reyes
LF Endy Chavez
3B David Wright
CF Carlos Beltran
1B Carlos Delgado
RF Shawn Green
2B Ruben Gotay
C Mike DiFelice
P Orlando Hernandez

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions

We need to win

I don't care how we do it. It can even be on a bullshit call at the end of the game from an umpire cough, cough.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 1:08 PM EDT reply actions

Wonderful start

Bravo. (Reyes would be standing on third, BTW.)

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions

walk him, better

yet plunk him. we need this game don't mess around.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

Jeez

He hammered that one. No doubt.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

damn it hell

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Damn it!

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Aug 30, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

looks like a sweep is in the cards here.

The Mets' luck -- or their grit and resolve, if you prefer -- is absolutely terrible right now. This team needs to turn things around in a hurry, just for the sake of its own psychology.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

where the fuck is delgado going

This is the most frustrating first place team ever.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh good

Now DeFelice gets to lead off the 3rd. Wouldn't want to clear the 8th place hitter or anything.

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

This series is a nightmare

Why can't you just stay near the bag?!...All this discussion about last night's play has led me to believe that baseball rules are extraordinarily vague and need to be more concise so that the umpires aren't a factor on every play like that.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions

some things are just judgements

in all sports.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

But it seems like too many things in baseball are judgment calls: interference, obstruction, whether the pitcher was intentionally throwing at the hitter/warnings, whether the hitter was really trying to get out of the way of a pitch, etc. etc. There needs to be a more efficient way of calling those things.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

gah

Burrell is killing us

F the Liberty Bell!

I think that should be Amazinavenue's new motto.

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions

everytime hear the damn bell

i want to blow it up

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

The wheels have officially come off.

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Aug 30, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions

pinch-hit in the 4th

This desperation managing is going to end up being what costs the Mets the game today. Memo to Willie: you shouldn't pinch-hit after three innings when you have no way of assembling 6 innings of decent relief pitching.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions

Lastings!

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Normally I agree

but he's raising the ante and forced Charlie to make a move with his crappy pen.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

And it's not like Duque was pitching well. Plus, the Mets haven't had a real really in about a week. If he lets Duque hit and that rally ends, most fans would be killing him. He has to do what he can to get as many runs as possible here.

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Sele, Heilman, then Wagner

3 IP, 2 IP, 1 IP.
What have we got to lose?

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

agree

f this whole series. im offically giving up as i have work to do and cannot be spazzing out anymore about these series from hell.

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

What have we got to lose?

I don't know, the game? Obviously, I'd be a fool to make a big deal of this particular tactical blunder, when this slumping, stumbling Mets team finds a new way to get beat every day. But Sele-Heilman-Wagner's failure to pitch 6 innings of shutout ball is not exactly unforeseeable here.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Wright

Davey has been solid through this slump.

He will have to lead them back to sanity. Or at least playing decent baseball.

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

I will relaly miss this series when its over

Like i miss having the clap

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions

lmao

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Can I get a "HELL YEAH!"?

This is the Mets I remember.

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Aug 30, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions

HELL YEAH !!!

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Ditto

HELL YEAH!

Comon Gado!

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Ooh...

JUST missed it. Lets keep it going.

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions

Tie game !!!!

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions

Man

D-Dub is on his game today. What a player he is.

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

God hates the Mets.

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

cut him

cut sele

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions

DFA Sele

Show could do this. Use his spot to bring up Adkins.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions

no point

Besides (justly deserved) revenge and punishment, there's no point to this move -- rosters are about to expand. What would help, and I think it's really the only thing, is for someone with a clue about bullpen usage and pinch-hitting tactics to make up a crib sheet for Willie, and force him to stick to it and ignore his "instincts." I like Willie a lot, but he's terrible at this.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Sele is the long man

when your starter gives you 4 you use the long man no?

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

sure

Sele was the right guy to pitch after making the decision to pull Hernandez. Duque had 67 pitches after 3 innings and has a long track record of settling down in the middle innings after a shaky start.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

you needed to score runs there

you're down 5-0. LMillz did the job there. I can't kill that move.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow

EVERYTHING has gone right for the Phillies today, aside from the Beltran dribbler. This is killing me...time to wash my cars.

by Mikeybags84 on Aug 30, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

finally!

This is the Philly bullpen I was expecting to see three days ago.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

WOOT !!!

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

alright!

The good guys are getting some breaks now.

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

oh man, that feels good.

9-8 on a really dumb Philly error. Can something finally be going our way?

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions

meltdown inning

They're pen blows chunks. They make ours look good. This is Mota like work.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

WOW

by Simons on Aug 30, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

Willie isn't screwing around

Billy for 6 outs.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions

wha?

i thot that was the 9th! this blows!

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

jesus christ

i said i didnt need to spend all day spazzing about another game. END IT NOW.

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

This game

Even following on Yahoo this game is driving me nuts.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 30, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions

Following on CBS Sportsline at work

Does anyone know why Feliciano pitched THREE innings? If he could throw 44 pitches effectively he'd be a starter - the 8th should've been Heilman's.

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

sportsline is all effed up

wagner pitched the 8th and 9th. i dont know whats going on with it tho. im seeing the same nonsense.

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

That makes more sense

Although I still don't get why Heilman didn't pitch in the 8th.

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Feliciano

Unless I'm reading this wrong, Feliciano pitched two innings, not three. Why? I would suggest it would be because one of the few guys in the bullpen who doesn't suck ass.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 30, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I can't believe this shit

I just got home and couldn't believe the score.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions

Same here King

Been listening to the game all day. Wags blew another save.

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions

Way to completely fall asleep

and take Werth for granted. After he stole second, why wouldn't you at least step off or throw to second?

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

make it stop!

I am tempted to go do something more pleasant with my time, like self-mutilation.

Can we please see more Castro and less of Mr. Piazza-arm from now on?

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

LoDuca

is fucking incompetent behind the plate. Why can't we find a catcher who can throw?

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 30, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

I believe

That if we lose today, you can kiss the atlanta series goodbye. No one in that locker room will recover from this one.

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions

WHY

IS NO ONE WARMING UP????????

by metsexile on Aug 30, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions

who??

Mota or Heilman?

ah, fuck...

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Game

Set and match gentlemen.

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions

thank god

Honestly, I'm glad we didn't get to extra innings here. Willie made a decision I can live with, for once, that this was Wagner's game to lose.

by anonymous on Aug 30, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.

by metsexile on Aug 30, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

This team is so bad right now.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 30, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions

We thought

That the june-july whatever debacle was the low point of the season. Welcome to the breaker guys.

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Stomach punch game.

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

Remember, everyone:

There are lots of people who care about you. Think about how your loved ones would feel if you went through with it. Think about your future.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Aug 30, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

70 years

Ahead of my life don't seem worth this game/.

by NewMet5 on Aug 30, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Heh

Well played.

I know it's not really his style, but I think it's time for Willie to bash some fucking heads.

by Josh @ Amazin' Avenue on Aug 30, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

if im going down

im taking philly, and atlanta while im at it, with me.

by kendynamo on Aug 30, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah well

This will just make the Mets division victory that much more exciting. Right? RIGHT?!

I hate baseball.

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions

yeah

It will make the next month more interesting.

We'll get to see if this team has any fire in their bellies.

by citimetro on Aug 30, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

No Bold Predictions Here...

But this team will be out of first place by the end of the weekend. All the hype about this series with Philly was typical Mets bullshit.
"We need to show everyone who the best team in the division is." What a crock. You went to Philly, sleepwalked through the series and got your asses kicked. Plain and simple. No fire, no passion, no nothing. I am so sick of this fucking team.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -Dean Vernon Wormer

by blindbernard on Aug 30, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions

At least they finally scored some runs

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Look

its hard to say they slept walked through the last 3 the first game yeah. By this time Sunday it be nice if we have just finishing pillaging Atlanta Sherman style

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by DoctorK16 on Aug 30, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Atlanta

I'd love a nice sweep this weekend. Just doesn't seem like this team is ready to play in a place where we've always had problems.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -Dean Vernon Wormer

by blindbernard on Aug 30, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

And another Thing

Is anyone else sick of seeing Delgado, Wright, Reyes, etc., smiling and giggling with the Philly catcher or baserunners when they come to the plate or in the field. I'm not saying you have to have a funeral face at all times, but it's a little sickening to see all this fucking jocularity when you are being torched by a so-called rival.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -Dean Vernon Wormer

by blindbernard on Aug 30, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions

That doesn't bother me

Everyone doesn't have to be serious and stoic to play at their best. In fact, some players play better when they're loose. Reyes and Wright are excellent players and - this year aside - Delgado is too. If they feel that joking around with the opposing team doesn't hurt their play, then I'm fine with it.

by ams258 on Aug 30, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Venting

I'm just venting. Probably wouldn't bother me if we had taken 3 out 4. I guess it just seems like there's no sense of urgency with this team. Pardon the horrible cliche.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -Dean Vernon Wormer

by blindbernard on Aug 30, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions