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by gersch3 on Aug 5, 2007 11:43 PM EDT Comment 10 comments

SO I got to watch a new Mets mile stone tonight.With a great group of fans on the thread. Tom Glavine got his 300 tonight. I am sooooo happy for him. I love being a METS fan as heart breaking as it can be. But hey Ya Gotta Believe. Which I do every game we win or loose.

gersch3
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Chesapeake, VA

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We got to watch history tonight

And as great as it was to watch a Mets player reach it, it's even greater to think that it may not ever happen again for anyone. I kept my 3 year old son up watching it with me. He won't remember this, but I'll be able to tell him he watched a piece of baseball history unfold. Plus, he learned how to say "Del-gado" haha.

aka Rob (I should've picked a shorter "handle")

by The Irresistable Force on Aug 5, 2007 11:48 PM EDT reply actions

300

Its sad to think that Tom may be the last. I hope he isnt. I am a Mets fan, but I am a basball fan 1st. I want to see more join the 300 club.

My son is starting to watch games with me now, he did fall out befor the end of the game tonight, little guy is only 7 years old. Ha ha ha.
But he loves the Mets like his Mommie does. He is gearing up to play fall baseball. I am so excited for him. It is so hard not to be the pushy baseball Mom, but I want him to play and keep it fun for him as long as I can.

Tonight he learned the names of the Mets coaches and what they do. I love teaching my son about the game and I am his bigest fan and he is with out a doubt my most favorite baseball player.

by gersch3 on Aug 6, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

300

I have a hard time believing Glavine will be the last ever. In the current stable, Randy Johnson is a dark horse if he is able to return from back surgery. Too, we have no idea what the future holds for pitching. The art and the arsenal of a pitcher has evolved over the past hundred years, and it will continue to change as we move forward.

With the pool of talent being constantly diluted we may yet see the return of the four-man rotation. Science and medicine have allowed pitchers to remain healthy and successful well into their forties.

Decades from now we may see the emergence of ambidextrous pitchers who are able to pitch twice every turn through the rotation, quite literally doubling their opportunity for ticks in the win column.

Who knows?

by Eric Simon on Aug 6, 2007 12:55 AM EDT reply actions

I agree

I just think that if RJohnson is done, it may be a long time before it does happen again, if at all. But you make good points. An ambidextrous pitcher would be quite fun to watch I think. Not sure if that would ever happen but the possibility is always there. Especially when you consider that Billy Wagner is actually right handed and only learned to throw lefthanded as a teen because of having his right arm broken a couple of times (or so the stories go).

As you say, who knows what the future holds. That's why it's a great sport to watch. There's always things to debate.

Hey gersch3, maybe your son can be the next 300 game winner! I know I'd root for that.

aka Rob (I should've picked a shorter "handle")

by The Irresistable Force on Aug 6, 2007 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Hey

I went back and decided to read blogs from last year and I missed this one. My son is playing spring ball now and yeah I would love to see him win 300. His father was a pitcher for a while who knows if it will run in the family. I hope so, he still oves baseball. His team is 1 & 1 so far. Lets go Mets!

by gersch3 on Apr 15, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree as well

I think it's unwanted paranoia of injury and media hype on the whole situation.

I feel that if you train your arm to throw a little more than it normally does, it will happen. Who knows, if we do go back to the 4-man rotation, we could be looking at a pitcher NEVER going past the 6th inning, but still being able to get the W every time.

Although personally, I'd rather see shutouts and complete games than 300 game winners. I doubt we'll ever see guys take no hitters and perfect games into extra innings like Pedro did with the Expos because managers rely so much on the pen.

I don't know about you, but I believe that when Johan Santana leaves the Twins for presumably a better offensive team (Which one do you think I am hoping for?), I think that he can get 300 even though he's 28 and doesn't have 100 yet. I just see him pitching well into his 40s not for the money or longevity, but because he seems to have a desire to get better at what he's doing.

There's no truth to this and I probably don't even believe it myself, but Roger Clemens may have still been able to throw 95 into his 40s because of the stuff he took or because of all the training he did. I don't see Johan needing to still (not that he really ever has) possess an overpowering fastball to be an effective pitcher. This may be a stretch, but with medicine and what I think Johan is (and I know, he could be the opposite) but I wouldn't be too surprised to see him pitch for 20 more years.

At Johan's age, Clemens had 45 more wins than Santana does now. Of course, Clemens has 51 more wins than 300 so I see it to be perfectly possible.

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Aug 6, 2007 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Johan

And Johan's out pitch is a change up rather than a dominating fastball (although he can throw mid 90's) or an offspeed pitch that would put a strain on his arm. But yeah, anything can happen. It'll be fun to watch him become one of the greats.

aka Rob (I should've picked a shorter "handle")

by The Irresistable Force on Aug 6, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

You hear a lot

about how players nowadays have pitch counts and don't finish their games and they go on the DL because they're overpaid pansies and how it's ruined the game of baseball.

However. The reason teams do that is because the vast majority of pitchers can not handle 30-35 CG's throughout their 20's. Yeah, sure, Bob Gibson did it. But he was effectively done by 37 (and truly done by 39). I think over the next 10-15 years, you're going to see a whole lot of pitchers continue to pitch effectively into their 40's. Between modern medicine and better use patterns, pitchers will have less strain on their arms. Sure, you might not have as many wins by age 28, but on the flip side, you'll keep pitching for 6-7 years longer, and if you do it effectively, it'll make up for the lost opportunities.

Also, a lot of teams are realizing that every inning a youngster throws in the minors brings them one inning closer (maybe) to the dreaded injury, so if they can pitch in the majors, they will. You'll start to see guys being brought up younger and younger.

Just my $.02. It might be a while before we get a 300 game winner again, but you never know, and I think we'll have another one.

When asked why I was a Mets fan, I responded, "pain is my lifeblood."

by wrightHOF on Aug 6, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions

Future 300-game winners

Glavine had 153 wins at the end of the year when he was 31; 124 at the end of the year when he was 29; 73 at the end of the year when he was 26.

Tim Hudson is 31 and has 131. Barry Zito and Roy Oswalt are 29 and have 110 and 109 respectively. CC Sabathia is 26 and has 95.

I don't think it's impossible for guys who are pitching now or the near future to reach 300 wins at all; I think it's largely just the media giving themselves something to talk about. Hudson could have 140 by the end of this season; Oswalt could have 115. Oswalt especially is good run support away from being even with Glavine's pace. Sabathia, who was a regular starter for the Indians at just 20, is ahead of Glavine's pace, though obviously still has a loooooooong way to go.

I think the thing is, to win 300 games at this point, you have to stay healthy and pitch for a good team. None of these guys (I'm referring to Maddux and Clemens and Glavine here) would've won 300 games if they hadn't had good run support for a lot of years. There has to be a combination of skill and favorable circumstances.

by Josh on Aug 7, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions

i agree

i think most of us will see another 300 game winner in our lifetime. there have been droughts in betwen 300 winners before and we'll probably see one starting now for a while. but in 20-30 years it may be normal for picthers to start into their 40's and we'll see a whole slew more again.

by kendynamo on Aug 8, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions