Open Thread - Game 162: Mets vs. Marlins (09/30/2007) on CW11

by Eric Simon on Sep 30, 2007 10:54 AM EDT

Tale of the tape:

	Glavine	Willis
ERA	4.14	5.20
FIP	4.78	5.05
K/9	4.01	6.39
BB/9	2.79	3.64
K/BB	1.44	1.76
HR/9	1.04	1.29
WHIP	1.38	1.58
GB/FB	1.14	1.47
BABIP	.287	.328
eBABIP	.334	.337

Que se dillio:

I've been in Saratoga all weekend for a buddy's wedding. There's a lot to say but I don't really want to say anything except this: Just win.

Check out the preview of today's game at Baseball-Reference.com.

The other side of the tracks:

Check out Fish Stripes for discussion of this game from the point-of-view of the opponent.

Follow the game online:

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Just.

Win.
Baby.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Sep 30, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions

Oh Yes

Winning'd be awfully Nice. Lets go boys!

"As for 1966--oy. Chilcott was a catcher who never reached the majors. The number two pick was held by the Kansas City A's. They picked Reggie Jackson"

by NewMet5 on Sep 30, 2007 11:12 AM EDT reply actions

Go get 'em, Tommy!

Ya Gotta Believe!

by ams258 on Sep 30, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions

There are so many possible outcomes, still, on this final day of the season, that my head hurts a little. Therefore, I am secretly hoping for the most confusing possible thing to happen: a four-way tie for the NL East and wild-card spots.

My sense of manthematical symmetry would not be too disturbed if the Phillies just got eliminated, though.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions

ooops

And no, I don't know what "manthematical" means.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

looks like

i picked the wrong week to stop huffing paint thinner

by kendynamo on Sep 30, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions

Glavine

I know he looked bad in his 2 previous starts, but there's nobody I'd rather have start this game (OK, I'd rather have a pitch count-free Pedro start it). I generally don't buy into the "veteran experience" angle, but I just trust Glavine to do this, like he's done it in critical games so many times before for both Atlanta and us.

Godspeed, Tommy.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 12:33 PM EDT reply actions

Janley playing today?

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 12:46 PM EDT reply actions

I hope so

The douchebag's defense could help us today.

Seriously, is there any team the Marlins DON'T try to brawl with?

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Hanley is in the lineup

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Lets Go Mets

Fuck the Marlins and Phillies. Today is about the Mets. Just Win Baby.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply actions

This is exciting

Reminds me of the game against the Pirates on the last day of the '99 season. Let's Go Mets!!!

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 1:08 PM EDT reply actions

YES THE LINEUP!

Was it Milledge and Castro who combined for 3 homers yesterday? Yes, it was.

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

great

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

somebody better be up in that bullpen

early. like right now. Manuel used everybody yesterday as he should. Willie better get somebody up fast

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions

I agree

Actually

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

ouch!

Early returns are not good here -- looks like we may be rooting even harder for the Nationals soon. Marlins are sitting back on Glavine's changeup.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions

Wow

What a quick disaster.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

enough of Keith

with his let sleeping dogs lie bullshit. The Mets just stink. that's the problem

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

Oh man

At least for Tommy we needed him to pitch well. I really hope it doesn't end like this.

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

West isn't giving him the close

pitch. somebody has to get up in bullpen now. Lookin forward to see Glavine in Atlanta

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

Time to pull Glavine

Like, three batters ago.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

Crikey

FanGraphs already up to about 80% for the Marlins.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

bullpen. now.

Let's call a mulligan on Glavine and pretend El Duque started this game (with a 4-run deficit).

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

i have to once again listen to the

shitty marlins announcers.

"OH YEAH! LET ME HEAR SOME LETS GO METS CHANTS NOW!!"

Yeah, that's a quote I've already had to listen to.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

Did he really say that?

What a tool.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah he really did.

I'm not surprised at anything the Marlins announcers say anymore.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

If this were Manual

he would be out of here. Peterson hasn't spoken to it and bullpen just got up.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

This ought to be Tommy last start as a Met

I might get El Duque and even Pedro.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions

you kidding me???

GLAVINE ARE YOU JOKING??? THROWING IN AN ERROR TO BOOT!!!!!!!

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions

he must pull him right now

if he doesn't Willie should be fired right now and why didn't Willie argue on the West's missed pitch count. He clearly made a mistake

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions

memories

of Leiter against Atlanta in 1999

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

Fuck you, Tom Glavine

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

Glavineshouldn't be pitching

to Willis regardless of lefty-lefty

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

how about

philly seeing this score

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

hmm

Anyone have the feeling that there's about to be a WWF wrestling moment where Glavine rips off his Mets uniform, revealing a Tomohawk-stitched "Atlanta" jersey underneath?

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

thank you

If the season ends today, at least it's been entertaining.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

jesus.

Willis RBI HBP. Does that make it obvious enough for you, Willie? Could I draw you a picture?

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

a complete embarrassment

which should be the moniker of the 2007 Mets. Sure glad I don't have to look at Tommy's wife in the stands

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

I agree

We really don't deserve to be in the playoffs, to be frank.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

If this was Humber starting

Randolph would have pulled him after his warmup tosses.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

I don't want him back next year

All of the talk about Proven Veterans and what does the biggest of them all do. Come out and be terrible in the biggest game of the year.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions

He's not going to be back

I just want to be sure that Green, LoDuca, Mota, Sosa, and Sele aren't back either.

Oh yeah, and Randolph too.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

I thinkI was prepared for pretty much anything, but I was not prepared for that...

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions

Everyone chill out

Do you really hate Glavine that much?

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

yeah I'm done with him

If he wants to pitch go and pitch for Atlanta. He shat on the field in an excusable way today IMO.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats ridiculuous

So since he sucked today you think it's an Atlanta Brave conspiracy?

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions

of course I don't think it's a conspircy

He's not that good and his egg he layed against the Nationals help forced this game. What a joker. I don't want him here next year at all.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Glavine should have been

out after 4th run scored. He clearly didn't have it and wasn't getting it back Willie was fucking sleeping

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

agreed.

There was every reason to give him the benefit of the doubt for a few batters, and see if he could find his stuff and his location. The benefit of the doubt ended, at the very latest, after Matt Treanor's walk. That was the moment for the hook to come out.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

If he gets Uggla out

we have a chance

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions

Lets go guys... it aint over yet.

We still have to have our at bats.

Now we can see what we are made of.

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

so that could be glavine's last pitch

nice way to end a career.

by kendynamo on Sep 30, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

he'll be back

I don't think Tom's giving up. But yeah, I hope not with the Mets.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions

and... that's it.

Let's go Nationals. The Mets are not anyone's wild card this year.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

a complete disgrace

I'm watching the Jets and this is my last post possibly forever. I will not root for this stupid team unless they make wholesale changes and fire Willie. I've had enough

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

I never knew the Marlins were so tough.

Agghhh.....

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

allow me to ask:

Why Sosa, for God's sake? Duque has to be fresh. Or use a short reliever to get out of the inning.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

sosa is the shot

reliever to get out of the inning. We'll see Duque to start an inning.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

Should have been clearer. By "short reliever" I meant to say "someone who can actually prevent inherited runners from scoring." That is, not Sosa but Heilman, Feliciano, or Wagner.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously

what the fuck is this. It's terrible even watching on gameday at work, I'm only glad i'm not watching this garbage on tv

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 30, 2007 1:38 PM EDT reply actions

dumbfounding

it was literally unbelievable, insofar as I did not believe what my eyes were telling me.

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I am told

That the score is 7-0 Marlins, but my brain is not computing this.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions

The Jets are my #1 priority

right now. I'm not wasting another perfectly good day sick to my stomach from the way this team is playing. I didn't even get to watch yesterday's game. This team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs. Hopefully the Nationals can win, and this miserable season will be extended another day.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions

I am trying to think

How many years have to go by before we live this down...

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions

stats

On Sept 13, there was a 99.8% chance of the Mets making the playoffs.

So about 500 years should do it.

(Yeah, there's a bit of slop in the stats, but a long, long time, anyway.

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

It's just unbelievable.

The Phils game has started AND THEY are like "The Marlins are still up???"

I'll just root for the Phils. We have no right to go the playoffs. Hopefully this disaster will make the Mets play next year not like they deserve everything. Maybe they will actually fight.

Soprry, Glavine. Just like Trachsel last year, you just can't comback.

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 1:41 PM EDT reply actions

lame

I'm a Met fan even til the bitter fuck end. Yeah I'm mad and disappointed. But this is still my team.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

it's just the frustration talking

No one would seriously change their allegiance because their still-very-good team flopped its way out of a playoff spot. Not after suffering through the earlier parts of this decade. We can't get spoiled that quickly, and our memories aren't really that short.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Reyes swinging at ball 4 there

is kinda micro-cosmic.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

yeah

he worked a full count, then it looked like he was swinging no matter what or where the pitch was.

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Gary just said

Only 3rd time in Mets history that they've given up 7 runs in the first inning.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions

wow

And I guess I'd be Captain Obvious if I suggested that this might be the worst start in the career of future hall of famer Tom Glavine.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't want wholesale changes

Other than Randolph getting the axe, I'm happy with the core of the team and the front office. The only major move I'd like to see them attempt is asking Minnesota for Johan Santana. I think a rotation of Santana, healthy Pedro, Maine, Perez, and whoever would be unstoppable.

But Randolph has to go and be replaced with someone who can actually keep the team's head in the game. I honestly think Philadelphia scared them into this tailspin, and nobody was there to get them thinking straight again.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions

'd like to see Minaya replaced

With someone less anti-intellectual and with a greater appreciation for modern basebally analysis.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

You can't be serious

How do you know Omar is anti-intellectual.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd also like to see

Myself not use words like 'd and basebally.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

this seems silly to me

I don't really care if he's "anti-intellectual" as long as he makes smart moves -- he doesn't have to be a literary critic. The guy still has made some great deals for this club (consider Maine, Perez, and Duque all being the fruits of his trades).

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

what?

Minaya might not be Bill James, but he ain't Ned Colletti either. If he himself isn't an expert on sabermetrics, someone who is definitely works in that office, and Omar listens to him. Some of Minaya's moves have definitely come from a stats-oriented angle.

Everyone needs to take a step back and a deep breath. On opening day, 2005, if I had told you the Mets would win 97 and 88 games in 2006 and 2007, who here wouldn't have taken that to the bank? That's what the Minaya-led front office has given us. Remember, it was 3 short years ago the Mets traded Scott Kazmir in the midst of a 71-91 season.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Alright

Maybe I'm being a bit unfair, but stuff like this always rankled me:

Though Minaya, at 46, is of the same generation as Beane and other avatars of the G.M.-as-dispassionate-systems-analyst trend, he's a throwback to baseball's traditional, almost romantic player-evaluation methods. Minaya won't dictate game strategy to Randolph, and he won't draft players based on moneyball algorithms.
"I trust my eyes and my instincts and my experiences," Minaya says. "I've been fortunate to be surrounded early on by a lot of pretty good young players. It brings me a lot of memory recall. When I see a kid, I think of an Ivan Rodriguez. I think of a Juan Gonzalez or a Sammy Sosa or a Kevin Brown."

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

fair enough

But I think he's also got guys in his front office that don't think that way, and they probably prevent a lot of groupthink. You really can't argue with the results of a lot of his moves. He turned Kris Benson and Xaiver Nady into Hernandez, Perez, and Maine.

I just think it would be very unwise to blow up a good team over a bullpen meltdown in September. I think Randolph needs to go because he has no positive attributes as a manager, and I didn't think the guy was any good even when the Mets were running away with it last year.

The Red Sox didn't fire Theo Epstein after a disasterous collapse last year, nor did they make any other knee-jerk moves. Look where they are today.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I admit I missed

This SI piece from this summer - more heartening:

Unschooled in the statistical-analysis approach to talent evaluation that the young Moneyball G.M.'s love? Meet Ben Baumer and Adam Fisher, O's young numbers geeks. "Don't choose one or the other -- field guys or stat guys," cries O. "Choose both! Listen to what the church and the Commies say! Know what I'm sayin'?"

Go commies!

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

That's what I was referring to when I said that he probably has guys that prevent groupthink.

FWIW, I think the best way to run a team is to augment a sabermetrics approach with good scouting. The recent success of the Twins and A's (this year notwithstanding) suggests that both approaches can and do work.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

Always foolish to assume someone has a monopoly on the truth when it comes to something which is inherently so difficult to predict (ie, baseball talent), no matter what tools you're using.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

IMO

today is not about Willie it's about the weak ass Glavine, blame 47 for today.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

what the living crap?

How did Castillo fail to score there?

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions

it was a smart play

If he runs they could tag him or force a run down.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

Slow-moving ball down the third-base line - sort of tricky for Castillo (who doesn't run well) to avoid being the target of the play if he tries to run there.

by DavidNYC on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey listen, If we've learned anything

from 1986, it's that you can't give up until it's all over, which this one still isn't. And the Phils are perfectly capable of losing today too, so toughen up, mi amigos.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions

Yer right...

Yer totally right, bud...but, the alarming thing is "Why win?" If we're gonna play like this...why win?

Think about it. You were given 7 home games against all terrible teams. You win 3 and you win the East. You win 2 you tie. We have won 1 and fell behind 7-0 because the legendary Tom Glavine couldn't get more than an out.

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

It's always darkest, Z

right before the train hits you.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

come on, big inning

The Mets' bats still have a shot to at least make this interesting.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions

Its our trusted veterans again

I am glad that we can put that idea to rest Willie

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions

Delgado hurt

Perfect -- now we can literally take a beating, too.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:52 PM EDT reply actions

Castro and Millidge

Back to Back HRs

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:52 PM EDT reply actions

The Marlins announcers are complaining.

Yes, with a six run lead, they are complaining that C.B. missed the call.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

Which one, the phantom ball on Hanley?

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

both of them.

Hanley and Delgado.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Channeling the positive vibes...

hmmmmmanannna.... hummmannaaaaa....

Go Yard Castro

by Daktari on Sep 30, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

errrr

almost there

Don't worry, they got to Willis, they can get to him again. They've got 8 innings left.

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

sonofa...

Man, Castro came close to making this a ballgame again.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 1:55 PM EDT reply actions

UGH!

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:55 PM EDT reply actions

Message sent, however.

We're still playing this game. We're not going to roll over like the Cardinals did in game 7 against KC. The Joaquin Andujar game they lost like 15-0, if any of you are familiar. I think it was like 1985 or thereabouts.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

we rolled over

by gogomets on Sep 30, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I know I've said it a couple of times already.

But I hate these announcers. Now they're sucking Jimmy Rollins dick.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions

Lets put pedro in to see if we can

ruin his arm for next year!

If somehow we end up in a playoff game @ philly who here really thinks we can beat them anyway.

Mets should cut their losses and regroup for next year. With every passing day we look more and more like idiots.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

I still believe

we can win this game and win tomorrow it comes to that.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm with you Doc.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

If the Phillies lose

and we beat them tomorrow, it is going to BLOW to be a Phillies fan. They've got us right where they want us, and to not knock us out would be just as pathetic as us almost blowing that monumental lead.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed.

Their chances might not be as great now as before the first inning, but this team is easily capable of chasing Willis early and fattening up on the Marlins' bullpen. And anything can happen in a one-game playoff with the Phils.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

fittingly

Jimmy Rollins scores the 1st run of the game in Philly. Phils up 1-0.

BTW, fuck praying for another Nationals win to keep us alive. I want the Mets to win this game.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

Jeff Conine?

So we've given up, then?

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

sorry

Sandy Alomar. Question still applies.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Conine is in the game already

Delgado had to leave the game.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not giving up.

I hope those of you who are follow that thought if the Mets rally and go become Yankees or Phillies fans or whatever you want.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

Dont worry Tom were not mad at you!

All of our pitching sucks anyway.........in fact if marlins dont score at least 3 more this game we should be thankful.

Maybe Willie can go out and convince Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver to come back next year.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions

speak for yourself

I, for one, am mad at Glavine. Sure, bad luck can cause any pitcher's stuff to mysteriously disappear for a start or two. But if anyone should know how to gut his way through an inning or three without his best stuff -- in the one most crucial game he's pitched all year -- it's the supposed big-game veteran Glavine. But instead, he really fucked us this time.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

he needed to gut it out. Look what Pedro did faced with similar situation on Thursday he did what he had to do to keep the Mets in the game. Tommy didn't do that. It was a gutless performance IMO.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

So what are you saying,

that Tommy's finished? I can't imagine he'd like to go out like that. I think he's a servicable #3 pitcher still, despite his poor performance down the stretch this year. He's just not an "ace" and probably never really was one, for us anyway. I see Pedro as a solid #2. With Maine and Perez as 4 and 5, we're still lacking that true ace.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think he's done

But I think he's headed for a series of overvalued one-year deals and service in the back of a rotation. I'm hoping the Mets cut their ties with him now.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

And replace him with who, exactly?

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Pelfrey or Humber

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

ideally Santana

or another good starter acquired through trade. Failing that, I think an upgraded bullpen behind Humber/Pelfrey/etc could work for a year (or until a midseason trade). The starting rotation hasn't been this team's biggest problem so far, and Glavine isn't providing much more than back-of-the-rotation filler innings.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

That's a little rough,

considering Glavine's numbers this year. He's not in Trachsel territory quite yet. Pelfrey and Humber have yet to prove that they're ready, and if we're to get Santana in a trade, I'd imagine we'd be sending one if not both of them to Minnesota.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

As well as

some hitters. They're probably waiting to see what'll happen with Torii Hunter first.

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 30, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

No it was Willie who fucked us

we were ignorant to the fact that our relief pitching has more miles on them than the Bunny ranch.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Here's a weird thing.

It's so unusual to see the Mets playing from behind these past 2 years. The only times it's really occurred is in game 7 last year, and these past few days. They gave it a good shot at coming back in the 9th inning last year but fell short, obviously. I guess I'm just rambling at this point but I guess what I'm saying is that we just haven't seen them in the underdog role much at all and so I don't know what to expect from them. It's a test of their gut, I suppose.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

Sosa's line

1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 4 K

You know, if he had only pitched like that in a few high-leverage situations earlier this month....

Whatever, I'm not going to agonize over the blown opportunities. There's nothing that can be done about them.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

Let it be known

that I, TheFlushingKings, am a true fan and have cast my "yes" vote for the poll question. Hooray for loyalty interfering with logic!

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

This is brutal, I have to admit.

So close, so many chances, so many blown opportunities or just straight up bad luck, and I'm just referring to this game.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply actions

Delgado update

Delgado's hand is broken. Even if the Mets make the playoffs, he'll be on the bench, I guess.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

Delgado

broken hand. Done for year as long it is.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

I must admit i've come to expect this

Willis getting a triple, not suprising!

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:23 PM EDT reply actions

He probably tuckered himself out, however.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Hanley spits a good game

but hasn't backed it up today. (And that was an admirable display of maturity in the 1st, sticking his tongue out at the fans.)

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Sep 30, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions

the Marlins blow

I'm sorry, does Hanley or any of the other thin-skinned punks on that team think anyone gives a shit about them? Maybe they should try finishing ahead of Manny Acta's patchwork crew first.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats it Beltran keep trying to hit a home run!

Outs dont mean anything here, we have plenty of them.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions

bases loaded again

Man, do the Mets need a big blow before it gets too late in this game. With the Phillies up 3-0 early, everything hangs on their ability to put up a lot of runs against the Marlins' pen.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

and there it wasn't

More chances may come, but the Mets have already had plenty of runners on base to come out with just one skinny run.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

OK lo duca

try to hit a homer cause we know you a HR hitter!

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

just parenthetically, Willie

Suppose this game ends up going 15 innings by some miracle. Might you not regret using two of your three bench catchers as pinch-hitters in the first three innings?

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

Lo Duca?

Are you fucking serious?

Talkin' Sports

by BlackOps on Sep 30, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions

teh suxx0r

They've stranded almost as many runners as they had runs yesterday.

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

goodbye, Paul

Take your shinguard-throwing temper and your .650 (or whatever) OPS somewhere else next year. You'd fit in well with the Marlins' morons.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

hope you're right

Man, am I sick of seeing Lo Duca start rather than someone who can hit.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

lo duca

hot week has pushed his OPS over 700!!! Just stellar.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

OH my mistake........... check swing

instead of HR swing!

We needed neither of those types but I guess we forgot to tell him that.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

meanwhile, down the turnpike

A different soft-tossing 40-something lefty is having himself a nice game. The Nats have 1 hit through the 1st three innings.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

I'd like to see Wright get rid of those

ugly shoes next year.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

I'd like to see Omar get rid of those

ugly Mets next year

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Nats got a run.

In case anyone cares. Still 3-1 Philly.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

Showenweis, man, that guy is awesome.

I hope we keep him the next couple of years.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions

totally

Somebody, quick, get his agent on the phone about a multi-year deal.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

wait, hold the phone

Sure hope we didn't sign any papers on that deal yet...

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

seriously

Don't look now, but the Mets gasoline-can bullpen is pitching nicely here. It's a shame that the starting pitching was less than stellar.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm gonna be doing both if they can come back.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Jose getting boo'd.

Wowee. It's not like his head hasn't been up his own arse for the last month.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes we love you to

Its the bullpens fault!

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions

(things) I love Reyes to

I'd love him to:

stop hitting the ball in the air
learn to take a walk
learn when not to steal a base
run out every ball

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

And keep his head in the game on defense.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

15 outs left to the season

3 hits thru 4 aint gonna cut it.

It'll be interesting to see who takes the blame this offseason, usually its not who it should be.

by sincethebeginning @ Amazin' Avenue on Sep 30, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions

For the trivia question

I'm going with Rick Wise.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions

No wait, Steve Carlton.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Jason Jennings

I think

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by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I've said it before

Ugueth Urbina

Don't blame us if we ever doubt ya, you know we couldn't live without ya

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 30, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Never mind

That made no sense. I gotta really participate when the conversations are actually going on...

Don't blame us if we ever doubt ya, you know we couldn't live without ya

by The Irresistable Force on Sep 30, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Leaving men on...

I ran out of fingers counting how many runners LOB.

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions

wtf

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

Omar should start

cutting up Show's contract and grabbing some sauce and water to make it go down easier. This guy can't be on the team next year.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

That's awfully charitable that you want him

to eat the contract. I was going to suggest administering it as a suppository.

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Real teams...

Should be noted the other teams who see the importance of today are playing well. Padres up 3, Phils up 2, Rockies through the top of the 1st.

I feel bad being this bitter since the Mets would otherwise be playing a 1-1 game and the bullpen has pitched very well...all we're lacking is clutch hits with runners on.

Glavine even added the error.

I'm still in shock.

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

Let's be honest...

We really need to try to move Beltran. For the money we're paying, he doesn't give us the bat we need when we need the big hit. Anyone who accuses A-Rod of soft numbers (except for this year) is dreaming if you think Beltran does much for us. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single big hit Beltran provided us.

OK, one. Game 1 of the Champ series last year. That's it.

In the end, resigning Glavine is ncessary, despite my white hot anger at him right now.

CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!

by ZaBlanc on Sep 30, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions

You crazy.

No way the Mets would ever move Beltran. I don't know if you've taken note of the contracts that other OF got in the offseason last year, but Beltran is a relative bargain at this point.

Watch me paste this pathetic palooka with a powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.

by Mr. Met on Sep 30, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

this is crazy talk

Beltran is such an asset that teams would be lining up to deal top prospects to get him at full price. He's among the top 10 or 20 in the league in VORP and plays well at a premium defensive position. He is one of the three or four core young/in-prime players for the Mets to put the rest of the team together around (for me, those are Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine, Perez).

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

no

Anyone who accuses A-Rod of soft numbers is being ridiculous, and the same goes for Beltran.

Carlos is an extremely valuable player, and he had a great postseason last year when pretty much everyone else (expect Delgado) couldn't hit Jeff Weaver or Jeff Suppan.

Again, I beg my fellow rational Mets fans who post here to step away from the ledge and take a deep breath and look at the big picture when considering what the Mets need to do this offseason.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Just because it's bothering me...

...up and down this thread.

ZaBlanc signature line:

"CAN SOMEONE TEACH BELTRAN HOW TO GET A GOD D***ED RBI?!?!"

Carlos Beltran RBIs:

1999 - 108
2000 - 44
2001 - 101
2002 - 105
2003 - 100
2004 - 104
2005 - 78
2006 - 116
2007 - 112

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Oct 1, 2007 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions

FWR

Today's update: too slow with the hook for Proven Veteran Glavine while he screws the pooch, and goes straight to gas-can Sosa when the few trustworthy short-relief guys in the pen are perfectly ready to go (because of course they're the "late-inning" guys in Willie's head, no matter this game was basically lost before the Mets came to bat). Then somehow he managed to get only an inning of work out of El Duque while pushing Schoeneweis as far as he could go.

There are only two possible positions here:

IF you don't believe in team psychology, Willie needs to get shit-canned for his abysmal tactics.
If you believe in team psychology, Willie needs to get shit-canned for this team's pathetic choke and its obviously inattentive, unmotivated play.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

I believe Willie should be shitcanned for both the tactical and psychological reasons you listed.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

MOTA?

For fuck's sake, Randolph, do you still expect a better result this time out? I cannot believe the Mets are going to lose their final few innings of baseball this entire motherfucking year -- the last fucking chance of all -- with Heilman and Wagner sitting idle.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions

and into the 8th

Seriously, you have 6 outs remaining in the season, and your two best relievers are sitting down while you try to squeeze another inning out of a recovering roid-head who's been ineffective almost every time out?

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions

can't use your closer now!

It's too early!!!

I think Randolph learned his bullpen management from Joe Torre who preferred to have Jeff Weaver lose Game 4 of the 2003 World Series than let Mariano Rivera pitch in a tie game.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions

if there's a supreme

being that was Mota last inning as a Met

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

meanwhile

Phillies up 5-1.

Milwaukee is coming back against San Diego, but that only matters if the Mets win anyway.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

Jimmy Rollins

A 2-out triple to drive in a run and make it 5-1.

I salute you, Jimmy Rollins. You talked the talk and walked the walk all year long, and especially against the Mets.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

4th Times the charm.

Fuck you Marlins' announcers. You are by far the worst announcers I have ever heard. Possibly worse than the Braves.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions

the bullpen

You know the bullpen that cost us like eleventy-billion games this season? It has allowed 1 run in 8 IP today. Sounds about right.

Washington down to their last 3 outs.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions

It's over.

Well, we are going to have a lot of time to chew over and discuss the reasons for this massive disappointment and how next year's team can be fixed. I will only say this right now, to those of you who are left here: this is how it feels to be a Mets fan. Remember that, and remind our fair-weather friends when you see them in the spring.

by anonymous on Sep 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions

Welp.

....yeah you pretty much said it.

EAMUS METROPOLIS!

by pingel on Sep 30, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

yep

I think I have visions of Andrew Jones running to first base. On to 2008.

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

the masses are unbowed.

I wore my cap on the bus all week and the vast majority of feedback was positive and gritty. People knew that is was do or die, but they knew the 2007 team were underperforming.

Also, Yankee fans are truly uncouth and reprehensible swine, every single one.

Is it really 5 months til Spring training?

by citimetro on Sep 30, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

yep, 5 months

trade rumors, new prospects, guys with numbers in the 60s & 70s playing in March...good times

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Philadelphia Phillies

2007 NL East Champions, just as Jimmy Rollins said it would be.

I've prepared myself for this possibility (inevitability?) since Joel Piniero 3-hit the Mets on Thursday, but I'm kind of numb, especially after Maine's dominance yesterday, which got my hopes back up.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions

urrrg

Put it in the books. We own the biggest disgrace ever.

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 30, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

I am coming back just to say

goodbye for the season. Many times I said stupid things and I apologize for that. After over 40 years of watching this team, I have never been disappointed in the NY Mets. There have been many heartbreaks, but this is in a different sphere. I pride myself on respecting people who work hard, try hard and have pride in what they do. For the most part it seems that most of the players on this team don't work hard or have pride. Gary said that Delgado and Pedro have said that the team was so good they often get bored. How can you root for such people. Sports is often a microcosm of life and that's why I love it so much and why it can make a grown man like me cry. This is not a time to say wait until next year, but a time to ponder the lesson of this team and our reaction to them. I will never root for another team and continue to root against the Yankees, but if this team is mostly intact in 2008 I would really be hard pressed to follow them with any sort of passion. Sorry for the length of this post and thanks Eric for your excellent work in putting this together and giving me the opportunity to vent. Have a wonderful off-season everybody

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Sep 30, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

One more thought

If you had to pick the guy to pitch in a do-or-die game at the end of the year, do you pick Tom Glavine, or the legendary Ubaldo Jimenez?

Well, Ubaldo Jimenez has thrown 6 innings of shoutout ball with 1 H, 2 BB, and 10 K in Coors Field (!!!) to keep the Rockies chances alive. They're up 1-0 in the 7th.

Good luck to the Rockies, who never, ever gave up on the season. I hope they win and beat San Diego in the one-game playoff to take the wild card.

Fire Willie Randolph!

by Greenpoint Ian on Sep 30, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions

Glavine

I'm sorry. I really never accepted or felt comfortable with T Glavine being a Met. He's old, un-enthusisastic and still lives in Atlanta. We should have pitched Pedro instead. What a pitiful performance. I'm glad it's finally over. It's been a rough two weeks. Now I can finally get some sleep (well maybe after a couple of days). Goodbye Glavine, your a Brave and will always be one. Your like A-Rod...a jink. Goodbye Delgado, it's been real but your not the same player you used to be. Peterson really needs to go. It's time for a change. CD, I hope your hand heals well. I still like Lo Duca, Reyes, Wright, Castillo, Millege, Green, Beltran, Alou, Gomez, Chavez, Gotay, Castro, Anderson, Maine, Perez, Heilman, Wagner.....even Mota, Falicano, Smith...I don't know there's much talent on tis team. I just can't believe we gave it up but I'm relieved it's over. Now I just have to put up with those scumbag bastard Yankee fans or even worse those fair-weather NY baseball fans who like to root for any NY team. You can't kid me man...I know that they are really asshole Yankee fans. Sour grapes? You bet your ass!
I'm outa here....

I bleed blue and orange

by stjohnthebassist on Sep 30, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions

HEY ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU SUCK!

I guess The Marlins Flushed you bums.

by StrappedYankee on Sep 30, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

go root for your overrated team

and watch them lose in the first round despite out spending everyone by a wide margin you inbred piece of shit

Keep Lastings Milledge Free

by DoctorK16 on Sep 30, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow...douchebag

You really went to the trouble of registering on a Mets site as a Yankee fan, just to make that comment. You really are a waste of life.

"I'm Tim Teufel, let me begin by saying I was once a Twin/I made the move and it feels just right/I've been Metsmerized and I see the light."

by TheFlushingKings on Oct 3, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Fire Willie - start over

Willie must go, but they will kill of peterson just for the sake of saying they did something.

this team is in a world of hurt for next year...need a outfielder, about four to five pitchers, a catcher etc etc.

start over...fire willie first

by Grouchoman on Sep 30, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

Thank goodness its over

Phils:
Thanks for showing us how a real team grinds it out and makes it happen when noone else believes that you can.
And For Manuel for making the tough decisions despite what everyone else things Meyers to closer... Brilliant.

Marlins and Nats:
Thanks for showing us how to have pride, and despite having no chance whatsoever, not mailing it in during the last two weeks.

If Willie learns anything from this season, I hope it is that EVERY FRIGGIN GAME COUNTS. Back in April - JUNE when we blew off games and you gave us that 162 game season stuff... like "it will all work out somehow" is crap. Great teams make it happen. Great Managers inspire their players. You sir, are not a great manager.

by Daktari on Oct 1, 2007 7:17 AM EDT reply actions