More Fish in the Barrel: Fun with the mets.com Mailbag
This week? Not particularly fun, to say the least. The offseason is now officially upon us, free agency filing has begun, and the Reality-Challenged Trade Proposals are about to increase in number while growing even crazier. However, for the Mets fan that writes to Marty Noble, there are more pressing issues to tackle:
I think the Mets should scale back the orange and go back to a more traditional style -- blue and white, very little orange, and also start marketing the "NY" logo a lot more. They should also stop marketing the scripted Mets logo. Enough with that! With all these changes moving into there new home Citi Field, I think it would be a great move to ease the frustrations of the past two seasons. This would show Mets fans -- along with free-agents-to-be -- that Mets ownership is committed to straightening this thing out. What are your thoughts?
-- James S., No location given
I've heard the arguments for and against the black alternate jersey (I tend to lean towards "for"), and I would imagine that I dislike the white jerseys sans pinstripes more than most other Mets fans. But taking the orange out of the Mets' color scheme? That's a new one. I would imagine that the fan who wrote in either isn't aware of the reasons behind the team colors or is a die-hard Brooklyn Dodgers fan who wants to eliminate traces of the Giants from the team's image as the Mets move to Ebbets 2.0 Citi Field.
Next up, we have a really difficult question to ponder:
Is it obvious that the Mets messed up with Scott Kazmir?
-- Fred W., Long Beach, N.Y.
Is the sky blue? Do umpires blow calls? Did you eat some of the candy you bought to give to trick-or-treaters?
That being said, I'm not a big fan of Noble's answer:
Isn't there a statue of limitations on lamenting poor trades? Anyone care to chastise the club for dealing Nolan Ryan? How about for bringing in Marvelous Marv Throneberry? This is a case of "Get over it." The Kazmir trade blew up in the Mets' faces. Victor Zambrano was a quite unremarkable pitcher. But let's move on and find something more recent to lament. Or praise.
So, because a bad trade took place four years ago, we're not allowed to talk about it anymore? As much as I get annoyed by the way a certain subset of the fanbase speaks of Kazmir in tones usually reserved for The Former Significant Other You Wish You Hadn't Dumped, the trade still has an impact on the shape of the team we see on the field, and it's fair to want to talk about the positive and negative aspects of that impact.
We also have two candidates for our Reality-Challenged Trade Proposal of the Week:
What are the chances of the Mets acquiring George Sherrill from the Orioles? I don't think spending so much money for K-Rod will best serve them because so many other areas need to be addressed. Maybe they can package Argenis Reyes, Daniel Murphy and Angel Pagan (I know he's injury prone, but regardless) to get Sherrill and Brian Roberts, and just release Castillo, his four-year contract notwithstanding. Your thoughts?
-- Alvin D., Brentwood, N.Y.
You have mentioned that you doubt the Mets have enough ammunition and would be reluctant to trade for Jake Peavy. What if the Mets were to package John Maine, Fernando Martinez and Shawn Bowman for Peavy? Yes, you lose Maine -- who is still a young and affordable pitcher -- along with your top outfield prospect, but I think Peavy -- who is signed for another five years-- would be a great addition to the rotation. Also, there are a lot of free agents available for the outfield that would be worth signing such as Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn, and Rocco Baldelli.
-- Chris V., Norwalk, Conn.
I think the first trade takes the crazy prize, as the package suggested is probably not enough for Roberts and definitely too much for Sherrill (check out that lovely 5.57 BB/9). Of course, I can't completely dismiss any plan that involves ditching Luis Castillo, so it's got that going for it.
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I'm still lamenting
The Nolan trade, and I wasn’t even a fetus when it happened. Also maybe it’s just me but I’m not sure that package gets you Peavy. I think there’s too many question marks surrounding Maine and F-mart.
by Gina on
Oct 31, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
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Fernando
I hope every other team has a bunch of questions about Fernando Martinez, so that would ensure that we don’t trade him. The bat will translate. I would bet on it. We always forget how truly young he is. He just turned 20 three weeks ago. These minor league guys like Sickels and Callis would be all over Fernando’s love jones if he had put up a good 19 year-old season for some A-ball team. (You know, like Fernando did at 17.)
He’s going to explode this year or next.
by DannyMetsGeek on
Oct 31, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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Kazmir
If we had him, we wouldn’t have Johan, and I’d rather have Johan. And you never know, if Duquette doesn’t make that trade, they might not have brought Omar back, and the ‘06 season likely would have been very different, and maybe not in a good way. Yes, it would be nice if we could have just added Kazmir to the team we’ve had the last 3 seasons, I’m sure he could have helped us get to the World Series in ‘06 and past the Phillies last year and past the Brewers this year. But the fact is, none of us know how things would have gone down if we’d kept Kazmir: maybe they would have kept him in the minors too long and he would have gotten injured. Or, most likely, they wouldn’t have signed Pedro and Beltran and traded for Delgado and done all those other moves, and maybe they’d be a 3rd place team, at best, with a very good young lefty anchoring a mediocre rotation.
Oh, and ditch the black unis.
by cjmulrain on
Oct 31, 2008 9:09 AM EDT
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Agreed
about the black unis. I like associating those with the 99-00 teams and, other than that, I can do without.
As far as Kazmir goes, it will always be a terrible trade. Stupid stupid stupid.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Oct 31, 2008 9:14 AM EDT
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Completely Agree
When I think black unis, I picture robin ventura in one.
I like the solid whites. Have the mets ever gone with no NOB for an extended period of time? as far as I can remember they’ve done it on occasion. What about doing the solid whites with no name? does that scream, “trying to be the yankees” or is it cool?
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on
Oct 31, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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It's too Yankees
I want them to break out the 86 throwbacks more. The stripe on the side is very slimming.
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 31, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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86 throwbacks
would be awesome.
I don’t know if anyone here’s a Giants fan, but I feel the same way about their stupid red jerseys. They are a lame marketing gimmick, and I’d much rather see the team wear throwback mid-80’s uniforms once a season.
by cjmulrain on
Oct 31, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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The two problems I have with the Kazmir trade
1. It was a gross over-estimation of where that team was at that time. The 2004 team was not very good, but was in the race in July because other teams underperformed. This is a trade you make if you are true contender who needs a piece to win now. The 2004 for team was not in that situation.
2. It was made by an Interim GM. It was pretty clear that Duquette was not really the top candidate for the long term. A person in that position shouldn’t have the authority to make such a drastic move. If the Wilpon’s allowed that to happen then they deserve blame too.
I agree that we don’t know what would have happened if Kazmir wasn’t traded. But the fact that the move was made buy a guy who was keeping the seat warm for someone else really burns me.
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 31, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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I agree
I wasn’t trying to defend the trade. I think it’s pretty easily the worst trade in team history (Ryan was traded b/c we had a surplus of pitching and Fregosi was at least an All-Star), and I hate that we made it. But there have been some positive side effects of the trade. Like I said, I don’t know that all the peripheral moves that got us so close to the World Series would have happened if Kazmir was still here. Plus, I think it’s going to make the team more cautious in the future of trading top prospects, which isn’t such a bad thing…
by cjmulrain on
Oct 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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black in the unis is awful
aesthetically i dont really care. im not going to argue which color scheme or pinstriping combo looks better. its just the idea of having black in the logo and uniforms for no other reason than it was a marketing fad of major sports teams in the late nineties who’s sole impetus was to sell more jerseys. ok, the fad is over, lets go back to the traditional colors, enough with the black.
by kendynamo on
Oct 31, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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Kazmir
Considering Kazmir is essentially a 24 year-old multiple All-Star that is still actually pitching and rubbing the trade in our faces, I can see why Noble thinks we should already be over it like the Ryan trade that happened in 1971. Well done by him.
by DannyMetsGeek on
Oct 31, 2008 9:13 AM EDT
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WTF?
"This would show Mets fans — along with free-agents-to-be — that Mets ownership is committed to straightening this thing out. What are your thoughts? "
Yes, the Mets should absolutely do everything they can to straighten things out. You know, fix the bullpen, get a real 2B, all that good stuff.
Wait, hold on, instead, why not just take orange out of the color scheme? That’s gotta be good for five or ten wins easy.
What a bizarre idea.
by JoshNY on
Oct 31, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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you'd be surprised
Look at the Rays. They took the Devil out of their name, and BOOM, they’re in the World Series.
I mean, yea, they added Matt Garza, had great young pitching from Shields and Kazmir, had the Rookie of the Year, and just a solidly built team. But really, when it comes down to it, it was b/c of the name change.
by cjmulrain on
Oct 31, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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