My Projected 2009 Depth Chart/Roster
Acquired By:
Free Agency:
Trade:
SP1: Johan Santana
SP2: Aj Burnett or Derek Lowe
SP3: Mike Pelfrey
SP4: John Maine
SP5: Jon Niese
Long Reliever: Brian Stokes
Lefty Specialist: Brandon Lyon
Righty Specialist: Kevin Gregg
Middle Reliever: Joe Smith
Middle Reliever: Luis Ayala
Setup: Juan Cruz
Closer: Brian Fuentes
Catcher: Bengi Molina
First Base: Carlos Delgado
Second Base: Orlando Hudson
Third Base: David Wright
Shortstop: Jose Reyes
Left Field: Eric Byrnes
Center Field: Carlos Beltran
Right Field: Ryan Church
Bench:
Brian Schiender
Argenis Reyes
Nick Evans or Daniel Murphy
Endy Chavez
Angel Pagan
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eh
i agree with some of that, some not so much.
apparently im the only one who has faith in dan murphy @ 2b. you back him up by resigning damion easley or a jerry hairston-type and if murphy really can’t cut it then you run a semi-platoon. i love hudson but i hate that we’d need to offer a big 4yr deal for the 2nd year in a row to a 2B. save the money and go with murphy.
i definitely agree with trading casitllo for eric byrnes. i then hope byrnes gets it going this year and i instantly trade him for valuable pitching and open a spot for fernando (tatis and martinez). if they won’t bite, you MUST go after milton bradley and see if he’ll take a 2 yr deal.
i agree about going after d. lowe, but not burnett who is always overrated because of his stuff. i’d target 1 of the following with 3 yr contracts, in this order: o. perez, lowe, dempster. then bring in a vet to battle niese, sergio mitre/randy wolf/brian moehler,etc
you’d have to resign ayala but i wouldn’t hate that as long as hes not the closer. i also lover the idea of juan cruz but i think a lot of teams will. no point in signing lyon and gregg as righty and lefty specialists when we already have smith and feliciano. but i agree that fuentes is a better option than k-rod, taking contracts into consideration. however, i feel we put together a package of heilman, parnell and evans or carp and try to get jj putz over here. trade schoeneweis for any kind of minor league arm, good or not.
no need for molina, schneider/castro were fine this year. they weren’t great but both were hurt. and honestly that wasn’t the problem with thsi team, no point in wasting more money.
by robcast23 on
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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I have faith in Murphy
I don’t have faith in Omar allowing Castillo to become a backup after giving him a 4 yr. $26mil(?) contract. Nor do I have faith in him being able to find a taker for the contract unless the Mets eat a significant portion of it.
Manuel was able to get away with not playing Castillo because of injuries. But if he is relatively healthy, he will likely be the starting 2B next year.
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 6, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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we'll see
I think injuries handcuffed Manuel a fair amount with regards to roster/lineup decisions this season (lack of Valentino Pascucci notwithstanding); if we get everybody healthy and Murphy learns to play 2B, I’m willing to give Jerry the benefit of the doubt that he’ll run the team as a meritocracy until I’ve seen otherwise. (I genuinely believe that especially once Easley was hurt, there really wasn’t any better option than starting Castillo at 2B.)
by JoshNY on
Oct 6, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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I hope you are right
Do you know if he is going to play winter ball? And if so, is he going to play 2B?
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 6, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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I remember reading...
in some article, but I can’t remember which, that Murphy would play 2B in the Arizona fall league.
by JoshNY on
Oct 6, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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You are asking for a lot of change in the bullpen
Especially considering that 5 of the 6 current middle relievers are under the Mets control next year. Why sign Lyon as a LHP specialist when you have Feliciano and why trade for Gregg as a RHP specialist when you have Smith? They are both effective when limited to specialized roles. Who is taking Sanchez, Heilman, and Schoeneweis off your hands and what are you getting back? Schoeneweis is the only one I would dump. I would want some value in return for the others.
I’m not saying the bullpen doesn’t need an overhaul. I just don’t think that much change is likely given the contract status of the players that are here.
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 6, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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a couple of comments...
Bengie Molina drove in 95 runs this year and you’d almost certainly have to overpay to get him in a trade. Plus he’s older than either of the catchers we have. I’ll pass – robcast23 is right, we’re fine with Castro and Schneider (but I’d prefer to see Castro used more often).
Eric Byrnes sucks. He had a career year in 2007 (where the hell did 50 steals come from?) but that’s unlikely to happen again. A 33-year-old corner outfielder with a career OPS+ of 97 is a liability, not an asset. Bradley had a phenomenal year but he’s kind of a nutjob and played mostly DH so I’m not exactly sure how I feel about the idea.
Brandon Lyon would be a good pickup. His career splits are almost dead even (RHB .792 OPS, LHB .785 OPS) and his value is likely to be depressed because he had a down year in ERA and hits allowed, even though his K:BB numbers were fine. It looks like he was victimized by some bad luck – his BABIP against this season was .355, which seems high even though his line drive rate was a mediocre 22.3%. Could be had on the cheap, seems like a good “buy low” candidate.
by JoshNY on
Oct 6, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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consider
understood, hes not going to be what he was in ‘07. but his career lines suggest he’ll do something like .260, 20hrs, 30sbs (with very few cs) and play pretty good D. not to mention that hes a righty bat thats usually beat up lefties. stick him 6th behind ryan church and thats a pretty good fit. plus i like what he brings in terms of energy and clubhouse chemistry.
but more important than any of that, the real reason to get him, if he allows us to rid ourselves of 3 more years of castillo you HAVE to do that. we’re not going to get many opportunities to deal castillo, let alone for a player who could actually become a very usable part. of the 2 of them, who is more likely to bounce back this year? definitely byrnes. and then who knows, if fernando can get off to a good start, let byrnes build up his trade value, deal him to a contender and plug in fmart. same goes if byrnes gets hurt.
as far as bradley, we should be thankful for that bad rep, its the only reason we’d be able to sign him to a reasonable contract. i’m thinking 2 years, $25mil. again, short-term means space for fernando eventually. as far as his temper, part of me kind of thinks this team needs that, someone who will speak up when we’re clearly being thrown at. and in texas people said he was great in the clubhouse, which we need also. on the field, all the guy does is rake. especially lefties, which is perfect enough but hes a switch hitter too! and he did play a lot of DH this year but hes a good athlete, plus tatis and murphy (and alou) weren’t gold glovers themselves and we got by. i feel bradley is a cheaper alternative to manny, with a suprisingly small dropoff in production.
by robcast23 on
Oct 6, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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Pass on Bradley
Seriously, the guy is a total head case. Yeah, he can produce awesome numbers, but he’s totally insane. Guaranteed he’d fail in New York. There’s too much pressure from the media, and the fans are too harsh. If the Mets do actually sign Bradley, we may actually see the first-ever on-field homicide.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Oct 6, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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as headcases go
i prefer manny.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on
Oct 7, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
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no they don't
Byrnes’ 162-game average is 19 HR and 22 SB, but other than 2007 he’s generally been good for 120 to 140 games, and that’s not including the fact that he only played 50 this year. In the natural decline phase of his career (he’ll be 33 next year) and coming off a serious injury, I’d expect something more like 15 and 15. And a .260 batting average and .325 career OBP from a corner outfielder is awful. While he does hit lefties hard, his career OPS against lefties (.864) is still not as good as what Nick Evans did against them this year (.894). I don’t really know enough to comment on his fielding but he’s just plain not a great hitter.
by JoshNY on
Oct 7, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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where's manny??
i second the eric byrnes sucks motion. Keep this expensive gritty dunderhead away from my ballclub.
I don’t understand the love for Castro frankly. If you’re making the best of a bad situation fine, but if the mets can make a move here, they have to do it.
I don’t think Krod is the answer but i don’t know who is.
That pen looks waaaay to familiar to me. I disagree with Reg, Show, Heilman have to go, but I don’t need to see Pedreadful ever again and Stokes and Ayala can get thrown back on the junkpile. No need to settle for shit again. Smith could be kept if only to carry the little pink backpack. Otherwise, it’s audition time. Fool me once, fool me twice, but three times, Reg?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on
Oct 6, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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I'm not saying I want the same bullpen
I just think that given the contract status of players involved It’s likely to look very similar. Smith and Feliciano are both very effective when used as specialists. (Smith .643 OPS vs. RHB, Feliciano .575 OPS vs. LHB) I would keep them since they are young and cheap. They just have to be used correctly.
I would trade Schoeneweis for a used jock strap. But Heilman and Sanchez are tougher decisions. Both have a track record of being effective relievers. Sanchez may never be the same after his injury, or he may have just needed time to regain his arm strength. Heilman’s injury (supposedly) may have caused him to be ineffective this year, but he did post ERA+’s of 130, 120, and 140 the previous three years.
Again, I’m not saying I want these guys back. If you can trade them and get useful players or maybe a couple of “live young arms”, I would move them in a heartbeat. But I’m not sure how likely that is. I just wouldn’t dump them for nothing only to replace them with guys who may be just as suspect and may cost more money and/or players.
by Reg Dunlop on
Oct 6, 2008 3:58 PM EDT
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Castro
Look, he’s not the second coming of Mike Piazza. Obviously if you have the opportunity to get a premium guy, you have to look at it, or even to get a modest upgrade for a reasonable price.
But, I think Molina is a modest upgrade rather than a premium guy, and coming off a good season, I think you’d have to overpay to get him.
by JoshNY on
Oct 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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there are none
there are no premium guys out there so why dump our guys who, when you add up their production, weren’t bad at all?
obviously we all want russ martin, joe mauer, gio soto but they’re not available. those who are aren’t any better than what we have now. and yes molina had a big year, does anyone really think he would come to the mets and be any good? thats roberto alomar all over again
by robcast23 on
Oct 6, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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Free Agents
I’m not sure what Fuentes will be but I think that might be to many type A free agents. I believe you can only sign 3.
Plus I’m not a fan of Hudson for the contract he supposedly wants. Not when he’s coming off wrist surgery, on the same wrist he had surgery on last year. Also not to sure about Byrnes. If the D-backs would actually do the Byrnes for Castillo trade then I think it might be a good idea but probably not as a starter, maybe as a bench or platoon player. I have no idea what his contract situation is so I’m not sure if that’s feasible.
Also I feel like sitting Murphy and Evans on the bench is wasting them. If we’re not going to use them in some sort of rotation where they get regular playing time I think they need to be in the minors.
by Gina on
Oct 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Fuentes is definitely type A.
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
by Blicks on
Oct 19, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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me
SP1: Johan Santana
SP2: CC Sabathia
SP3: Mike Pelfrey
SP4: John Maine
SP5: Jon Niese
‘Pen:
Brian Fuentes
Duaner Sanchez
Joe Smith
Pedro Feliciano
Aaron Heilman
Brian Stokes
(Keep plugging in random minor league relievers until you hit something. Someone from the 07 or 08 draft should skyrocket. I know this isn’t really the way to go about assembling a bullpen, but starters pitch over 200 innings. Santana+Sabathia makes me drool.)
Catcher: Mike Piazza Ramon Castro
First Base: Carlos Delgado
Second Base: Dan Murphy
Third Base: David Wright
Shortstop: Jose Reyes
Left Field: Barry Bonds Nick Evans
Center Field: Carlos Beltran
Right Field: Lastings Milledge Ryan Church
Bench:
Schneider
Aforementioned AAAA slugger
Endy Chavez
Luis Castillo
Do we really need radical changes? We needed Wagner to stay healthy. The only thing I should add to my list is more bullpen arms, but really, this team was fine minus a bad injury (Wags) and bad management (Ayala in every “high pressured” situation.)
I would absoluely love to add Nelson Cruz to our order. The Rangers don’t seem to be committed to his progression. If we could persuade them with Heilman, that would be awesome. He’s really good. Something clicked in 2008.
No, I really honestly did not make any gigantic changes.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
by BlackOps on
Oct 6, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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interesting idea
i always like trying for the steal like we got with maine and nelson cruz is a definite steal candidate. but we’ve got to bring back some bullpen arms and i think i’d prefer to use heilman that way.
i dont like sabathia, we’ve reached capacity on 5+yr $100+mil contracts to pitchers. i was leary about santana’s, and thats santana! sabathia doesn’t have nearly the credentials santana does, not to mention the athleticism. i don’t make that move.
by robcast23 on
Oct 6, 2008 9:08 PM EDT
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Sabathia
Was quoted in the Post yesterday as suggesting he would be interested in playing for the Mets, so take that for what it’s worth.
by JoshNY on
Oct 7, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
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Young players don't get better by sitting on the bench.
I think all here agree that if Daniel Murphy develops into a suitable, or even above-average MLB 2B, that’s HUGE for the organization. He won’t develop without playing time. He needs to face MLB pitching (which is obviously MUCH more challenging than AAA pitching) and learn to make adjustments on a regular basis.
He hasn’t shown any indication that he can’t hit one side well, although that may appear as his stats deviate with more playing time.
Either anoint him co-starter at 2B (with another guy who’s capable of starting at 2B around as well) or trade him to someone who will start him or send him to AAA where he’ll get regular PT.
Now with 100% more Canuck.
by Blicks on
Oct 7, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
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Irish Hammer
The fans would have a conniption (and rightly so, in my opinion) if Murphy were to start the season in AAA.
by JoshNY on
Oct 7, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
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Big fat word to that.
Let the kid play.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Oct 7, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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