Wednesday Applesauce

Don't forget that the SBN 2008 Postseason Hub is an ideal landing spot for our coverage of this year's postseason action. All of the latest coverage from the remaining playoff teams can be found there, or directly at Over The Monster, DRays Bay, True Blue LA and The Good Phight.
Believe it or not, a lot of folks don't realize that we've got a whole network of baseball blogs, including one each for every big league team, one for minor league content, one for scouting and one for statistics-mongering. Most of them are as good or better than this site, so if you're looking for news or information on any other major league teams, go check out the SBN site first, ESPN and the other guys second.
Here's a fun time-killer. Over at Beyond the Boxscore, Sky Kalkman provides a list of 31 (?) pairs of MLB players from 2008. For each pair, you're to guess whether:
- Player A was at least ten runs more valuable than player B
- Player B was at least ten runs more valuable than Player A
- The two players were roughly equivalent in value
Value in runs is based on Justin's TotalValue ratings, which are conveniently available in spreadsheet form for pitchers and position players. Don't cheat, though; see how many of the 31 you can get right.
Dan Szymborski has started releasing his 2009 ZiPS projections over at Baseball Think Factory, and though he hasn't posted the Mets' projections yet, there are still a couple of neat features that have been posted lately. Both are related to minor league analysis
The first is a spreadsheet of 2008 minor league translations, which are major league equivalences of minor league data. In short: What this year's minor leaguers could reasonably have been expected to do were they to have played in the big leagues instead.
For instance, given his performance this past year in the minors, Fernando Martinez might've hit .231/.270/.342. Francisco Pena might've hit .211/.244/.295. Jon Niese might've posted a 4.50 ERA.
The other great feature is a list of 2008 minor league park factors, which were calculated using Jeff Sackmann's Minor League Splits. Minor league park factors are especially useful if you want to see whether a particular hitter's or pitcher's performance was artificially inflated/deflated by the environment he spent half of his playing time in. Here are the park factors for all of the Mets' affiliates this past season.
| Park | R | H | 2B | HR | BB | K |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brooklyn (A-) | 1.02 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 0.89 | 0.94 | 0.99 |
| Savannah (A) | 0.97 | 0.97 | 0.95 | 0.98 | 1.00 | 1.02 |
| St. Lucie (A+) | 1.02 | 1.00 | 1.02 | 1.02 | 0.98 | 0.97 |
| Binghamton (AA) | 1.07 | 1.05 | 1.03 | 1.09 | 1.03 | 0.98 |
| New Orleans (AAA) | 0.91 | 0.95 | 0.97 | 0.93 | 1.00 | 1.07 |
In other minor league news, Baseball America has revealed the 2009 amateur draft order, and the Mets are slated to pick 25th. Smart money is on that pick going to the Brewers, Dodgers, or some other team with a marquee free agent changing uniforms this winter.
As JoshNY pointed out in this FanPost, the Mets are auctioning off memorabilia from the dismantling of Shea Stadium. Among the items are a turnstile, a locker from the visitor's locker room, the American flag from Shea's roof, and much more. No urinals, though maybe they'll add more stuff as the weeks go on.
The free agent rumors are already swirling, and Lord Boras is letting teams know that, despite the fact that Manny Ramirez is firmly entrenched in this year's playoffs, his client is looking for five years and $85 million. That's about two years and $35 million too much if you ask me.
Interestingly, Ramirez's god awful defense in left improved substantially when he moved from Fenway's bizarro-world dimensions to those of the more traditionally-shaped Dodger Stadium. His RZR as a Red Sox was .817 this season; it was .895 with the Dodgers. That would have ranked him fourth out of nine qualified NL left fielders. Now, left field is usually where you stick your worst fielder who isn't already playing first base, but even adequate fielding coupled with Ramirez's bat is a mighty fine combination.
MLB has released their list of potential free agents of this coming offseason (or, the current offseason for 26 teams including the Mets). The Mets have 13 players who could become free agents (not including players not yet eligible for free agency who could theoretically be non-tendered), which is second in quantity to the Dodgers, who have 14 players on the list. Mets listed are:
- Moises Alou
- Tony Armas Jr.
- Luis Ayala
- Carlos Delgado (club option)
- Damion Easley
- Orlando Hernandez
- Pedro Martinez
- Ramon Martinez
- Trot Nixon
- Oliver Perez
- Ricardo Rincon
- Fernando Tatis
- Matt Wise
How many of these guys stand even a 50/50 chance of coming back? Delgado. Maybe Tatis in a backup role. Ehh, that's probably it. Some of them could still return, but few are likely to do so.
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Fernando Tatis will get 4 years/$20 million
I’m saying so only because I’m a pessimist. I wouldn’t mind bringing him back; he’s young enough for someone who seems to have been around forever and he was solid for the most part but I don’t want him to be more than a back-up.
I agree with the proposed Manny terms as well. Five years, in particular, is probably more than any NL team should be willing to pay. He might be able to hit forever but I can’t imagine he won’t become a defensive liability at some point during that contract. If the Mets can somehow get him for three years, sign him up.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 8, 2008 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the optimist
Tatis gets 2/$10 Million.
by Reg Dunlop on Oct 8, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate those deals
catch lightening in a bottle once, great. chances of tatis having another type of year? teeny. like bowden’s brain when he did a similar thing with dimitri young two years ago. i mean, i love da meat hook as much as the next guy but its just illogical. plus how much leverage can these washed up guys have? other teams are bidding for their services?
i mean, whatever, its not my money, but its clogs up the roster when new blood should be getting pumped through the system.
by kendynamo on Oct 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lightning in a bottle
Valentin ’06
Easley ’07
Hell, Mota September ’06 for that matter
by Simons on Oct 8, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, The Stache
Anyone else remember checking in with “his” blog early in the ’06 season?
http://912500guaranteedsmackers.blogspot.com/
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 8, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish we could have spent many game threads with the swell guy who came up with that
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2008 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure turned out weird.
When he became a godsend. :-) Who knew?
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
by ZaBlanc on Oct 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way the video on the site now originally was him miming a blow job during spring training, i think, Then it was taken down.
Good times.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Manny too...
…But not for that long and that much. He’s already 36 years old.
Let him play left for a year. See if Delgado will have the same kind of power with the bat next season. If not, put Manny there for the 2010, 2011 seasons.
Three years max. If he wants more than that? Thanks, but no thanks. I would hope that Omar has learned enough about hiring older veterans to long term deals.
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 8, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh god
Can you imagine Manny at First? I’m laughing about it now. Just imagine all the talk-radio chatter about how he does not hustle enough on bunts, and does not jump high enough when Dub floats one.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Oct 8, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it is quite humorous...
I’m just trying to place him where he would be the smallest liability on defense.
If only the NL had the DH.
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why, but i chuckled mightily upon reading the words
“when the Dub floats one.”
I don’t chuckle when he actually does it.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2008 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell
I hope that Omar has learned enough about relying on the elderly even on short-term deals.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 8, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
I’d give Manny $85 over 5. Then I would give Ollie $75 over 5. Then we could see Ollie being Manny.
by Simons on Oct 8, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we'd have to hire Cagney and Lacey to solve who killed Omar for signing both of them to such long term deals.

" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 8, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last time I saw her...
…Cagney looked like she had eaten Lacey (or is that vice versa? Never knew which was which).
by madisonmetsfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ .5
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 9, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lady detectives?
What a country!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 8, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Wise?
If the Mets can determine Wise’s shoulder will likely be sound in 2009, why not give him another shot at plugging part of that gaping hole in our middle relief?
by TomDC on Oct 8, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At best he deserves a minor league contract
I never considered him an adequate solution to the middle relief problem. He wasn’t that good to begin with and now he is coming off an injury. In his four years with the Brewers he posted a WHIP under 1.2 once and only posted a K/9 over 8 once. (Both in 2005) Since he is also not a ground ball specialist, his value will fluctuate wildly based on defense and luck.
He was a worthy acquisition for Mota, but I wouldn’t give him anything more then a minor league contract with MLB incentives.
by Reg Dunlop on Oct 8, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mota
The Mets actually signed Wise after he was non-tendered by the Brewers. The Mets traded Mota for Johnny Estrada, who was later non-tendered after the Mets dealt for Schneider.
by Eric Simon on Oct 8, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Wise?
is the question I ask.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2008 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond the Boxscore quiz
Derek Jeter was roughly equivalent to Denard Span this year. I think the absurd nature of the contract he has puts the Castillo deal in perspective. I mean, the Mets are on the hook for that money, but at least they can bench him when he’s unproductive. Jeter is a sacred cow and I bet the Yankees fans would have a shit fit if they ever tried to take him out of the lineup.
by JoshNY on Oct 8, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm-Hmmm
…And you know it’s a given that he’s going to start in the new digs there in the Bronx. I don’t see him doing more than 2 more years w/the Yucks at SS. Currently 34 and not the most agile guy in the infield.
On the positive side (for him) however, he’s still good for a handful of phenomenal plays from the position. His 2008 FPCT was .979 which is pretty damned respectable isn’t it? Seems like his current defense gets lost amongst the highlights of yesteryear.
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 8, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be smirking at the Yanks misfortune had i not remembered the way we
padded Dereks’ herpes infested love nest by watching 54 million “edge” ford commercials.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 9, 2008 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Plan
Bring back Delgado. Holy sh** El Duque is still a Met? Weird. Who cares. The rest can go, including Pedro — though I love him. Ironic his final performance is in complete contrast to Glavine’s.
Go for CC. After that, go for GOOD players, not superstars. Fill out this lineup so it’s not a dead void 6-8. I assume Schneider will stay, but get GOOD players for 2B and RF. And get CC. :-)
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
by ZaBlanc on Oct 9, 2008 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Off subject for a moment
What’s up w/the new annoying adds? The moment your mouse goes over them, they obnoxiously expand and stay expanded unless you manually ‘close’ it.
Just annoying as hell.
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 9, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which ones?
If you can describe the ad (i.e. the product and where the ad appeared) I can try to get rid of them.
by Eric Simon on Oct 9, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Eric
Any ad that says: “Roll Over” enscribed w/in the ad.
There has been one Vault beverage ad and one Mountain Dew ad. Apparently this doesn’t happen with Mac’s, only with anything other than a Mac.
I understand the companies pay money to have their ad’s placed and perhaps SB Nation gets proceeds from this however, obnoxious advertising takes away from enjoyment of the blog.
" GOD BLESS WHAT'S LEFT OF AMERICA "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Oct 9, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where was the ad?
Was it on the top of the page (the horizontal banner) or on the right side (the square ad)?
by Eric Simon on Oct 9, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs























