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We've talked about Manny Ramirez a bit in this space lately, and I think the vast majority of us would be in favor of the Mets bringing him in on a three-year deal at aging superstar money (~$15-17 million per season). Well, you can count Wallace Matthews among those dissenting voices in the crowd. His argument? They should've traded for him in July when the price was "low":

They, along with every other team in baseball, had their shot at Manny in July, when the increasingly tense relationship between him and the Red Sox finally reached its breaking point. Things had gotten so bad that the Red Sox were happy to pay the remaining $7 million on his contract just to be rid of him. They probably would have thrown in a ride to the airport.

After the trade, I remarked about how much the Red Sox gave up for Jason Bay, but within that comment we see what the Dodgers gave up for Ramirez. The key to that deal for the Sox was Dodgers third base prospect Andy LaRoche (now with the Pirates), who was ranked before the 2008 season as the 14th best prospect in baseball by Kevin Goldstein. The Mets' highest ranked prospect at the time was Fernando Martinez, who was 51st. Even if you call the two players a wash, would anyone have actually considered a Martinez-for-two-months-of-Ramirez swap a steal for the Mets? Or even a good deal? Signing Ramirez this offseason will cost them money and probably a draft pick, but the 25th pick in the draft < Fernando Martinez.

* * *

Tony Bernazard, the Mets' VP of player development, is interviewing for the Mariners' GM position. I have no idea if his departure would be good or bad for the Mets; I guess it depends on the likely replacement.

Ambiorix Burgos could face up to two years in jail if convicted of abandoning victims and fleeing the scene of a hit-and-run in the Dominican Republic. The two victims of the accident -- a 29-year-old woman and a 38-year-old woman -- both died at the scene. If that wasn't bad enough, there's this:

The news comes after the mother of one of the two victims accused Burgos of intentionally running her daughter over because she refused to go out with him.

Gah! Obviously, there's a huge difference between a car accident and a car "accident". The Mets need relief pitching, but not this badly.

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A number of Mets minor leaguers are kickin' it in winter ball, with some prospects playing in the Arizona Fall League with the Peoria Saguaros (saguaros = large cactus) and some others playing Hawaiian Winter Baseball with the Honolulu Sharks.

Saguaros 10, Scottsdale Scorpions, 7

  • Josh Thole, catcher , 0-3, 2 BB, 1 R (St. Lucie). Thole hit .300/.382/.427 in 347 at-bats as a 21-year-old with St. Lucie in 2008. He didn't distinguish himself in three prior minor league seasons with the Mets, but an .809 OPS as a catcher is certainly encouraging.

Honolulu 3, Waikiki BeachBoys 1

  • Josh Stinson, RHP, 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 SO (St. Lucie). Stinson is 2-0 with a 0.87 ERA in HWB action so far.
  • Greg Veloz, 2B, 0-2, 1 BB, 1R (St. Lucie).
  • Roy Merritt, LHP, .1 IP, 1H, 1R, 1HR (St. Lucie)

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Lastly, though it was with sadness that the NY Sun closed up shop at the end of September, it's nice to see that Tim Marchman picked up new gigs with the Wall Street Journal and Slate. Baseball journalism wouldn't be the same without him.

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wow, wallace matthews is being teerarded

big shocker. that guy blows.

also re: man ram – jose sheehan obliterates jackass deluxe tim mccarver in an awesome (and free) BP post.

and if burgos is out, what about ugueth urbina, is he available?

by kendynamo on Oct 9, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Tim McCarver

can kiss the biggest part of my ass.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 9, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think signing Manny at the end of the season is better than pulling the trigger on the trade in July.

He may have acted like a baby, but he was still putting up monster numbers, and those numbers are what’s going to drive Manny’s next contract, not how he acts. The Dodgers didn’t really give up a lot, but giving up nothing is probably better.

by Phildo on Oct 9, 2008 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the 14th rated prospect,

at least according to baseball prospectus, Is giving up a lot. I don’t think the trade hurts them because they have a pretty deep farm system I believe and a lot of young players already in the majors but I don’t think that makes it not a lot. I really don’t think we would have been able to match the value and if we were I think it will involved a major package.

by Gina on Oct 9, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Again, F-Mart was ranked considerably lower than LaRoche, at least according to Kevin Goldstein. Would F-Mart have been too much to give up for two months of Ramirez? I think so.

by Eric Simon on Oct 9, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burgos brings the gas

What I can’t figure out is how you commit vehicular manslaughter on two people and face “up to two years.” I may have to move to the Dominican Republic and campaign for office on a law-and-order platform.

by Simons on Oct 9, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

especially since there’s an allegation he did it on purpose, which would make it plain old intentional murder.

"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos

by Shomov on Oct 10, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

Maybe murder is 3 years plus probation

by SullyBaseball on Oct 10, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that's the case,

the next murder I commit will be in the D.R.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 12, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

K-Rod

Don’t touch him
Seriously… the last thing Mets fans need is another big budget bust blowing games

I wrote about how overrated K-Rod is

The Mets need relief help but do NOT get seduced by K-Rod

by SullyBaseball on Oct 10, 2008 1:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I’d much prefer Brian Fuentes, given the relative costs in years and money.

P.S. I loved you as the security guard in that episode of Monk.

by Eric Simon on Oct 10, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

it’s easy to get seduced by K-Rod, but there’s no reason to spend that kind of money on a guy who’s gonna throw around 75 innings. Something else that scares me about him is his WHIP – with the exception of a dip from ‘05 to ’06, it’s gone up every season of his career, to 1.288 this past season. By comparison, Wagner has never had a whip above 1.191 (in 1997) except for his lost 2000 season, when he was hurt and only pitches 27 innings. Now, K-Rod makes up for it by striking out a ton of batters, but his k-rate has been going down each of the last 4 years, so you have to worry about that a little. He’s still a very good closer, but he’s not worth the money he’s gonna get.

by cjmulrain on Oct 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

His mechanics also scare me

Maybe he is a freak, but that violent motion just screams “season ending surgery”.

by Reg Dunlop on Oct 10, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

imagine those “screaming to the sky” antics in NYC

I’m serious… he’d be Benitez all over again

by SullyBaseball on Oct 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marchman marches on, the Sun sets, and all's right with the world

I’m with you that it’s nice to see Tim Marchman finding some new venues for his excellent sports reporting, but not at all sad to see the Sun die. Fuck the Sun. The last thing New York needed was a new right-wing rag that dressed up the politics of the Post and Fox News in a “dignified” high-culture veneer. I am thrilled they finally exhausted their backers’ patience and folded up.

by anonymous on Oct 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Sad

In the sense that they seemed to embrace objective baseball coverage while the rest of the mainstream media eschewed it.

by Eric Simon on Oct 13, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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