This Time Let's Not Eat The Gloves
When Moneyball was published back in 2004, a lot of folks read it and the proverbial light bulb went off. Billy Beane's emphasis on players who did an exemplary job of getting on base seemed so obvious to anyone who had read Bill James's work in the past, but thanks to Beane and Michael Lewis (whose Liar's Poker is even better than Moneyball) there were a million new converts overnight. Beane's salient point was not that on-base percentage was king (even though it is). The most important thing to take away from Moneyball, at least insofar as it would benefit a team without limitless resources, is the constant search for weaknesses in the market.
What Beane found at the time was that a player's ability to reach base with considerable frequency was undervalued, particularly relative to one's ability to hit homeruns. While other general managers were spending top dollar (and high draft picks) for players with pop, Beane narrowed his focus to players with high on-base percentages, who were comparatively inexpensive -- a key for Beane and Oakland's conservative payroll figures -- compared to their homerun-hitting brethren. Even though Beane's shit didn't work in the playoffs, he kept building teams that made their way into the postseason, doing so on the baseball equivalent of a shoestring budget.
With more and more people coming around to the value of walks and getting on base in general, the value of this skill on the open market has started to plateau. I don't think it's overvalued, at least not to the extent that immeasurable traits like grit, hustle and teammate-y-ness are, but I think folks acknowledge the usefuless of these players more so than they did a few years ago. The key, then, is finding new market inefficiencies and the next big undervalued skill (or, perhaps, several smaller-but-still-undervalued skills).
One of those skills might be defense. Defense has always been sought-after, but with newer and better ways of evaluating defensive performance cropping up all the time, a team that can properly articulate the value of one player's defense relative to another's has a distinct advantage. We now know that the players that look the best in the field and who make the fewest errors (and/or have the strongest arms) aren't necessarily the most valuable defensive players. Fielding percentage no longer tells us what we need to know; range-based analysis is where it's at, because more batted balls turned into outs is the most important thing a defender can contribute to the ultimate goal of winning baseball games.
Whatever your opinion of defensive metrics in general, discarding them all out of hand because of their flaws -- perceived or otherwise -- is probably a little short-sighted. Two systems coming to divergent conclusions about a particular fielder in itself shouldn't be grounds for ignoring one or the other or both. On-base percentage and slugging percentage differ wildly about the value of Ryan Braun in 2008, but that doesn't mean we're going to punt them both into the ether. The more data we have the clearer a picture we can draw (of course there is such a thing as bad data, but if you trust the source of play-by-play data then the conclusions of different systems can reasonably be considered in aggregate in an effort to reach a stronger overall conclusion).
Just like offensive value can be expressed via runs created (or some variant thereof), defensive value can be expressed via runs saved, and for all intents and purposes, a run created is as valuable as a run saved. It follows logically that a player who creates 50 runs with his bat (relative to replacement, say) and zero runs with his glove is approximately as valuable as a player who creates 70 runs with his bat and costs his team 20 runs in the field. As a means of player comparison and, perhaps more importantly, player evaluation with respect to acquisitions, you have to consider defensive value in the overall picture. Raul Ibanez might put up decent offensive numbers, but if he costs your team two wins with the glove (not to mention a high draft pick) then you really have to wonder if he's worth the trouble (ed. note: he isn't).
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Great post, defense is the most undervalued aspect of the game…Mets should look to improve their defense especially at 2B, even if it means going with a offensively challenged player
Eric,
If it wasn’t for you, I wouldn’t even have realized that Ibanez was horrid in the field. I’ve never watched a Mariners game in my life, and no one seems to bring it up (while you bring it up once a day).
Rock on.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Nov 11, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply actions
Ibanez defense isn't that bad
Eric, you already know, but to others check out the left sidebar of Lookout Landing to see Ibanez’s webgems.
Hilarious
That’s good stuff over there.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Nov 11, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
It seems like most “moneyball” type organizations have already figured out defense was way undervalued. The problem is our front office seems to be a few years behind, not to mention considering they tried to sell the Castillo signing to us because of his defense I’m not sure they pay attention to any kind of useful defensive stat.
Perhaps
But Castillo did deal with lots of injuries that hurt is defense much like Orlando Hudson this season. Also, while most “moneyball” followers hate Endy Chavez, Beyone the Boxscore’s work has shown his defense is so super-awesome he could pass as a starter. Same thing with Beltan’s contract, at the time, Beltran was not worth the contract solely as a hitter, but including his defense, made it a bargin then and even better now. Valentine’s resign after 2006 even though offensive regression was obvious was still a good move (sans injury) because of his steller D at the necking base. There are more examples. So, the latter in conjunction with Jerry Manuel’s claim that there a too many “stats-people” in the front office, I believe someone must be valuing defense up there or Omar just loves Endy Chavez, that could be it too.
OT: marlins trade olsen and willingham
great news. no more hearing the marlins announcers say HAMMER twenty times a game.
Ooh, thanks
I’ve been looking for something new to read and Liar’s Poker will definitely fit the bill.
what is LIBOR today?
It’s a great read. While it’s a cautionary tale about greed and the excesses of 1980s Wall St., it also made me want to go get my MBA at the same time. It had that weird effect on me.
And yes, I’ll never forget what LIBOR or the TED spread are after reading it.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
This is why
I’m glad Omar values defense…even if for the wrong reasons. This is also why I’ve advocated Endy starting last year when Alou got hurt. During a Mets/Rox game this year, Rosenthal said the Mets “stat department” discovered Argenis Reyes. I’ve always wondered if that was because the Mets stat guy(s) is an idiot or he understands defense(nah).
exhibit A in the argument for the importance of defense: the AL Champs
The 2007 Devil Rays gave up 944 runs. The 2008 Rays gave up 671 runs. 4/5 of the rotation was the same. I don’t think Matt Garza had THAT much of an impact. Simply put, the Rays went from one of the worst defensive teams in baseball history to a very good defensive team. They did it by altering 3 of the up-the-middle defensive premium positions. Upton in CF, Iwamura at 2B, and Bartlett at SS were MASSIVE upgrades. Instead of absolute butchers at all 3 positions, you have 3 gold glove-caliber players. Add in a gold glove-caliber 3B in Longoria to take over for Iwamura, and suddenly, your defense is turning a lot of the hits given up by the pitchers into outs.
P.S. please note that the gold glove award is beyond useless, so I’m only using it as a metaphor for superior defensive players.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
Baseball Prospectus had this one pegged
The predicted the Rays at 88* wins in the beginning of the season almost entirely based on improved defense.
While the projection seems low now, the projection before the season does not take into account teams losing teams trading away players (how could it) as well as exact playing time given to players, such as callups. Still, it was far and away the closet projection to the Rays.
Eric, Thanks for an informative and interesting article. With respect to Billy Beane...
…You mentioned two great points. He was able to make his team contenders by generating runs with with players who maintained a high OBP, however, when his teams advanced to the playoffs it’s obvious that superior pitching kept those same “high OBP” guys off base more than in the regular season.
If the A’s were able to reduce cost by acquiring cheaper offensive players which were able to get on base more and thereby, produce more runs, why didn’t the A’s use the cost savings and go out and purchase a superior SP, MR, and/or Closer?
If you’re a contender on the cheap offensively, there’s no reason not to invest in the missing piece of the puzzle. “Pitching”. How many times do we all here, pitching wins championships?
" Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Nov 11, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions
During the moneyball period
He had good pitching, Hudson, Zito, Mulder, two among them cy youngs (deserving or not) plus he was creating closers year in and year out for next to nothing in Isringhausen (cast off by us,) Billy Koch (remember him, man he was good for a year,) Keith Foulke, and flipping them for draft picks or his next closer. The book also mentions Bradford to round out your points. Beane saved money on everything pitching, defense, management, offense, the draft, baseball operations as a whole. But it’s not like he was stock piling the money, he was using all of what little money ownership gave me and creating the best team possible with it.
It doesn’t stop with moneyball either, after the book, Beane’s draft shifted to more high prospects, proving moneyball wasn’t about college vs hs, but inefficiency. After moneyball came out other teams started drafting more college players, so Beane moved on. This year Beane spent a huge sum on the number one Latin American prospect (4.5) because he saw that as an inefficiency.
Damn!
1. Nice job proving I didn’t do my homework. ;-) ( I need to give this book a read)
2. But, I guess those pitchers still weren’t good enough to win in the playoffs.
3. Perhaps B. Beane should be hired by President -Elect Obam’s transition team for Secretary of the Treasury.
Nice job Sokojoe.
" Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Nov 12, 2008 4:56 AM EST up reply actions
when Beane said his shit doesn't work in the playoffs
What he meant was that his teams were built to do well over the long run (i.e.,a full season), and that in a short playoff series anything can happen and you need some luck to win. You can’t build a team to be lucky.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Nov 12, 2008 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhat true
But high strikeout pitchers, defense and a great closer have been shown to have a high correlation with winning the the playoffs, assuming that the team’s other parts are good enough to get into the playoffs to begin with but yeah lots of luck involved.
Concur...
…I definitely didn’t see the Phillies being the team dominant enough to win this years series once they made the playoffs. I really believed the Cubs would represent the NL. Just goes to show ya. Anything can happen.
" Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yay defense. Keep talking about it.
And positions, too.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.






























