Mets Batter VORP By Decade
I'm having a difficult time remembering a more excruciatingly slow offseason than this one. Not only are the rumors of bottom-shelf sexiness, but they're all so embarrassingly off-base that a vast sea of internet sites are losing credibility by the hour. Not this one, though, because we set the bar so impossibly close to the ground as to stifle any potential credibility demerits.
So until something worthwhile comes along, let's kill some time on a pre-holiday Wednesday by poring over some historical Baseball Prospectus data. I ran through Mets batter VORP by decade just to see who the team leaders were during different eras of the franchise's history. A lot of these guys you could have probably guessed, but it's neat to see how everyone stacks up overall.
| NAME | 1960's VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Ron Hunt | 92.3 | 4 |
| Cleon Jones | 69.9 | 6 |
| Ken Boswell | 28.0 | 3 |
| Tommy Davis | 27.8 | 1 |
| Ron Swoboda | 25.5 | 5 |
| Art Shamsky | 25.4 | 2 |
| Bob Johnson | 25.0 | 1 |
| Frank Thomas | 22.5 | 3 |
| Bud Harrelson | 22.4 | 5 |
| Richie Ashburn | 21.8 | 1 |
Keep in mind that these figures are aggregates for the entire decade. That 135 games played by Richie Ashburn in 1962 were enough to place him on the top ten list for the eight years the Mets existed in the sixties should tell you all you need to know about the state of their offense back then. Until recently, the Mets have always been heavy on pitching and light on hitting, but this is pretty ridiculous. Ron Hunt and Cleon Jones do alright for themselves here, but the rest is just a disaster. Bud Harrelson played three full seasons and parts of two others and he just barely cracks the list.
| NAME | 1970's VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Rusty Staub | 97.2 | 4 |
| Bud Harrelson | 94.5 | 8 |
| Lee Mazzilli | 75.0 | 4 |
| Wayne Garrett | 71.6 | 7 |
| John Milner | 70.8 | 7 |
| Felix Millan | 68.8 | 5 |
| Tommie Agee | 62.0 | 3 |
| Ed Kranepool | 58.7 | 10 |
| Steve Henderson | 58.6 | 3 |
| Cleon Jones | 54.5 | 6 |
The seventies really weren't much better than the sixties, even with two additional years to work with. Bud Harrelson has eight years represented here; Ed Kranepool has the full ten. Le Grand Orange was only in town from 1972 thru 1975, but two of those were good years and the other two were terrific ones. Lee Mazzilli had the highest single-season VORP of the decade with his 46.8 in 1979, with a comfortable lead over the 36.4 Cleon Jones notched in 1971. Only Staub and Tommy Ageee averaged better than two wins above replacement per season. It was a less offensive era to be sure, but even within that context the Mets were pretty pathetic.
| NAME | 1980's VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Darryl Strawberry | 253.9 | 7 |
| Keith Hernandez | 181.6 | 7 |
| Howard Johnson | 164.3 | 5 |
| Mookie Wilson | 122.3 | 10 |
| Lenny Dykstra | 93.4 | 5 |
| Kevin McReynolds | 92.2 | 3 |
| Wally Backman | 90.3 | 9 |
| Gary Carter | 82.4 | 5 |
| Tim Teufel | 51.2 | 4 |
| Dave Magadan | 43.3 | 4 |
Cocaine + glam rock = more offense! Lots of big names here, including three of the half-dozen-or-so best hitters the Mets have ever had. I've always had a soft spot for Kevin McReynolds, and I don't think he gets enough credit for his production as a Met. He didn't have much of a personality and he was on the wrong end of the trade that sent future-MVP Kevin Mitchell to the Padres, but he was a very nice hitter for a few years and one of the two batting stances I can remember emulating as a little leaguer (the other was Lenny Dykstra).
Darryl Strawberry and Howard Johnson had five of the top ten VORP seasons of the eighties, with HoJo taking the single-season crown with 74.9 during his monster 1989 campaign: 36 homeruns, 41 stolen bases, 41 doubles, 77 walks. Tim Teufel actually had the tenth-best single-season of the decade with 37.9 VORP in 1987 when he hit .308/.398/.545 in 350 plate appearances.
| NAME | 1990's VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| John Olerud | 153.2 | 3 |
| Edgardo Alfonzo | 121.0 | 5 |
| Mike Piazza | 120.6 | 2 |
| Bobby Bonilla | 111.9 | 5 |
| Todd Hundley | 91.4 | 9 |
| Howard Johnson | 90.5 | 4 |
| Jeff Kent | 79.8 | 5 |
| Lance Johnson | 71.5 | 2 |
| Dave Magadan | 67.9 | 3 |
| Bernard Gilkey | 59.2 | 3 |
Is it any wonder why John Olerud is my favorite Met of all time? His 70.4 VORP in 1998 was the best of the nineties when he hit .354/.447/.551 and somehow only finished 12th in MVP balloting. Of course, that same year Mark McGwire hit 70 homeruns and OPS-ed 1.222 and still lost the MVP to Sammy Sosa because Sosa's Cubs made the playoffs and Mac's Cardinals did not.
A lot of times I forget that Jeff Kent was with the Mets for so long. I always seem to mis-remember him playing here for a year or two before being shipped off for Carlos Baerga, but he actually stuck around for something like four full seasons. Johnson and Dave Magadan -- another one of my favorites -- make the return visit, as both also appeared on the eighties list.
| NAME | 2000's VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| David Wright | 275.8 | 5 |
| Mike Piazza | 251.5 | 6 |
| Jose Reyes | 210.6 | 6 |
| Carlos Beltran | 194.6 | 4 |
| Edgardo Alfonzo | 136.7 | 3 |
| Carlos Delgado | 88.9 | 3 |
| Cliff Floyd | 77.5 | 4 |
| Ty Wigginton | 42.2 | 3 |
| Mike Cameron | 37.3 | 2 |
| Paul Lo Duca | 36.4 | 2 |
Ahh, the aughts. If you closed your eyes and tried to guess this list, you'd probably come up with half of it very easily and a few more without a whole lot more trouble. If you guessed Ty Wigginton and Paul Lo Duca on the first shot, you're either Kreskin, Alex Nelson, or both. These numbers include 2008 results, from which we get seasons by David Wright, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran. Wright's decade-high and franchise-high mark of 81.1 VORP was set in 2007, though Edgardo Alfonzo's 76.9 in 2000 is just a shade behind.
You'll notice a stark contrast between the 2000's and basically all of the decades preceding it. The Mets have some of the franchise's best offensive players right now, so it should come as no surprise that four of the ten best single-season VORP marks have occurred in the past three seasons (Wright's 2007 and 2008; Jose Reyes's 2008; Carlos Beltran's 2006).
And just for kicks, here is the Mets all-time leaderboard.
| NAME | VORP | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Mike Piazza | 372.1 | 8 |
| Darryl Strawberry | 296.9 | 8 |
| David Wright | 275.8 | 5 |
| Edgardo Alfonzo | 257.7 | 8 |
| Howard Johnson | 254.8 | 9 |
| Jose Reyes | 210.6 | 6 |
| Carlos Beltran | 194.6 | 4 |
| Keith Hernandez | 181.6 | 7 |
| John Olerud | 153.2 | 3 |
| Kevin McReynolds | 134.4 | 6 |
| Cleon Jones | 124.4 | 12 |
| Mookie Wilson | 122.3 | 10 |
| Rusty Staub | 120.3 | 9 |
| Lee Mazzilli | 117.5 | 10 |
| Bud Harrelson | 116.9 | 13 |
| Bobby Bonilla | 111.9 | 5 |
| Dave Magadan | 111.2 | 7 |
| Lenny Dykstra | 93.4 | 5 |
| Ron Hunt | 92.3 | 4 |
| Todd Hundley | 91.4 | 9 |
To date, Mike Piazza leads all Mets hitters in career VORP by quite a bit, his 372.1 out-pacing Strawberry's 296.9 to the tune of more than seven wins. Wright is just a couple of decent seasons behind Piazza, though, so there could be a changing of the guard pretty soon. McReynolds at #10 is surprising, while Reyes and Beltran are both climbing this list quickly and furiously.
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Ha!
Bob Johnson seventh (!!) on the 1960s list with 230 at-bats. Granted, wonderful ones, but still.
by Blackfish on
Nov 26, 2008 9:08 AM EST
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Awesome
Doesn’t that just sound like a name you’d make up?
Boss: Who screwed up these TPS reports?!?
You: Uhh, it must’ve been .. umm.. Bob .. errr… Johnson.
Boss: Blagnabbitt!!
by Eric Simon on
Nov 26, 2008 9:50 AM EST
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I am also
in the John Olerud #1 Fan club, though David Wright is making a run.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on
Nov 26, 2008 10:37 AM EST
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Olerud was awesome.
That Piazza guy too.
by JoshNY on
Nov 26, 2008 11:27 AM EST
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I loved Olerud
but the Fonz was and always will be my favorite.
by cjmulrain on
Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM EST
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Fonzie
I still have my Alfonzo jersey. Haven’t worn it in a long time, though. Nice job.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Nov 26, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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no gregg jeffries
thats disappointing.
big ups to McReynolds tho. anyone else have the ‘speak softly and carry a big stick’ poster with McReynolds holding a giant piece of lumber instead of a regular bat and looking all bad ass?
by kendynamo on
Nov 26, 2008 11:48 AM EST
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In 10years, heck in 5 maybe
David Wright will be the best Met ever
by viktor06 on
Nov 26, 2008 1:00 PM EST
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If he has another 2007 type season
he’ll be the best Met ever in 2 years.
by cjmulrain on
Nov 26, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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oh, wait
unless you were referring to Seaver, in which case you’re right, it’ll probably take another 10 years. I was only thinking offensive players.
Eric, any chance you could do this with the pitchers? Would be interesting to see how they stack up (and how far ahead of everyone else Seaver is).
by cjmulrain on
Nov 26, 2008 1:10 PM EST
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Will do
I may use SNLVAR instead since VORP is a little iffy for pitchers.
by Eric Simon on
Nov 26, 2008 1:49 PM EST
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Anyone want to try to guess
the Mets all time top 10 in SNLVAR, off the top of my head:
The Franchise
The Doc
The Koos
The Cone
Matlack
Leiter
Darling
Sid
Ojeda
Glavine?
by Sokojoe on
Nov 26, 2008 2:11 PM EST
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Mine's close
Same top 4, then Leiter, Matlack, Darling, Sid, Reed, Trachsel would be my guess.
by yellomellojello on
Nov 26, 2008 5:06 PM EST
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John Franco
Should definitely be there imo…
by viktor06 on
Nov 26, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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My guess
Seaver
Gooden
Koosman
Cone
Matlack
Darling
Leiter
Reed
Franco
Ojeda
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Nov 26, 2008 7:59 PM EST
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SNLVAR
Is only for starting pitchers, which leaves Franco out, unfortunately.
by Eric Simon on
Nov 26, 2008 10:00 PM EST
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My perception
is that Sid Fernandez was a better pitcher than Darling, but Sid is consistently left off of most such lists while people almost always include Darling. On the other hand, I am not really sure. Both had control problems. Sid had better strike out rates. Darling logged a lot more innings. It may be a wash. I am too tired to look at the numbers closely.
"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos
by Shomov on
Nov 26, 2008 10:36 PM EST
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Sid pitched
the first game I ever went to, so I’ve always had a soft spot for him. I’m inclined to agree with you. And Darling didn’t log that many more innings: 1620 – 1584, although he averaged more innings per season. But Fernandez had a much better K rate than Darling, a better ERA, and a much better WHIP as well. In fact, he’s actually 3rd in WHIP, behind Seaver (obv.) and Saberhagen, who probably didn’t pitch long enough in NY to make the list, but whose career with the Mets I think is underrated.
by cjmulrain on
Nov 27, 2008 2:49 AM EST
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Saberhagen's
1994 season was ridiculous : 143 Ks, 13 BBS, 152 ERA+
"Since we became accelerated readers, we never leave the house." - Los Campesinos
by Shomov on
Nov 28, 2008 8:44 PM EST
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yup
my last sentence should probably read "whose career with the Mets is severely underrated. He was hurt a lot and didn’t pitch nearly enough innings, but he was very good for us when he did pitch. And he rocked that blue glove.
In fact, I think his whole career is underrated. 2 time Cy Young winner, his 1989 season was disgusting good (2.16 ERA, 0.961 ERA, 262 IP, 43 BB, 193 K, 23-6 record), and a career 3.64 K/BB ratio. He’s not a hall-of-famer, but if he had been healthy his whole career he could have been at least in the conversation (his rate stats are better than Mussina, but he pitched 1,000 less innings over almost the same amount of seasons.)
by cjmulrain on
Nov 29, 2008 1:02 AM EST
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David Magadan
I wonder if his career would have turned out a lot differently if he played 20 years later (ie now). He had a career .390 OBP, but never had 600 plate appearances (and in most seasons he was far below that). People bitched that lacked both speed and power. Davy Johnson called him a one tool player.
On the other hand, he was sorta blocked out of first and third base in NY.
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by Shomov on
Nov 26, 2008 10:55 PM EST
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Magadan
I guess the problem he ran into was, he had no window of opportunity to be anything but a 1B, with HoJo replacing Knight at 3B and pretty clearly a better hitter. Magadan managed to see regular playing time at 1B from 1989 to 1991 (and then some at 3B in 1992) but even with a .390 OBP, even in that era before power hitting exploded, it’s tough to make it as a 1B who doesn’t hit for much power.
On the other hand, Mark Grace had a pretty nice career as a 1B with a good OBP and not much power; those are just the breaks for you, I guess.
by JoshNY on
Nov 27, 2008 11:50 AM EST
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Great stumble through Mets VORP history.
Do you have all years of VORP data in a spreadsheet or do BPro members have advanced functionality of the stats reports? This would be a great article for bloggers of all teams to tackle.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 30, 2008 8:44 PM EST
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