What Trading For J.J. Putz Means For The Mets
| Year | K% | BB% | tRA |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2006 | 34.32% | 4.29% | 2.38 |
| 2007 | 30.86% | 5.08% | 3.16 |
| 2008 | 26.54% | 13.27% | 4.53 |
Assuming good health, the Mets' acquisition of J.J. Putz (pŏŏts) gives them the best tandem relief corps in baseball, and in the last three days Omar Minaya has moved mountains (where mountains = piles of cash and prospects) to address the team's most conspicuous shortcoming from the past two seasons.
There will be plenty of debate over who won this deal or, specifically, if the Mets did well for themselves here. What is clear is that the Mets improved themselves for 2009 -- considerably so, one could argue -- and that they have turned a glaring weakness into an obvious strength in a very short period of time.
After the trade was finalized, there was some instant concern that Putz might not actually be so keen on setting up, considering that he was arguably the best reliever in baseball in 2006 and 2007. I was happy to learn that Putz is okay with the situation, and he certainly seems excited to dive into a pennant race.
Having two legitimate closers in the bullpen is a luxury, but it shouldn't be considered overkill for a couple of important reasons.
- You want your best reliever to pitch in the highest leverage situations, but since quite often those innings are not the ninth inning, and since closers are almost exclusively used to pitch the ninth inning, the vast majority of those pre-ninth inning high leverage spots are handled by your team's sub-optimal relievers (see: Duaner Sanchez). Putz gives the Mets an eighth inning guy who is every bit as good (if not better) than their ninth inning guy, and they are in a fairly unique position to have a dominant pitcher handle those pre-ninth high leverage spots.
- For most teams, if their closer goes down with an injury or some other nondescript pitching malady that renders him incapable of contributing meaningfully, they're largely fooked (see: Billy Wagner circa 2007-2008). If something happens to Francisco Rodriguez (injury, Martian abduction, etc.), the Mets no longer have to rely on Sanchez or Pedro Feliciano, or retreads like Luis Ayala. This is a good thing.
I absolutely hate losing Endy Chavez. He's a superlative fielder and a bleh hitter, but he's valuable enough to justify keeping around for more than nostalgic/irrational Endy-love reasons. Jeremy Reed was once a top prospect who will replace Endy's performance for the most part, even if his intangible awesomeness will be woefully inadequate.
Sean Green replaces Joe Smith, and despite giving up five years in age, the net effect on the Mets' bullpen is negligible.
As for the prospects, I like Mike Carp more than most do, but he struggles against lefties and he hasn't showed enough power yet to get anyone especially excited. Jason Vargas is dreck, and neither Maikel Cleto nor Ezequiel Carrera is going to have an impact any time soon, if at all (Cleto is interesting for his high-nineties fastball, but his breaking ball is blah).
Aaron Heilman and his tight, tight pants have found a new home in Seattle, and I wish him well. I supported him far longer than was reasonable, and I still support him, though even I'll admit that it was time for a change. He wanted to be a starter, but the Mets wanted him in the bullpen and Heilman did what he was told. Even after his most miserable failures on the mound, he answered questions politely and never blamed anyone else for his mistakes. You can certainly argue that he should do those things anyway, but in a league where a lot of players are reluctant to talk about the bad times, Heilman was always a man about those things.
Getting back to Putz, the biggest concern there is health, as he missed time in 2008 with rib cage inflammation and a hyper-extended pitching elbow. His post-injury numbers were very good, though he was plagued by some control problems that were entirely absent during his dominant seasons in 2006 and 2007. We can chalk some of it up to a bit of rust, and even if he has lost some of his command he will still be a great pitcher, if not the utterly sublime reliever he once was.
Want some outside perspective on the deal? Keith Law likes the trade for the Mets. Ditto Dan Szymborski. Matthew Carruth at FanGraphs agrees. Lookout Landing has Mariner fan reaction. Let's Go Tribe does likewise for the Indians.
As with all trades, this one will be judged twice: Once at inception and again in retrospect once all of the principals have settled and established themselves (or not). The latter will have to wait, but in the case of the former, I think the Mets are a clear winner here.
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… Darren O’Day check out this link for more info and here is a link for his numbers
by Sokojoe on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
link claims guy O'Day looks like Morrissey from the Smiths
I don’t really see it. Maybe the Mets can play “Hand In Glove” when he comes into the game.
by Endys Game on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to cbs sportsline
O’day has a torn labrum?
by Gina on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
we DL him I guess, I believe that counts toward keeping him on the roster and wait for 2010 or earlier…I’m not sure and most other reports haven’t touched on this. Irregardless, O’Day is basically Joe Smith so I dig the move.
Rocky Cherry is another pick I’m down with. Tell me if this sounds familar, right handed pitcher, good minor league numbers in Baltimore’s farm system, when called up in to the show in limited apperances suddenly nibbled at batters and walked too many. Now I’m not saying The Rock will be as a good as Maine, but this is exactly the kind of player the Mets should focus on in the Rule 5 draft, no downside if he sucks and his minor league numbers are pretty good.
The minor league portion picks aren’t worth mentioning just roster fillers after we traded away a number of players, still got to field teams you know.
by Sokojoe on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!
This thread reads like Fantasy Baseball draft day. Pretty neat.
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 11, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer "Panic"
although the Mets pen should cause less panic attacks in 2009-2010
by James Kannengieser on Dec 11, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Approve
It was sort of tough to grasp the details of this deal last night, what with all the reports flying in and players added over the course of the deal, but I like it. I like what I heard from Putz last night with regard to being a set-up guy and not THE CLOSER, and how he believes this just gives the Mets a totally sick back-end of the bully. I like that Omar is taking a strong approach to correcting the bullpen problems. I like that we have another Sean Green (apparently not one of the chosen people?). Most of all, I like:
THUN-DER! (ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah). THUN-DER! (ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ). ‘Bout time we had some AC/DC coming out of the ’pen. As a Mariner fan noted last night, however, we’re supposed to shout “J! J!” instead of “THUN-DER.” I can deal with that.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so on this power hour cd my friend made
the first song is Thunderstruck, and when it came on i liked to shout BEERS BEERS, ah ahah ahhh ahah ahhhh. i suppose i could alter that to JAY JAY. and of course still chug a beer as well.
by kendynamo on Dec 11, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Mets drinking game
I’m always down with that. Chug a beer when JJ comes out follows in the footsteps of chug a beer when Turk Wendall throws down the chalk bag (that got expensive,) chug three beers if Piazza swung at a 3-0 pitch (so so so rare,) chug a beer whenever Ricky’s helment came off which of course was followed by chug whenever Shawn Green’s hat fell off, chug whenever Reyes took a walk (that rule is a bit obsolete now,) and kick the keg whenever your manager gets ejected from the game and comes back wearing sunglasses and a fake moustache.
by Sokojoe on Dec 11, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a vacumm I think it was a very good deal.
But for me it will depend on how Putz and K-rod are used and how the rest of the off-season turns out. If we go for a bullpen ace type of format then I think this will be an awesome deal. If we’re just going to use them strictly as 9th and 8th innings guys then I’m not sure we’ll be getting the full value out of them, and we could have just gotten an 8th inning guy out of FA and possibly packaged those pieces to fill another hole. My fear is that with the money/players tied up in those two we’re going to assume that our biggest problem is fixed and we can afford to go with bargain bin type players in other positions, like the two holes in the rotation most specifically.
by Gina on Dec 11, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about on a broom?
Or a mop?
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 11, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to swallow hard and approve this trade
per my screen name, I hate giving up Endy and think he will be missed more than many realize. I am also not sure why he had to be dealt to complete this deal as Seattle is looking to rebuild and Endy is a player you use to fill in a spot on a contender. We couldn’t have given them say Angel Pagan? anyway, the Mets got their 8th inning guy and I am assuming he will be healthy and ready to go. And Heilman gets a fresh start which both he and the Mets needed.
anybody know anything about this other pitcher we got from Seattle?
Now get me Dereck Lowe and a bat and I am ready to rock and roll in CitiTaxpayerField!! I’ll miss you Endy.
by Endys Game on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cosign to your last comment
If we get Lowe, then I’ll be happy with pretty much anything else they do this off-season. Even if they sign Ibanez I’ll just block it out of my head.
by Gina on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna get a new name?
My first screen name was “KazMat420” and it was hard to let it go…
by mmxii on Dec 11, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think i'll keep Endy's Game
unless Tatis has another great year then I might consider “Show me your Tatis!!”
by Endys Game on Dec 11, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
market efficiencies
The Mets could never get maximum value out of Heilman and Endy — Aaron may be worth more as a starter, Chavez’s bat only plays in CF. It’s a bit of a surprise they have been role players in Queens for so many years, really.
Good deal. Omar is now two for two.
Oh and forget that pŏŏts nonsense, we’re callin’ him putz. We being myself and my multiple personalities who are getting along quite well thank you for asking NO WE’RE NOT quiet!
by Simons on Dec 11, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
Endy is more valuable to a team that can play him in center. As it is, the Mets were only using him as a defensive/injury replacement.
by Eric Simon on Dec 11, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
best wishes, Aaron
He was the longest-tenured Met, I believe. Who is now, Wright? That would be fitting.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Dec 11, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, Reyes. duh!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Dec 11, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
erock, youve summed up my sentiments better than i could do it myself. this is a very encouraging start to the hot stove.
by kendynamo on Dec 11, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When I read this headline: "Mets acquire Putz in three-team deal"
I thought it meant Paul Lo Duca was back.
I hope he’s good; I’ll miss Endy. Regardless of numbers, some players are just more fun to watch and root for.
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner
by dissento on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
best line of the day
and it isn’t easy to wring more yuks out of this Putz. Kudos.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 11, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I come to share my not entirely unrelated discovery...
My laboratories have worked overtime to answer a clear need in the mets blargosphere community and develop a better nickname for K-Rod. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you…
“Frank the Closer”
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But I'm partial
to names that are accurate. For example, outside of my client for the week is the Three Star Diner, I like that they didn’t oversell themselves as for stars, right by Mt Sinai is “Just another Deli” and I really hope that the resturant constuction right by grand central really does end up calling itself “High-End Resturant” as the space available lists it. So, Frank the Closer works for me.
by Sokojoe on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Back to Endy
Can Eric or somebody else post one more link to the video of the “Catch” so I can enjoy it and say farewell to Endy one last time? Sometimes I lie awake at night and pretend the game ended right there.
by Endys Game on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget he saved our last game at shea with a catch last year
I can’t link to it but go to mlb.com videos, search endy chavez, third page of the bottom bar.
by Sam Page on Dec 11, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The 8th and the 9th...
The “Putz” and The “Rod”…Whoa boy, can’t wait for the jokes this season.
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 11, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is it fair to say that the METS
have the best 8th / 9th tandem in the majors (provided they stay healthy)?
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 11, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes i'd say thats fair
quite fair indeed
by kendynamo on Dec 11, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
but according to Metsblog, the Angels have made Raul Ibanez their top priority if they can’t re-sign Teix (so, I guess their #2 priority?), and the Phillies and Cubs have taken the lead in the quest for his services. This news makes me very, very happy. I kinda hope he goes to the Angels or the Cubs though, b/c I would hate to see him help the Phillies in any way, shape, or form (he’s not much of a downgrade from Burrell if he’s even a downgrade at all).
by cjmulrain on Dec 11, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the report
Actually said Ibanez was #2 if they couldn’t resign Tex. And also according to a more recent ESPN report it’s the phillies, then us and then the cubs who are most likely to sign him.
by Gina on Dec 11, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Phillies get him.
So Minaya can’t sign him.
by SQUAD on Dec 11, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs























