ESPN: Ibanez signs with Phillies for 3/$30
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WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
What a glorious Friday morning this is!
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also
Check out the comments at The Good Phight.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is classic:
From ESPN.com: "The Phillies have agreed to a three-year contract with free-agent outfielder Raul Ibanez, pending a physical." (emphasis added)
Dear God, I’ve never wanted someone to fail a physical so much in my life.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 12, 2008 5:59 AM PST
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
The people over at The Good Phight will continue to post video of his atrocious fielding.
by Reg Dunlop on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's awesome
I have to imagine that’s what our comment thread would look like if we’d signed him, too.
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think this signing
is worse for the Phillies than it would have been for us. Say what you want about Ibanez, but he probably would have been an upgrade over what we currently have for left field. Not enough of an upgrade to merit giving him money and losing a pick, but an upgrade nonetheless. For the Phillies, though, he’s another lefty to add to all their lefties, and he’s probably a downgrade from Pat Burrell, who they didn’t even offer arbitration to.
My one fear is he hits 35 homers in that bandbox and all the Mets fans and radio hosts turn on Omar for not picking him up…
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Maybe this is me being a huge homer for our guys, but I would rather have Murphy/Tatis in LF than Ibanez. I think Murphy is going to be our Youkilis.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
look, I love Murphy as much as anyone, but we’re all expecting him to be this amazing player based on 131 at-bats. I’m just nervous about a sophomore slump. And Tatis was incredible last year, but there’s a reason he got exactly 56 at-bats during the 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons combined. I want him to hit as well as he did last year, but I don’t expect it.
I could see this turning into the Jose Valentin situation all over again. Personally, I’d prefer to avoid that by signing Adam Dunn, who you can pencil in for 40 HR and a .385+ OBP
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tatis is different than Valentin
He’s younger than Valentin was, and I think if deployed the right way, he will be successful. I love stats just as much as the next guy, but don’t be afraid to trust your eyes. Murphy has a great approach at the plate and I think he’ll be a solid guy for LF if he stays with that approach.
Platoons are not utilized enough, imo. I think a Murphy/Tatis platoon could be very productive for us.
And I don’t think Murphy is going to be this amazing player NEXT YEAR. And I don’t even think he’ll be as good as Youk. My point is I think he’ll be a solid contributor who won’t cost us anything for the next few years.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
about Murphy. He does have a great approach, and I do think he can be a very solid major league hitter. I’m just nervous that he’ll take a significant step back this year. If I wasn’t also nervous about Delgado reverting to 2007/first half of 2008 form, or Castillo continuing to suck hard, it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but I don’t know if they can win with little production from behind the plate, first base, second base, and left field. Granted, that’s expecting the worst at 3 positions (I think even the most optimistic fan is writing off C with Schneider back there), but shouldn’t that be the way to build a team? I’d rather have an excess of good players than a lack of them.
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure...
But, we still have Evans, who I think is going to be solid as well. In fact, I think Evans can improve.
As for Delgado, I really thought his poor performance was due to his recovering from injuries. He had wrist and elbow surgery after 2006, and then broke his arm at the end of 2007. Delgado is no spring chicken, and at his age, it takes longer to recover from major injuries (and minor ones.) Also, it was a bit convenient that Delgado turned it on after Willie got the heave ho. I think Delgado will be fine… he should be pushing for one more decent contract from an AL team. And even if he retires, this could be his last shot at a ring.
Castillo can’t be worse than he was last season, and if anything, I would expect an improvement if he is healthy.
I agree about the excess of good players. But remember, Manuel isn’t Bobby V. He doesn’t play his bench a whole lot… just ask Endy.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not a great example
Endy Chavez had 287 plate appearances last year, not what I’d call sitting out the season.
About Murphy/Evans vs. Ibanez: the issue is not just how they do on the field this year. Ibanez might well out-hit the pair of them in ’09, but the three-year commitment is almost certain to be a bad investment. Even separate from the hope of the younger players improving, the added payroll flexibility is enough to make Murphy/Evans preferable in my view — the real comparison is not just Ibanez vs. Murphy/Evans but Ibanez vs. Murphy/Evans + (money for pitching).
by anonymous on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is where statistics will burn you.
You needed to actually watch the games to know that Endy’s playing time decreased under Manual.
In fact, this is what Cerrone said following the trade: “additionally, they swapped reed for Endy Chavez, who was a favorite of Willie Randolph’s, but who got little play from Jerry Manuel”
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I meant Manuel.
And not to be a jerk, but re: Murphy/Evans, the fact that they give us an economical solution in left is huge. At the beginning of this chain I wrote:
“My point is I think he’ll be a solid contributor who won’t cost us anything for the next few years.”
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also not to be a Jerk
But statistics can show you that Endy’s playing time decreased such as innings played and PA. I actually liked the way Manuel used Chavez, it seemed like he would put him in the earliest possible without actually given Chavez an AB, whether that be 7th or 8th.
by Sokojoe on Dec 15, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great job
by the Phillies. They got the proven veteran and upstaged the New Yorkers. Awesome work.
::snickers::
by DoctorK16 on Dec 12, 2008 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's cold, gray, snowy, etc. up here in Rochester . . .
but this just makes today so danged sweet. I am totally going to have a beer with lunch.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disaster Everted
I’d like to think our interest in Ibanez was just Omar playing everyone. IF that’s the case, then it worked.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 12, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everted?
The disaster was turned inside out?
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl
I think it’s a disaster involving dinosaurs.
I hope we plan on carrying 2 lefties in our bullpen for the 3-4-5 the Phillies have lined up.
by whynot on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Feliciano kind of owns Utley and Howard
Utley vs. Feliciano: 27 PA, .296/.348/.644, 1 HR, 3 BB, 12 K
Howard vs. Feliciano: 21 PA, /.190/.333/.523, 1 HR, 0 BB, 7 K
Feliciano has never pitched to Ibanez.
Schoeneweis has been great against Ibanez in 14 PA and Howard in 12 PA but Utley owns him:
Utley vs. Schoeneweis: 12 PA, .583/.900/1.483, 1 HR, 1 BB, 3 K
All small sample sizes of course. I’d love it if Omar found a power LH RP and dumped Schoeneweis though. (I’m not sure why he gets a pass after two middling years while Heilman gets run out of town after one bad one that followed three good ones.)
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Show doesn't have that hang-dog look on his face
I’m convinced that it was a good part of the reason people hated Heils so much. He’s got the Eli “oh shucks I done it again” face.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heilman has given up some HUGE home runs.
There just seems to be this impending sense of doom when Heilman comes in. I know I may be projecting my own feelings, but Heilman just seemed so underwhelming. I used to defend Heilman all the time, but last season was just terrible. Plus, the guy wants to start, so let him go somewhere he can start. Sometimes, the time comes when a guy just has to leave.
The thing with Schoenweis is the expectations start out much lower than Heilman’s. Heilman was supposed to be a key cog to the pen. Schoenweis is just a LOOGY. Going further, I think there is a general feeling that Schoenweis was misused by Willie. He can’t pitch to righties. Is it really his fault that his manager kept running him out in matchups that most fans knew would end in disaster?
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'd call it "owning"
when Utley has a .992 OPS against Feliciano. Sure, he strikes him out a bunch, but when he doesn’t….
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Utley doesn't have a .992 OPS against Feliciano
What I posted was OBP/SLG/OPS though I just realized that it probably looks like AVG/OBP/SLG.
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
would you have preferred: Disaster Supinated?
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 12, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOOT!
Can’t wait to see Reyes hit an inside-the-parker over his head in Citi Field.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Dec 12, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes
and have him point his finger skyward as he runs around the bases!!!
by Endys Game on Dec 12, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is really weird to me though
That supposedly there were like 4-5 teams chasing after Ibanez, and yet no interest in Dunn or Burrel and limited interest in Bradley. I could understand if NL teams weren’t interested in Dunn or Burrel because of their defense but then why would they want Ibanez?
Also MetsTailgate, I would figure they would get around the same or less because of their supposedly being less interest in them, but obviously I have no idea. Nothing ever makes sense in baseball free agency to me.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
That the Phillies would not offer Burrel arbitration only to turn around and give Ibanez a more expensive deal.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the interest in Ibanez
is based on “intangibles” and likeability more than talent.
by DoctorK16 on Dec 12, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes the phils
just through Ibanez on the pile…their collection of great character guys.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Things are pretty upside down if Ibañez is setting the market for corner outfielders. Is it because he looks athletic? Would have to think Dunn and Burrell would command bigger deals, but there’s not much chatter on either…wouldn’t it be lovely to swoop in and sign Adam Dunn for 3/30?
by Patrick Clark on Dec 12, 2008 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we'll sign Dunn
We should, but I don’t think the Mets are willing to take the heat for signing a guy that will 180K times and bat .250 from the non sophisticates in the press.
by DoctorK16 on Dec 12, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
The NY sportswriters will be all over Omar for signing a .240 hitter with a lot of strikeouts, and point out that Philly got .290-hitting/character guy/hard-working Raul Ibanez when the Mets should have. Ugh.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are both right
and it’s a shame. If Dunn can be had for 3 years, $30 million that’s a must sign (unless they’ve spent and spent on starting pitching).
by James Kannengieser on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Couldn’t agree more! Get Dunn even if it costs $36mm over 3 years. Then next year we are not on the market for a 1b and Murphy slips into LF/RF as needed.
by scott from peekskill on Dec 12, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez
To be fair, he’s not awful. He’s a pretty good hitter, and Sky had him almost exactly as valuable, overall, as Adam Dunn last year. The biggest problems with Ibanez are his defense, his age and the compensation issue. A team could do far worse than Ibanez, actually, but considering that Burrell, Dunn and Ramirez are all available and each is more desirable than Ibanez for one reason or another (or many), I simply can’t see any reason to sign the lawn dart.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
park and league adjustments?
I had quick-checked respective wOBAs for 08: Ibanez, .356; Dunn, .383…is it that those numbers are unadjusted?
by Patrick Clark on Dec 12, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
wOBA is not league- or park-adjusted, as far as I know. Sky’s rankings, which are based on Justin Inaz’s Total Value Estimates, are league- and park-adjusted.
For runs scored, Great American Ballpark had a park factor of 1.069; SafeCo was .932. GAB was 14.7% easier to score runs in. Chase Field was 1.135, or 21.8% easier to score runs in than SafeCo.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
Sky’s messed up his Dunn calculation a bit because he didn’t include Dunn’s numbers with Reds or something like that. Not a big difference but I believe it put Dunn in the top 10 and distanced himself from Ibanez…maybe he’ll stop by and clear this up.
by Sokojoe on Dec 12, 2008 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I just checked Justin’s spreadsheet and he has 32 runs for Dunn in Cinci and another 12 in Arizona. Sky had just the 32, so he shorted him 12 batting runs. However, he also didn’t count the -8.5 defensive runs Dunn was worth in Arizona, or the -2.4 positional adjustment runs, so in the end we’re only talking about an extra run that Sky didn’t include.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not awful
But there are such better options (age/money/compensation-wise) out there that it was driving us all nuts when the talk was Ibanez and only Ibanez. I’m sure Ibanez will enjoy hitting in Citizen’s Bank Bandbox, and I’m sure the NY media will get all over Omar at some point this season about “missing the boat” on this guy.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better options
I really don’t think this team needs to focus so much on another bat. They should be pouring their resources into the rotation.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind seeing them take a flier on Baldelli. He’s still pretty young and wouldn’t have to play everyday with Murphy and Church on the corners. He could also spell Beltran in center. Now that they know what his exact health issue is, they might be able to manage it and he could go on to be a productive ballplayer.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about both?
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great.
But I’m trying to be reasonable.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason a lot of us would like them to add a bat
Is to provide some insurance for Delgado, and to provide some sort of long-term power option to replace Delgado.
Also I’m not sure it’s not reasonable to expect them to be able to afford a bat and a pitcher. They have another 33 million coming off the books next year so why not take the opportunity now to fill some long-term question marks, instead of waiting till next season when they don’t know who’s going to hit FA and who won’t.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.
And like I said, I would love another bat (my preference would be Dunn), but I think the starting rotation and the bullpen (still) are higher on the “needs” hierarchy.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I never listen to talk radio
Joe and Evan on WFAN in the last 5 minutes were saying what a great signing Ibanez is and that Burrell is garbage. Also said they’d take Eric Byrnes in a second. Joe wants Manny badly but won’t give him more than 2 years. Brilliance.
Only bothers me cause I know people listen to this rubbish and believe it.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 12, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Terrestrial radio?
That’s so early 2000’s.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Burrell really that much better than Ibanez?
Burrell’s career OPS+ is 119, while Ibanez’s is 113. Obviously if you’re going to sign one of these guys the one you want is Burrell because he is younger, but some of the comments would have you think the Phillies are letting Manny walk to sign Daryl Hamilton.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point
Burrell is pretty similar to Ibanez all around, except for age and he’s a righty. And he wasn’t offered arbitration. So praising the Ibanez signing while simultaneously trashing Burrell is just silly.
Projected wOBA (Marcel):
Burrell – .369
Ibanez – .344
by James Kannengieser on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
But my point is that a lot of commenters here trash Ibanez while yearning for Burrell. I don’t want Ibanez because of his age and because he’s LH, but that doesn’t mean he’s terrible.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I thought most people were opposed to Burrell around here, for any number of reasons. I was under the impression we were more of an “Adam Dunn or Bust” crowd.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I haven't read enough threads.
Call it a mistake of a small sample size ;)
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, I don't think that's really true
in fact, an RH hitter like Burrell might be a better fit for our lineup if you consider that Delgado and Church and Schneider are likely starters at this point. still rather have Dunn though.
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer Dunn because of the power numbers and being 3 years younger
But I’m not opposed to Burrel.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only opposed to Burrell because I dislike the guy
Baseball-wise, I would see it as not a terrible signing. I just don’t like the guy.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
R u Kidding me?
I saw the Mets play in Philly when Burrell was slumping…slumping deep. THe fans were killing him! We think we are hard on Heiman, Burrell was booed like he had just smacked a baby over the head with a bat then taken a dump on Chase Utley! THe fans were vicious.
However, the point is, he slumped very badly for 2 extended periods either side of his hot streak.
SAY NO TO PAT THE BAT!!!!!
by scott from peekskill on Dec 12, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, so...
we should say no to him because he has slumps? doesn’t just about every player have slumps from time to time?
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most people trash Ibanez here
not because they think he’s a bad player, but because of other factors (arbitration, availability of similar players who weren’t offered arbitration, age). Most people here would agree that he is certainly not “terrible”.
See Eric’s comment above titled “Ibanez: To be fair he’s not awful”.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 12, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I knew the FAN had gone downhill but I think at this point, basically games and Steve Somers are the only worthwhile things on there.
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me glad I live in the city now and rarely drive
by ams258 on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, after Wayne and the narrow misses of the last 2 years
I’m not sure the games are worthwhile anymore either
by ams258 on Dec 12, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh Steve Somers?
seriously? He’s my all-time least favorite radio personality, and I live in a city with some of the most obnoxious radio broadcasters around (DC)
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it probably helps that he and I are both huge Rangers fans
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somers is great,
all the way back to the Captain Midnight days. He really is just about all I care to listen to on the FAN anymore when I’m in the NYC area.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah
yea, see I’m an Islanders fan (::puts bag over head::)
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that makes sense then
the Schmooz isn’t big on the Icelanders
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And their cursed Nassau County Mausoleum
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny's deal?
What is he asking for? 4y/$85M? more?
He might have really mis-calculated because of the economy.
by mmxii on Dec 12, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny is a great hitter...
BUT, who knows when his skills leave him? Do you want to risk all the cash he is asking for on Manny?
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he helps us win a World Series
yes. If not, no. Of course, that’s a question that couldn’t be answered till after the deal is over.
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
remember, the Mets and Yanks play by different rules than most teams. We could sign Manny and not have it totally cripple us if he sucked.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
look, I’d LOVE for them to sign Manny. I think with him on the roster, the Mets would have to choke harder than 2007 to not win the division. I just don’t see it happening, unfortunately.
by cjmulrain on Dec 12, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're going to spend...
I’d rather them spend it on elite starting pitching. Give me Sheets, Lowe, Burnett, etc. over Manny.
by SQUAD on Dec 12, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Burrell!
If he’s on our team and not theirs, we get at least 2 wins more next year. :-)
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
by ZaBlanc on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
24% on Rotten Tomatoes for Day the Earth Stood Still
Can’t say I’m surprised. Seems like a pointless movie to make.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 12, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I watched the original last night
That was a good movie. Doesn’t really strike me as something that will be “improved” with Keanu Reeves and crazy explosions.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there much that is "improved" by Keanu?
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bill and Ted Duo-logy
Say what you want about Keanu, he was perfect in Bill and Ted.
by Sokojoe on Dec 12, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soko took the words right out of my mouth
I would also add “Point Break” to that list.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Plus extra credit must be given to Keanu for declining to do Speed 2: The Boat that Couldn’t Stop
by Sokojoe on Dec 12, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was called "the bus that couldn't slow down"
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sokojoe is right
The sequel had an out-of-control boat (OMG, it was actually subtitled “Cruise Control” not kidding). “The bus that couldn’t slow down” was the first one, and the highlight of sandra bullock’s career (up there with Miss Congeniality 2: ARMED AND FABULOUS OMGx2)
appreciate the simpsons reference though
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like Speed 2, only with a bus instead of a boat!
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed that movie
I was busy reading Billy and the Clonosaurus
by ams258 on Dec 12, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that Shakespeare thing was good
as least it was better than Mel Gibson as Hamlet
by mmxii on Dec 12, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think I remember Mel Gibson accurately
and he didn’t say that. That Polonius guy did.
by JoshNY on Dec 12, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
‘Clueless’ reference.
Rudd = god.
by Eric Simon on Dec 12, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Pure Comedy. I don’t think anyone has been this despised since Hitler.
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 12, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(deep breath)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Dec 12, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that video will never not be funny
unless, of course, he had ended up on the Mets. then it would have become very, very depressing.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HURRAH!
This has made my day. No no no to Raul Ibanez. Excellent. Addition by non-addition. I like that even better than addition by subtraction.
by deadspy3 on Dec 12, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also, addition by division
wOOt!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Contract alert! A.J. Burnett to Yanks - 5 / $82.5
Preliminary agreement for A.J. Burnett going to Yanks. (Jesus, I hope I don’t get burned on this like I did the ESPN / Braves / Burnett story).
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3765754
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 12, 2008 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Forget Marquis, Scho is now our Ibanez specialist
time to get Lowe.
by Sam Page on Dec 12, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That is an absurd amount of money the Skanks have spent on pitching (so far). I honestly can’t believe AJ Burnett got that many years/dollars. Wow.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Mets have enough money to acquire Peavy?
Would it be worth it?
by OVERALLSPORTSFAN on Dec 12, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have more than enough money
It’s whether we have the prospects/playuers. Which we likely do but it would wipe effectively whipe us out of youth likely.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Whether Peavy actually wants to come here, which he apparently does not.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 12, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he's the one guy money can't buy?
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 12, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy and Ibanez are both lower to midshelf
musical instrument companies. I think everyone should know that.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the instruments and amplfiers they make are stuff that you ought to use
…to start a bonfire.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Dec 13, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to keep me warm while i strum my Paul Reed Smith
actually i have had some ibanez-not so bad.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 13, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thank God.
I was sure Omar was going to grab Raul and now Burnett won’t be a Brave. Good day for me.
by losangelesmets on Dec 12, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If marcus thames gets non-tendered
Do you think he becomes our top target? I know I heard reports before the season, and some beofe the deadline, about us being interested in him.
by Gina on Dec 12, 2008 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And also Chris Capuano is worth a look IMO
by deadspy3 on Dec 12, 2008 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mets continue to clean house. Schoeneweis, gone.
by OVERALLSPORTSFAN on Dec 12, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stupid real life
Keeping me from celebrating not getting Ibanez.
Probably my favorite quote:
If you’re the mets aren’t you celebrating that there’s a worse GM than Minaya running your only real competition for the division?
Yes. Yes we are.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 13, 2008 1:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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