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Mets Like Wolf, Wolf Likes Mets


Year IP tRA+
2003 200.0 101
2004 136.2 100
2005 80.0 79
2006 56.2 83
2007 102.2 111
2008 190.1 98

At least ostensibly, the Mets have been showing interest in staggeringly unsexy free agent lefty Randy Wolf, most recently of the Astros (and Padres). Marty Noble, by way of a folded note he intercepted in Mrs. Stephenson's third-period geometry class, passed word of the Mets' fancy to Wolf himself, who promptly blushed and pulled closed his hoodie just as tightly as he could.

Before posting a 3.57 ERA in 70.2 innings with the Astros last season after coming over in a deadline deal with the Padres, Wolf hadn't notched a park-adjusted ERA better than the league since 2004 and he hasn't pitched more than 200 innings since 2002 (I cheated a bit, because he had an ERA+ of exactly 100 in 2005 and threw exactly 200 innings in 2003). To be fair, he was actually pretty good with the Dodgers in 2007, recording a FIP of 3.99 and a tRA+ of 111, but there really hasn't been anything else to write home about in about a half-decade.

The two important questions Mets fans should be asking themselves are:

  1. Are the Mets really interested in Randy Wolf, or are they feigning interest to drive down the price of more desirable starters like Derek Lowe, Ben Sheets and Oliver Perez?
  2. If the Mets really are interested in Wolf, do they see him as a middle-of-the-rotation guy, or a back-of-the-rotation guy?

I'm not so worried about #1, unless of course #2 doesn't break the way I'm imagining it will. Let's assume that the Mets are actually keen on signing Wolf, irrespective of their desire to sign someone else (i.e. and e.g. they might want Wolf AND Lowe), what role do they actually expect Wolf to fill on their 2009 roster? He has a checkered injury history, and even when healthy he hasn't exactly been a workhorse. More importantly, I think, is that he isn't really talented enough to be a mid-rotation starter. If he can be something like an average pitcher (or even a bit worse), that's not so bad for a team's fifth starter. Most teams have sheer dreck manning that spot, so anything remotely competent and moderately consistent would qualify as a leg up on the majority of the league.

Nevertheless, I have to think that Omar Minaya is setting his sights higher than Perez, Wolf and maybe Jon Niese to round out the rotation. Even if John Maine is healthy, re-signing Perez and inking someone like Wolf doesn't represent any kind of meaningful upgrade over the Mets' rotation from 2008. And if that's the plan, then, well, !@#$ the heck? Mets starters had the fifth-best ERA in the National League last year, to go along with the sixth-best FIP. Those aren't terrible by any stretch, but I think we'll all agree that there's some room for improvement. While Pelfrey could be better in 2009, Johan Santana probably won't be, Wolf almost certainly won't be, and who knows what to expect from Maine and Perez?

I think the salient point to take away from all of this rambling is that the Mets are in a position, again, to compete for a division title, and there are still starting pitchers out there that can make a real difference to the team in 2009. Why diddle around with someone who represents a marginal upgrade at best when you have the opportunity and, presumably, the wherewithal, to shoot the moon and do something that will have a substantial and measurable impact on team success next year and beyond?

Poll
Should the Mets sign Randy Wolf?
Yes, in any capacity.
46 votes
Only as a fifth starter.
219 votes
Not under any circumstances.
71 votes

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can I qualify my vote

“only as a 5th starter if they sign Lowe or Sheets” – I don’t want them to sign Ollie and Wolf, for instance.

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 8:53 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

only as a #5

It would be fine to slot Wolf in at #5…it’s an expensive team built to win now and if it makes Omar feel better to have a known quantity at the back of the rotation, that doesn’t drive me nuts. (Given Wolf’s injury history, he wouldn’t be my choice of security blanket, but nonetheless.) I like Niese, but I don’t have a problem shipping him to Buffalo and having him ready for the odd stretch of big league starts.

By the way, Will Carroll was optimistic about Maine’s prospects for 2009 in his BP chat yesterday…

by patrickcl on Dec 16, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok at #5, I guess

but I’d be more comfortable with the red-letter guys…

I set the over/under on Pulp Fiction references for games he starts at 10.

FJM may be gone, but F#$% the heck will stand the test of time.

by mmxii on Dec 16, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh

Is Wolf really enough of an upgrade over Niese (or whoever else might emerge from open auditions from the farm system) to justify the $8M or whatever that he’d cost?

by JoshNY on Dec 16, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think wolf would be a slight upgrade over niese

if niese starts the season as the number five starter, i think he might have trouble adjusting to the majors, just like pelfrey did in 2007. better to let niese get more starts in AAA and then have him ready when someone in the rotation gets injured.

by englishgrey on Dec 16, 2008 11:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Granted, Wolf would in all likelihood be an upgrade over Niese

But enough of an upgrade to justify the increased cost? I’m not sure.

by JoshNY on Dec 16, 2008 11:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OT

Phillies re-signed Jamie Moyer to a 2-year deal, meaning he’ll be there till he’s 48. One of the guys over on the Phillies blog told me Moyer said he wants to pitch till he’s 50 – I’m not sure if he’s serious, but that’s crazy.

I looked at his stats, and he’s got 246 wins, and has won 54 games over the past 4 seasons. So basically, if he pitches till he’s 50 and somehow replicates his last 4 seasons, he’ll have exactly 300 wins. Does anyone think he’d get into the Hall of Fame if that happened? I’m not asking whether you think he’s deserving (or would be, in any case), but whether you think the BBWAA would vote him in, considering 300 seems like the biggest lock of any of the “magic numbers” these days (which is kinda strange, considering we’ve had three 300-game winners since the last 3,000 hit guy, and are about to have the fourth, meanwhile there’s nobody active that’s even really close to 3,000 hits.)

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction

I forgot about Raphy Palmeiro, I was thinking Gwynn/Boggs/Ripken were the last 3,000 hit guys,but considering Palmeiro’s, um, pharmaceuticals, I don’t know if he counts. I guess he and Clemens cancel each other out…

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 10:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't imagine anyone here would see Moyer as a HoFer

Sadly, however, I think many of the HoF voters would be dumb enough to say “OK, he’s got 300 so he’s in.” I don’t give that group really any credit at all.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 10:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3000 hits

Griffey has 2680 and will get there if he plays three more seasons. (Which is not a certainty since he’s 38.) Jeter has 2535 and seems odds-on to get there in another three years also. A-Rod is at 2404 and will probably get to 3000 in another four seasons. And then Pujols has 1531 in his first eight seasons (ages 21-28) and doesn’t seem like slowing down, so I’d guess he’ll get to 3000 in 2015 or 2016, assuming he doesn’t get hurt and is actually only 28.

Then after Pujols, the guys who are younger and require more conjecture are Adrian Beltre (29, 1581), Carl Crawford (26, 1111), Miguel Cabrera (25, 1022), and our own Jose Reyes (25, 919). I’m basically ruling out Mark Teixeira (28, 989).

Moyer has tremendous longevity as a slightly-above-average (career ERA+ 106) pitcher. (I mean, he was old when the Red Sox traded him to Seattle in 1996. For Darren Bragg. Who is seven years younger than Moyer and retired four years ago.) I can’t imagine they’d vote him in and continue to exclude Blyleven, but it’s tough to overstate how stupid the HoF voters are.

by JoshNY on Dec 16, 2008 10:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moyer

While I don’t think Moyer’s a Hall of Famer, I think it’s wrong to say he’s “slightly above average.” While it’s true that he’s only posted one season with an ERA+ higher than 115 in the previous five years, he had done so in seven of the previous eight. I can honestly say that if I were composing a list of the best pitchers from 1993-2003, Moyer would make the top 10. That doesn’t merit the Hall of Fame, but it does merit being better than slightly above average.

Here’s the problem with ERA+: the longer you pitch, the worse it becomes. This is true of any rate stat. As you age, all you’re doing is dragging your numbers down. You can’t ignore the tough times, but I don’t feel it’s wrong to weight a player’s prime heavier.

And finally, there’s one thing I can definitively say about Jamie Moyer. He’s unique. By which I mean there’s never been anyone remotely like him, and I feel fairly confident you won’t see anybody like him again. At one point it looked like he wouldn’t be a major leaguer into his 30s. Here he is talking about pitching into his 50s. He did it throwing absolute junk—no fastball, the changeup is barely any slower, the curve is mediocre, all the pitches have limited movement—but did it just hitting his spots and changing speeds the best he could.

The real problem with Moyer is that he’s so different that I almost feel traditional methods of player evaluation will never do him justice. If he wins 300 games after the age of 30, regardless of whether he deserves enshrinement or not, I’ll root for him to get into the Hall.

by Blackfish on Dec 16, 2008 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

You’d say Moyer was one of the top ten pitchers in baseball from 93-03? I mean the guy was no slouch but I don’t think he’s too close to that list, for my money anyway.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would have to agree with you

Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Pedro, Unit, Clemens, Pettite, Mussina, Schilling, Leiter

(that’s not including relievers)

by JoshNY on Dec 16, 2008 6:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is also the first ten names I came up with

scribbled on a note pad that is buried on my desk at work.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 6:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention.

Those guys were pretty damn good in the “roid” era.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 16, 2008 6:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

others with a case

Kevin Brown, David Cone, Hideo Nomo. Plus there were a few guys who had a couple of way more dominant seasons than Moyer, but who didn’t necessarily pitch or pitch well during that whole decade (Mike Hampton, Darryl Kile, Tim Hudson, Denny Neagle). Moyer’s good, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near the Top 10

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 7:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Names

First of all, the whole point of using a longer time frame is to point out how difficult it is to maintain excellence over an extended time period. Kile and Neagle and Hudson and Hampton each had seasons more valuable perhaps than Moyer’s best. But Jamie Moyer put up an ERA 20% better than the league average over that time period. Neagle was 2, Kile 3, Hampton 9, Nomo 13. Hudson was way higher but pitched only half the innings that Moyer did.

For what it’s worth here are the Top 10 pitchers in SNLVAR over the time period, as far as I can easily tell:

Maddux        90.3
Johnson       79.0
Martinez      75.5
Brown         73.1
Glavine       72.5
Mussina       70.0
Clemens       67.2
Schilling     64.2
Appier        56.2
Moyer         53.4

Moyer’s 10th. Now SNLVAR only considers starters, which is chiefly what I was talking about. The next five guys are Al Leiter, David Wells, Chuck Finley, David Cone, and Andy Pettitte.

If you go by RSAA, a stat that measures how much better over an average pitcher a player was in a given season, Moyer is 11th, because Smoltz (rightly) jumps up a few spots, being given credit for his relief seasons.

Is he top-10? Maybe I exaggerated slightly. He’s likely in the Top-12 and certainly in the Top-15. But he’s definitely in the discussion and he’s definitely better than “slightly above average.”

by Blackfish on Dec 16, 2008 7:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see where you're coming from

But of course by choosing 1993-2003 as your time frame you’re cherry-picking his best years, in the same way that the Jack Morris Hall of Fame advocates pick the convenient time interval of “the 1980s” to bolster their case. Pick your time frame from 1988 to 1999 instead and Cone blows him out of the water. Bottom line, Moyer has a career ERA+ of 106, which is slightly above average. (Yes, I know ERA+ isn’t a perfect metric, but it’s something I have easy access to.)

by JoshNY on Dec 16, 2008 11:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm absolutely cherry-picking

But I’m (A) not making a HOF case (nor am I even claiming he was a better pitcher than Cone—he is not), and (B) using a metric far more important than wins to make my argument, unlike the Morris advocates (for example: if Morris had led baseball for 11 years worth of SNLVAR instead of wins, regardless of any cherry-picking, he’d be no-doubt HOFer).

What I’m saying is this: he’s been a better pitcher than his 106 ERA+ for the majority of his career. Looking at an average gives you no clue as to the shape of the player’s career. Take out Moyer’s pre-30 seasons and he’s got an ERA+ that’s probably closer to 112 (just eyeballing it), which, I would hope is better than slightly above average.

I’m not saying those seasons aren’t important, and I won’t say they didn’t cost his teams any games. I’m not saying they should be ignored. But I will say that they contribute to an inaccurate portrayal of who Jamie Moyer’s been for the past 16 seasons, a period of time that is not insignificant.

In one last stab at demonstrating why look at Bruce Sutter and Goose Gossage. Both are HOFers, but I think many would say only Goose actually belongs. Yet, Sutter has an ERA+ 12 points higher, which is not an insignificant number.

So why is Gossage better? Because his ERA+ of 124 is not actually indicative of his career. In a way it is—it’s the average—but it doesn’t explain how good he was when he was good. Gossage’s problem is very similar to Moyer’s, just in reverse. Gossage spent too many years just hanging on for dear life, negatively affecting his career ERA+. Moyer just spent too many years getting established.

by Blackfish on Dec 17, 2008 12:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right, but...

just about every player is going to look a lot better if you only look at his prime and don’t factor in his first few years or his decline years.

by JoshNY on Dec 17, 2008 9:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 11:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Is Schneider that good?

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 16, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Varitek

Schneider 2008 OPS+: 87
Schneider 2008 Age: 31
Schneider 2009 Cost: ~$5 million
Schneider 2010 Cost: $0
Schneider 2011 Cost: $0

Varitek 2008 OPS+: 73
Varitek 2008 Age: 36
Varitek 2009 Cost: ~$8-10 million plus a high draft pick to Boston
Varitek 2010 Cost: ~$8-10 million
Varitek 2011 Cost: ~$8-10 million

by Eric Simon on Dec 16, 2008 12:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

well...

when you put it like that.

The draft pick alone is too much. Damn

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 16, 2008 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure it looks like that

when you only measure tangibles…

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 16, 2008 2:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then he's been entirely too tangible.

PLEASE DON"T LET THE METS CRY “WOLF”!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 17, 2008 3:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only if Uncle Cliffy is unavailable.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 3:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Mets sign Varitek

I will choke myself.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 16, 2008 6:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But he's gritty!

And a grinder! Don’t you guys care about heart??

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 16, 2008 6:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bobby V!

…overrated. Heart, not you. ;-)

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 16, 2008 6:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"chuckle"

thanks for clarifying ken :-)

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 17, 2008 10:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Why the assumption Johan won’t be as good? What did we pay for if 2008 was his peak? He can certainly be as good, if not better. Pelfrey, on the other hand, certainly has a chance of fading, seeing that 2008 was his first breakout year. I certainly thing he will do better, but he has a lot more risk than Johan has.

I’d love to see Lowe here, but the Mets sound stingy with the payroll. Lowe would be far more consistent than Perez. Perez was becoming a dice roll, and that’s not what you want come playoff time.

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 16, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh?

I said that Johan Santana probably won’t be better, not that he’d be worse, and I think that’s a fair assessment.

by Eric Simon on Dec 16, 2008 12:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

I misread that a bit. But, I can still argue that he may be better. :-)

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 16, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just pointing out..

that he’s got miles to go before he sleeps, and miles to go before he sleeps.

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 16, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johan

The expectations from peripherals show that Johan was quite lucky this season and was not nearly as good as his ERA.

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Dec 16, 2008 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd prefer if they signed 1 of Lower/Sheets +Wolf

But if they’re really too cheap for Lowe or Sheets then I imagine Wolf is our next best option.

by Gina on Dec 16, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would Wolf warm up to Hungry Like the Wolf?

Because if he did I’d be more willing to support signing him.

by ams258 on Dec 16, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stalker

Wolfie’s still looking for his Subway Dream Girl, I guess.

Lots of us in Philly point to this game as the point when things started to go south for Randy, culminating in his 2004 Tommy John surgery.

Good guy, I’ve rooted for him since he left, but that’d obviously change if he sets up shop in Queens.

http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?

by WholeCamels on Dec 16, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

I don’t remember that subway story for some reason, but it is hi-larious. Nice to get the perspective of Turk Wendell in that story, too.

by Eric Simon on Dec 16, 2008 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s really too bad what happened to Wolf. He was on his way to a nice “poor man’s Tom Glavine”-ish career. But instead he became Steve Avery.

http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?

by WholeCamels on Dec 16, 2008 12:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I vaguely recall hearing this

Funny stuff.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 16, 2008 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than a 5

Wolf could actually be a real good signing. A similar deal to the one he had this year (base of 4.75, with strong incentives) makes him pretty cheap, and he actually had stronger K/BB numbers than Perez. His fastball velocity was actually up according to fangraphs, always a good sign, and as a flyball pitcher, he could be helped out by Shea/Beltran. I’d like him as a #4, with 3 upside if he’s healthy the whole year.

by yellomellojello on Dec 16, 2008 12:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

fly ball pitchers would probably be awesome at Shea, considering there’s no fences there anymore ;)

by cjmulrain on Dec 16, 2008 3:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shea?!

Did they stop building Citi? Aggghhh! Damned economy!

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 16, 2008 6:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a minute.

If there’s no fences, the outfielders will have all the room they need to catch flyballs.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 16, 2008 6:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's fun until the ball rolls under one of those damn cars

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 17, 2008 3:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derek Bell

can fish it out from his yacht

by cjmulrain on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with the big pants

and the (still ongoing) Operation Shutdown

by JoshNY on Dec 17, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if i had to make a list of things that never ever stop being hilarious

that’d be on it.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 17, 2008 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

itsmets4me

I had no idea what you guys were talking about. so, I thought I would look it up and try to educate myself. after doing a “G” search for ‘Derek Bell big pants’, I found this image. Though it has nothing to do with Derek Bell, it made me laugh out loud. C’mon honey, gimme a break. (Kim Kardashian)

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 17, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

five keeps it alive

for Wolf per Yellomellojello. But I think Lowe or even Sheets gets the Mets a playoff spot. Also what about signing John Smoltz as a swingman, starter who could also be called upon for bullpen duty if someone gets hurt or is ineffective? Offer him more money than the Braves. Reports are that he is healthy and throwing well and there would be little risk as he would not be relied upon as a top tier starter on the team. In other words, he would not be able to repeat the curse of Glavine.

by Endys Game on Dec 16, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops

I forgot Samt posted on this already. Cosign on Smoltz

by Endys Game on Dec 16, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wolf should be a last resort if we can't get Lowe and/or Sheets

He isn’t as special a pitcher as, say, Jamie Moyer.

"When the little children start to speak they once said 'Mama' and 'Papa', but with the fans we got they say the first thing, 'Metsie, Metsie, Metsie'." - Casey Stengel

by Prince on Dec 16, 2008 5:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depending on what Wolfe would sign for

I’d want them to bring him in even if we can get Lowe or Sheets.

by Gina on Dec 16, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO

1. Feigning interest to drive down price of others.
2. If interested, # 5 in the rotation.

  • Wolf hasn’t had an ERA below 4.00 in the past 6 years (unless you count the portion of last year split between Houston and San Diego)

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 16, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wolf-Man

Master of karate… and friendship

by JamesK on Dec 17, 2008 10:37 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for everyone!!

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Dec 17, 2008 12:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I was inspired by Eric's comment that Olerud had the best 3-year run as a Met outside Carlos Beltran to look at a few different Mets, and when I noticed that two of my all-time favorite players (Alfonzo and Strawberry) were kinda screwed by having (relatively)bad seasons in between some really good seasons, I decided to see which Mets had the best 3 seasons, period (non-consecutively). Beltran still comes out on top, but my all-time favorite player Alfonzo comes in 2nd place, and him and Straw are the only two to have three 6.0+ WAR seasons. Also interesting that Hundley comes out ahead of Gary Carter, Cleon Jones almost finishes ahead of Mike Piazza, and Joe McEwing doesn't make the list.

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