Mets 2008 Positional Salary Analysis
I was cruising around the other SB Nation blogs last night, searching desperately (and, at the same time, half-assedly, if you can believe it) for something to write about, when I stumbled upon this post at Brew Crew Ball which linked to this document, which presents the MLBPA breakdown of salary data for 2008. The PDF enumerates player and team salaries in all sorts of ways, for instance by service time (the average ten-year veteran made $7,880,920 last year) or by position (the average designated hitter made $7,506,036 last year; no wonder the MLBPA would never stand for its abolition).
I thought it'd be a neat time-killer to take some of the National League average numbers and juxtapose them with the Mets' expected starters at those positions to see where the Mets are putting their money when it isn't tied up in Ponzi schemes. I say "expected starters" as a hook to get Moises Alou in there as the left fielder, since his salary is a lot more interesting than Fernando Tatis's. Salary data is from The USA Today.
Here we go, then, with the Mets' position players from 2008.
| Position | NL Mean | Met | Salary | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| C | $2,222,788 | Brian Schneider | $4,900,000 | +120.44% |
| 1B | $6,536,261 | Carlos Delgado | $16,000,000 | +144.79% |
| 2B | $4,161,983 | Luis Castillo | $6,250,000 | +50.17% |
| 3B | $4,992,301 | David Wright | $5,250,000 | +5.16% |
| SS | $3,576,680 | Jose Reyes | $4,375,000 | +22.32% |
| LF | $4,564,763 | Moises Alou | $7,500,000 | +64.30% |
| CF | $4,564,763 | Carlos Beltran | $18,622,809 | +307.97% |
| RF | $4,564,763 | Ryan Church | $2,000,000 | -56.19% |
With a team payroll north of $140 million (some $60 million more than the average payroll), one might reasonably expect the Mets to be paying their guys more than most, and certainly more than average in many cases. Other than Ryan Church, who isn't yet eligible for free agency, every Met regular made more in 2008 than the National League average at his position. Carlos Beltran made more than four times the average NL outfielder's salary. I'll note that the MLBPA made no distinction between center fielders and corner outfielders, which is the same bizarre classification that Rawlings makes when it hands out Gold Gloves and that Elias makes when they release their offseason player rankings which are used to determine free agent compensation status.
Strangely, the American League average second baseman made $2,932,360 last year, $1.2 million less than their NL counterparts. That has more to do with a few high-salaried players like Jeff Kent ($9 million), Chase Utley ($7.8 million), Ray Durham ($7.5 million) and Luis Castillo. In fact, second base is the only position in which the National League holds a salary edge. The American League leads everywhere else, and is especially dominant at shortstop ($7.3 million vs $3.6 million), third base ($8.9 million vs $5.0 million) and catcher ($5.3 million vs $2.2 million). This doesn't include the designated hitter, which carries an average salary of $7,506,036.
Here are the Mets' starting pitchers.
| Position | NL Mean | Met | Salary | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| SP1 | $4,606,486 | Johan Santana | $16,984,216 | +268.70% |
| SP2 | $4,606,486 | Pedro Martinez | $11,813,351 | +156.45% |
| SP3 | $4,606,486 | Oliver Perez | $6,500,000 | +41.11% |
| SP4 | $4,606,486 | John Maine | $450,000 | -90.23% |
| SP5 | $4,606,486 | Mike Pelfrey | $1,987,500 | -56.85% |
The MLBPA salary data classifies a starting pitcher as one who made at least 19 starts. The Mets did pretty well for themselves here with the exception of Pedro Martinez. Santana made a ton of money, but few would argue that he didn't earn it. Pelfrey was an absolute steal, as was John Maine, despite the latter's injury problems. Even Oliver Perez earned his money last year, which is probably more than we'll be able to say for any Oliver Perez season in the near future if he lands a free agent contract anywhere near the neighborhood Scott Boras is setting up his lemonade stand.
For comparison, American League starters made $4,215,601 on average last year.
Here are the Mets' relievers.
| Position | NL Mean | Met | Salary | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| RP1 | $1,805,362 | Billy Wagner | $10,500,000 | +481.60% |
| RP2 | $1,805,362 | Aaron Heilman | $1,200,000 | -33.53% |
| RP3 | $1,805,362 | Duaner Sanchez | $850,000 | -52.92% |
| RP4 | $1,805,362 | Luis Ayala | $1,700,000 | -5.84% |
| RP5 | $1,805,362 | Pedro Feliciano | $1,025,000 | -43.22% |
| RP6 | $1,805,362 | Scott Schoeneweis | $3,600,000 | +99.41% |
| RP7 | $1,805,362 | Joe Smith | $398,000 | -77.95% |
These numbers are queered somewhat by the fact that, for whatever reason, the MLBPA lumps all relievers together, instead of distinguishing between "closers" and "everyone else". The result is that the average salary is skewed upward somewhat, that closers will generally make far more than the average reliever, and that most other relievers will appear to have made slightly less, relative to the average, than they would were we to compare their salaries to other non-closers.
Without looking at other teams' bullpen salaries it's hard to tell if the Mets were the exception or the rule, but other than Billy Wagner they really didn't pay their relievers very well. Scott Schoeneweis made twice the league average, but everyone else was below that threshold. To be fair, all of the Mets' relievers aside from Wagner and Schoeneweis were six-and-under guys who were not yet eligible for free agency, the upshot being that one might reasonably expect them to make less money -- in some cases, like Joe Smith, far less -- than their free agent signee equivalents. So, yay for being frugal, but boo for doing it so poorly.
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without doing any research whatsoever
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Wright has to be the best bargain in the league for anyone who’s not still on their rookie salary. He only makes 5% more than the average 3rd basemen, yet is by almost every measure the best 3B in the NL, and 2nd best in baseball (of course, that other guy ain’t exactly a bargain). God, I love David Wright – he can strike out with bases loaded in every big game for the rest of his life and I’ll still love David Wright. Anyone who complains about him is the same type of moron who would have complained about Tom Seaver having a “bad” season in 1974.
by cjmulrain on
Dec 18, 2008 8:26 AM EST
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Hell, why not the whole left side of the infield as a bargain?
Jose and Dub combined make only 12.3% more than the league average for their positions. That makes up for some of the craptacularly overpaid guys we have at, say 2d or C.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 8:52 AM EST
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Omar
Say what you like about Omar, but he managed to lock-in Dub and King Ding-a-Ling on the super cheap. It’ll be a while before the Mets have to shell out 20-mil a year for either of them.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Dec 18, 2008 10:17 AM EST
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Two more names
Evan Longoria and Ryan Braun have contracts that will drive the MLBPA crazy. I’ve got Longoria at 9 years 44 million (with 725,000 going to the Rays Baseball Foundation over the course of the contract) and Braun’s is 8 years and somewhere between 45 and 51 million.
Looks like Wright’s is 6 years 55 million and Reyes’ is 4 years 23.25 million.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
by BlackOps on
Dec 18, 2008 11:28 AM EST
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you know
as I was typing that, I had a feeling that someone was going to bring up Longoria, b/c I remembered that he signed a long-term extension early in the season, but I was too lazy to look up the terms. Didn’t realize Braun also signed for the cheap. Man, Longoria’s contract is (relatively) cheap. I don’t think he’s gonna be quite as good as Wright over the course of his career, but he’s enough cheaper that I might have to consider that the best bargain. Damn…
by cjmulrain on
Dec 18, 2008 11:35 AM EST
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I'm curious
Don’t players have some wiggle room in their contract to go out and get a better deal if they feel they are worth it? For ex: Let’s say after 4 years, Longoria continues to tear it up and feels that he’s worth more than he’s making. Can’t he try and renegotiate? (Forgive my ignorance on contracts)
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 5:12 PM EST
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contracts
was by far my least favorite law school class, so I’m nowhere near an expert (especially sports contracts), but I’m pretty sure that unless there’s an opt-out clause in the contract, Longoria’s pretty much stuck with it till it’s over.
by cjmulrain on
Dec 18, 2008 8:45 PM EST
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That sounds about right
Without knowing the specifics of the collective bargaining agreement, I think the trade-off for the stability of long-term guaranteed contracts in MLB is the inability to engage in NFL-style hold-outs when you want more money. Unless, of course, you have an opt-out clause a la A-Rod or Manny.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 9:00 PM EST
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thanks
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:10 PM EST
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$4.9M!
I say we pay Schneider the league average and use the balance to transform him into some sort of a lobster-like creature.
by mmxii on
Dec 18, 2008 9:07 AM EST
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i'd be willing to over pay schneider
as long as he ends up as some kind of lobster like creature in the end.
by kendynamo on
Dec 18, 2008 12:15 PM EST
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CRAB PEOPLE!
great picture
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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Beltran
Worth every penny.
Also, poor Johnny Maine, only making 450K. But that kind of puts it in perspective: what the hell do you do with your money when you make $12 million per year?
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Dec 18, 2008 9:38 AM EST
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Move out of the Grand Central Parkway Ramada?
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 9:51 AM EST
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No kidding
It’ll be great to see what he buys with his first million. Maybe he’ll start living on a boat and walk to the stadium.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Dec 18, 2008 10:14 AM EST
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and wearing baggy pants?
Operation Shutdown can’t be far off at that point
(Two Derek Bell references in one week? What?)
by JoshNY on
Dec 18, 2008 10:46 AM EST
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Aaaargh!
Pirates and Christmas go together like Ponch and Jon! Keep em coming.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on
Dec 18, 2008 12:47 PM EST
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D-Bell in 2000:
Opening Day – May 21: .360/.429/.554
May 22 – Closing Day: .221/.310/.364
Similar to Ryan Church!! Big Pimpin’ baby
by JamesK on
Dec 18, 2008 12:50 PM EST
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Did I miss D-Bell's concussion that year?
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 1:15 PM EST
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No concussion for D-Bell but look at this:
Ryan Church, 2008:
Opening Day – May 21: .311/.379/.534
May 22 – Closing Day: .241/.313/.342
Not quite as drastic as D-Bell’s dropoff, but both started to suck around the same general time (for different reasons).
by JamesK on
Dec 18, 2008 1:39 PM EST
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Right
Eerie numerical samenesses aside here, don’t you think it is a bit hard on Church to make this comparison? I mean, Bell started out hot and then sucked of his own volition. Church sustained a concussion. We’re not exactly talking apples and apples.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 1:46 PM EST
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Oh yeah agreed
I’m not even trying to make a comparison/correlation. Just a weird coincidence. I wonder though if Church is much better than his final 2008 statline. He finished right in line with his career averages.
Personally I think without the concussions he would’ve regressed from his hot start, but wouldn’t have been nearly as bad down the stretch. I’m thinking a non-concussed Church could’ve put up .285/.360/.480?
by JamesK on
Dec 18, 2008 2:27 PM EST
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Derek Bell
Just thinking of that guy brings a smile to my face. Keep the D-Bell references coming everyone.
by JamesK on
Dec 18, 2008 2:29 PM EST
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Agreed with both this and your above point
Wasn’t sure what you were going for with the comparison but I certainly agree that I didn’t expect Church to keep that going all year even if he had remained healthy.
In the spirit of further comparison, we should find out if Churchy features an eephus pitch in his repertoire.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 2:32 PM EST
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I'll never forget watching him pitch
Don’t know if I’ve ever laughed so hard watching a baseball game. Bell used to carry on conversations with fans in RF during games. Rickey used to do that too… characters.
Remember when Desi Relaford pitched? Guy was throwing gas. I think he threw a clean inning and even K’d someone.
by JamesK on
Dec 18, 2008 2:38 PM EST
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Oh yeah
I recall being at a game in 2000 and watching Bell yak it up with the fans throughout; pre-game, between innings and between pitches. He did a great job of endearing himself to the fans, for a couple of months anyway.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 18, 2008 2:56 PM EST
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Relaford
pitched one inning (the ninth) in a blowout loss to the Padres on May 17, 2001. He struck out relief pitcher Jose Antonio Nunez (who whiffed twice in three career plate appearances), then got Bubba Trammell (who’d homered earlier in the game) and Adam Riggs to fly out to center.
Relaford was 2-4 in the game with a double, a run scored and an RBI, but also made two errors at shortstop.
Gary, Keith and Ron definitely would’ve taken phone calls in the booth if they’d been calling that game.
by JoshNY on
Dec 18, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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other weird things that day
i didn’t watch much baseball in 2000 (wasn’t yet a fan), so i tried to find clips of bell pitching on youtube. no luck, but did find this interesting recount of bell’s pitching adventure. apparently he wasn’t the only non-pitcher to pitch in relief that day in mlb.
by englishgrey on
Dec 18, 2008 4:48 PM EST
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why did pelf make almost $2 million last year?
shouldn’t he be closer to john maine’s salary since he only has about 1 3/4 major league seasons under his belt? or does pelf’s salary have something to do with his signing as first-round draft pick?
it would be interesting for someone to measure the difference between the average league performance at each position and the performance of the mets’ starters at each position, and then compare the players’ performance differential to their salary differential. i’m bad at math, so i can’t possibly do it.
by englishgrey on
Dec 18, 2008 11:07 AM EST
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Pelfrey
He signed a four-year, $5.25 million Major League contract when the Mets drafted him.
by Eric Simon on
Dec 18, 2008 11:16 AM EST
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I've always wondered about that
Does that affect when he’s eligible for free agency and his arbitration numbers?
by Gina on
Dec 18, 2008 1:13 PM EST
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Pelf
It doesn’t affect when he’s available for free agency. His arbitration and free agency years are still dependent on his MLB service time, which is 1+ years now. He has one or two years left before he becomes arbitration eligible, and then has three years of arb eligibility before he becomes a free agent.
by Eric Simon on
Dec 18, 2008 2:20 PM EST
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We make money the old fashioned way. We "Eaaarrrrrnnn" it.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 4:51 PM EST
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As disinclined as I am to agree that people who play sports "earn" their money, I'll still comment because I too, am bored.
This was a very interesting article. Another interesting point of view would have been comparing the mean average of MLB players salaries to the regions (markets) they play in.
Does one region / market have an advantage over another? Has money really been the deciding factor in what region / market can win? Or is it sheer grit, determination, guts and managerial ability that have been the deciding factor in Championship wins?
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 5:08 PM EST
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Regional Earnings Bias
Completely off the top of my head, I would venture that playing in the Northeast is more financially lucrative than playing in any other region, except possibly (though not likely) the West Coast.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 18, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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As witnessed by the nonsense below
…Teixeira talking to Boston for a 8 yr / $176 million deal? In this economy I wonder how big “ballas” like this live with themselves?
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 10:34 PM EST
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apparently the red sox's are out
$176 million is even competitive, according to john henry…i wonder who bid $200 million
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/12/henry_we_are_no.html
by englishgrey on
Dec 18, 2008 11:38 PM EST
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say what!
oh man, i gotta read this!
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 18, 2008 11:40 PM EST
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Supposedly the Nationals Offered 200 million over 10 years.
by Gina on
Dec 19, 2008 12:18 AM EST
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Washingon DC
the home of fiscal responsibility…
by cjmulrain on
Dec 19, 2008 12:50 AM EST
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cmon Omar
400 million over 40 years!!
Get it done!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on
Dec 19, 2008 12:55 AM EST
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you gotta source for that?
I’m talking with Eric at Federal Baseball and he’s not reporting anything like that.
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 19, 2008 12:59 AM EST
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post for is for Gina.
" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 19, 2008 1:00 AM EST
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The Nats? Really?
Do they even have that kind of money?
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 19, 2008 6:44 PM EST
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Actually Yeah They Do
They’re low in revenue cause of their suck not because of lack of fan/population base, adding someone like Tex would probably actually make them money because it would bring fans back. They’re kind of like the Orioles, who were a big market team back when they were awesome, except they’ve never been awesome, but they’re in an area where they have that kind of revenue potential.
Although apparently I was wrong they haven’t offered him 200 million over 10 years.
by Gina on
Dec 19, 2008 8:08 PM EST
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I think it's safe to say
that no one knows what’s going on with the Teixeira deal. People are holding their cards extremely close to their chest. How some small piece of information has not been leaked by “sources” is quite baffling. I guess that Washington D.C. (keeper of the secrets) is doing quite a nice job keeping this deal a secret.
" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 19, 2008 10:11 PM EST
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Yeah, it's really unusual
how little information has gotten out. The only thing I’ve heard is that the Red Sox dropped out of the bidding after someone outbid them. Haven’t heard who supposedly made the offer, though. Makes you wonder if the money isn’t there this year. If teams really were throwing piles of cash at Tex, you’d expect Boras to be leaking terms.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 20, 2008 12:30 AM EST
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I'm beginning to wonder if the problem with the deal is coming down to years vice
Money.
Is Boras asking for 8 or 10 years? Does any team want to commit to ANYONE for ten years? Hmmm. It sure will be interesting to see what was going on behind the scenes when this deal gets done.
" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes
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