Andruw Jones to Mets? Don't worry, just talk...right now.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 29, 2008 7:11 PM EST Comment 29 comments

As I was driving into work today I listened to Rob Dibble and his sidekick "Stern on XM's The Show (Ch. 175) @ 5:32pm EST, jabbering on about baseball and economics. (It actually was a dang good discussion). As they were going to a break, Stern (perhaps) a Mets fan had just received a report from Buster Olney (ESPN) that the Mets were talking w/the Dodgers about a possible trade for Andruw Jones. Luckily for me, my swerving didn't kill anyone in the immediate vicinity or damage my hoopty!

After they came back from the break (I can just picture you guys frantically reading this) Stern reported that the Mets are 'apparently' looking to move Castillo for Jones. The reasoning? 1st, That the Mets would rather eat up the Jones contract for one year than eat the Castillo contract over a period of three. 2nd, this would free up the 2nd base position for Murphy and / or O. Hudson (if he were to be acquired).

Dibble and Stern stated that this is basically trading garbage for garbage. Well, my question is (and what the report asks), why would the Dodgers want Castillo? They're going to have to pay him lots of money "not to play" because they have DeWitt (purportedly mad upside) able to play that position. Do the Dodgers want to get rid of Jones that bad that they're willing to pay for someone (over three years) not to play? Anyone want to take this on? Story linked below:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3798671

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I feel like

we’d be better off with Castillo at 2nd and someone else in lf than Jones at lf and Hudson at 2nd. Unless they plan on paying Jones 12 million to be a defensive replacement.

by Gina on Dec 29, 2008 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You're out of your mind.

Give me Jones. He’s still a great (GREAT!) defensive outfielder and has much more ability to be a serious addition to our lineup. Even a healthy and productive Castillo doesn’t really give us all that much.

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 30, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's a very good outfielder now I'm not sure he's great

And there’s really little reason to think he’s going to be very much of an offensive option. He had a plus bat for center field in Atlanta, not corner outfielder. Even if he bounces back, which is hard to imagine since he seems to have zero power left and he never was a line drive hitter, we’re still talking about likely less offensive production than what we’d get from Tatis/Murphy. The defense might make it come out even, but I don’t think even is worth the 16 million he’s owed this year, if you subtract Castillo’s 6 million.

by Gina on Dec 30, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is he even a very good outfielder anymore?

Don’t have any numbers in front of me to confirm (famous last words), but the extra weight he’s added the past few seasons probably robbed him of a lot of his range. I don’t know if his arm is still good, but he’d have to hit much, much, much, much, much better to be a passable corner outfielder. Right now, dude needs Hubble just to see average.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 30, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

UZR rates him pretty well

but other metrics I’ve seen have him as pretty poor.

by Gina on Dec 30, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A serious addition to our lineup?

Andruw was a miserable hitter in 2007 and even worse in 2008. His excellent hitting in 2005 and 2006 seem like eons ago. I guess it’s possible that he’ll bounce back but there are better options out there.

by JoshNY on Dec 30, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

i honestly can’t think of anyone in baseball i’d want on my team less than this guy.

by robcast23 on Dec 30, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's see...

There’s Juan Pierre, Raul Ibanez, Neifi Perez (doesn’t look like he’s retired yet), Marlon Anderson, and Jose Lima. Oh, and Derek Jeter. I just hate that dude.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 30, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bobby, you know better...

We don’t mention that name around here. When we do, this happens:

"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Braden Looper's available

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Dec 31, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

really?

you’d rather have fat andruw jones than raul ibanez? even juan pierre isn’t as bad as jones…

by robcast23 on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

I think Raul Ibanez has become a little too much of a running joke. He’s a terrible fielder, we all know, and on the wrong side of 35, but he’s a pretty good hitter, which is more than we can say for Andruuuuuuu at this stage in his career.

Plus he’s got the body of a 25-year-old!

by JoshNY on Dec 31, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that one's more of a joke

I’d take Ibanez at this stage of his career over Andruw. Although only for 1 year.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 31, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Andruw? Eh

I’d rather have Griffey or someone else who can hit with some regularity. But obviously the Dodgers will eat the vast majority of his contract…

"When the little children start to speak they once said 'Mama' and 'Papa', but with the fans we got they say the first thing, 'Metsie, Metsie, Metsie'." - Casey Stengel

by Prince on Dec 29, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

Griffey is preetttyyy bad

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Dec 30, 2008 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

update...thank god

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081229&content_id=3729835&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 29, 2008 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thank you Jeebus.

I’d rather have Castillo anyway. Yeah, he’s got lots of deficiencies, but at least he gets on base. And it’s not like we have another highly-paid second baseman already.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 30, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And just think...

I thought I wouldn’t find anything on google images with Jeebus. Wonders never cease.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's awesome

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Dec 30, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is there anything you don't get a

GIS hit on, Lou?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 30, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chances are

If there’s a word, there’s an image. The discipline is deciding on whether or not displaying the image within the blog is worthy of our fine opiners. More times than not, I’d say no.

To be quite honest, i wasn’t sure how people were using “Jeebus”. Were people just using it as a play on words for Jesus or was it some mystical god with a zany figurine as its idol. After a few pages of a “Jeebus” search, I just decided to post what I felt was most artistic. …And, voila!

"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a Simpsons reference.

In “Missionary: Impossible”, Homer gets sent on a missionary mission, despite his protestations that “I don’t even believe in Jebus.”

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 31, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would do the Andrew for Castillo

Andruw is only signed for this year, and bound to not suck as bad as he did last year. It beats watching three more years of Castillo.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 29, 2008 10:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Glad to hear this is not happening

I’d like to see Castillo gone, but not for Andruw, unless he comes with a
Wayback Machine.

by erich10031 on Dec 30, 2008 2:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

couldn't resist. (man, this is when cartoons were cartoons)

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

idk

i’d love to see castillo gone but i have 2 issues with such a deal.

1: obviously the first is that andruw jones isn’t a major league player anymore. even if he improved on last season he’d still be A LOT worse than what murphy/tatis or church gives us.

2: i know i’m in the minority on this one but i’m starting to feel that orlando hudson is getting overrated. don’t get me wrong, hes definitely a good player but hes only played over 150 games once in his career. hes also known for his defense but just about every defensive metric places him near the bottom of the league. and i don’t know if hes THAT good offensively that i would both give him the 4yr deal that he wants and take on andruw jones.

my alternative: hold onto castillo, after a season his value will go up because theres less years left on the contract and because he’ll improve, he can’t really play worse than he did. in fact i have some faith that he’ll at least be able to get on base some and provide steady defense which is ok for ’09 as long as the other mets hit. then you deal castillo for less of an albatross (maybe even an asset!) and you sign brian roberts who is slated to become a free agent after this season. roberts is very similar to hudson, same age, good clubhouse guy, bats around .290-300, good OBP, good D but he offers a bit more pop and about 30 more steals.

by robcast23 on Dec 30, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree 100% about Hudson

Maybe if he was willing to sign for 7-8 million for like 2-3 years I would be okay with signing him, but definitely not for whats being reported. And I definitely wouldn’t want to take on someone as bad as Jones was last year just so we could sign him since I feel like that makes us a worse team overall.

although I’m pretty sure +/- and PMR rate Hudson pretty well, or at least average. It’s all the ratings that involve zone that have him as near the bottom of the league. Which is weird.

by Gina on Dec 30, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

defense

the way i see it hes a solid defender with an above average ability to make the spectacular play.

by robcast23 on Dec 30, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm I feel at this point if we can’t move Castillo for something of better or equal value then we should just keep him and let him try and increase his value because it can’t be much worse.
No Anrduw Jones unless LA pay 75% of his wage and then only use him as a defensive replacement.

by Ohpityme on Jan 3, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs