What to do with Dan Murphy
My first time posting here, though I’ve been lurking for a little while; I’ve been thinking about Mike Newman’s excellent post on the Daniel Murphy Dilemma, and since I already have a SB Nation account, I thought I’d post some related thoughts here.
I think Murphy lies at the heart of the problem for the Mets’ off-season. Heading into the Winter Meetings, Omar Minaya’s priorities seem to be a closer, and a starting pitcher to slot in behind Santana-Maine-Pelfrey. That sounds about right to me, and while I’d love to add a power-hitting corner outfielder to the shopping list (say, Adam Dunn at 3 years and $45 million, with the idea that Dunn could slide over to 1B for 2010 in the event that Delgado departs at the end of his contract), this may be prohibitively expensive: whether it’s Fuentes, at 3 years and $33 million, or K-Rod, at 4 years and $60 million, plus Oliver Perez, AJ Burnett, Derek Lowe, or some lesser talent, signing a closer and a starting pitcher is going to eat up all the space that was cleared when Pedro and Moises Alou came off the books. While there may be a trade out there to bring in a leftfielder, I’m not so bullish on Minaya’s chips (outside of Fernando Martinez, the attractive talents are at lower levels; I may be wrong, but I don’t think Eddie Kunz, Mike Carp, and Jon Niese buy you much). Practically speaking, Murphy is the likely, best candidate for everyday leftfielder.
That said, I am with Newman all the way on this: I think the Murphy to Rusty Greer comp is spot on, and if my eyes believe that Murphy can be consistently above-average, if not quite star-level, in leftfield, my brain is pretty sure it’s not going to happen all at once. After all, Murphy’s .313/.397/.473 debut was built on a .386 BAPIP; and if Murphy’s improving walk rate (12.9 at A+ in 2007; 10.2 at AA, and 8.3 with the Mets in 2008) and ISO (.145 in ’07; .188 at AA and .160 with the Mets in ’08) are positive indicators, neither his amateur-pedigree nor past performance indicate that Murphy is ready to replicate his 2008 numbers over the course of a full season. This brings us to what I see as the Murphy Dilemma: due to (probable) financial restraints, and to a lesser degree, a desire to foster Murphy’s development, the 2009 Mets, like the 2008 Mets before them, will be fielding mediocrities at C, 2B, LF, and RF. (Of course, the Mets can count on very good to elite production from 1B, 3B, SS, and CF; to those who think the Mets should sell-out to win now, I would remind that the Wright-Reyes-Beltran-Santana core should be together through 2011.)
If only Murphy could play a passable 2B! Because, wow, is that Castillo contract ugly; the Mets are on the hook for 3 years and $18 million, and at that length and that number (and Castillo’s lack of production), I have a hard time believing the contract is moveable. If it was one, or even 2 years, perhaps you could pawn him off on a second division club who wanted to make a show of respectability; otherwise, you’re talking a swap of bad contracts. I thought Newman’s Zito/Castillo deal was interesting; Andruw Jones might be interesting too, but neither of those moves supplies a 2B for 2008. Unfortunately, the prevailing wisdom is that Murphy’s glove doesn’t play at second, and if Florida was able to let Dan Uggla learn on the job, the Mets don’t have the luxury of low expectations. Like slotting Murphy into left, Castillo at 2B is a bitter pill to swallow, and yet it may be the right play: you hope that he comes in healthy and in better shape, and that he can give you good OBP and solid defense; if it doesn’t work out, he’s sunk cost.
What I want to suggest it that the Mets should nonetheless try Murphy at second in a platoon: when flyball pitchers Santana (2008 G/F 1.08) and Maine (.99) are on the mound, play Murphy at 2B and Endy Chavez at LF; with a groundball pitcher like Pelfrey (1.62), play Castillo or Argenis Reyes at 2B and Murphy in LF. By no means do I think this is a revolutionary idea: it’s the kind of thing the Strat-minded are wont to suggest, and the kind of thing that most front offices and field managers are loathe to consider. And yet, while I don’t see a whole lot of production on the Mets bench, there is a fair amount of positional versatility. Minaya, for his various missteps, has been a pretty creative wheeler-dealer, but it would be nice to see the Mets see if they could find some value by employing creativity on the field.
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Hey
Welcome to the site. It was a good read, I had not thought about using Murphy in sort of a platoon deal splitting him with the type of pitcher on the mound. As for his BABIP, I don’t know if this was previously linked here or not, but here is a piece from fangraphs about a month old asking the same question: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/can-daniel-murphy-survive-babip-drop
It’s short but helps answer the question.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
by BlackOps on
Dec 3, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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Nice job. I’ve been advocating simply handing the second base job to Murphy regardless of how badly he may or may not be defensively there. Defense is hugely important, but unless Castillo comes back in incredible shape, there’s nothing I saw from him last year that would support giving him playing time over Murphy.
by Eric Simon on
Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM EST
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IMO
If he’s not going to be used as an every day player, or at least getting a significant number of bats, he should be in AAA playing at second.
by Gina on
Dec 4, 2008 11:21 AM EST
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The Castillo conundrum
Sadly, it looks like Castillo is going to be here next year. This puts the Mets in a tough spot. If you put a Murphy/Reyes platoon in, Castillo will never get a chance to raise his trade value. If Castillo plays and stinks, his trade value drops even lower making it harder to move his contract. If he plays and actually plays well, would you really want to move him and replace him with an untested player at 2B?
Unless the Mets are prepared to eat the contract (I would support this) Castillo will play. In that case, I say left Murphy get some experience at AAA and lets make a play for a legit LF. (Not Raul Ibanez)
by Reg Dunlop on
Dec 4, 2008 5:39 PM EST
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AAA
If it were feasible, I could definitely get behind Murphy spending half or even most of the season in AAA playing 2B. PR-wise, I don’t think the Mets have the balls to take a guy who hit really well in limited action as a rookie and do something unconventional with him.
by JoshNY on
Dec 5, 2008 11:08 AM EST
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Right. Some AAA makes sense if it is part of a transition to second base, but otherwise, I think his bat and his versatility are too useful. Even if we sign a corner outfielder, Murphy can be pinch hit, play a little first, a little left field, maybe a spot start at third…
As far as experimentation goes, I think you’re right, though my recollection is that Manuel wasn’t quite as rigid as Willie. Also, it’s not so long ago we tried Piazza at first base…a different set of circumstances, but worth noting…
by patrickcl on
Dec 5, 2008 3:51 PM EST
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It will be useful next year
But in the long-run I’d imagine he’d be much more useful playing for us at second. It’s much much easier to find/produce 4th outfield/super utility guys than it is to find/produce 2b basemen. And as our right now we have no long-term answer to second base and there’s not really anyone available who’ll be more than a stop gap.
by Gina on
Dec 5, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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Piazza
Well, yeah, but we didn’t send him down to AAA to learn to play 1B.
Did we actually try to have him learn it at all, or just throw him in there?
by JoshNY on
Dec 5, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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Piazza
I think he just got some reps at first during spring training, and then got thrown out there. Like Hundley in LF. Man, those guys were terrible in the field.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 5, 2008 6:09 PM EST
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I remember I had the game Front Page Sports Baseball
from like 1999 or thereabouts, which at the time was by FAR the best combination statistical/graphical baseball game on the market (and to be honest, it might still be, 10 years later.) Anyway, in the instruction manual (which was like 150+ pages), it had a section about how you could play players out of position, and they’d gradually learn the position, but they wouldn’t be very good at first. The manual said something to the effect of: “for example, if you have two good catchers on your team, you could play one of them in left field. Of course, we all saw that this doesn’t work out very well.” It was pretty funny that Todd Hundley’s ineptitude in the field made it into a video game manual.
by cjmulrain on
Dec 5, 2008 8:09 PM EST
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Nick Evans?
What if we taught Nick Evans to play 1B/OF and then converted Murphy to strictly a 2B? But don’t forget about Mike Carp, a potential 1B of the future.
by krg391 on
Dec 5, 2008 5:47 PM EST
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the problem
is whether murphy can be converted.
by patrickcl on
Dec 6, 2008 1:36 PM EST
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I don't think thats the problem
I think it’s whether the front office will give him a serious chance to convert.
by Gina on
Dec 6, 2008 2:06 PM EST
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Conversion
You think it’ll take? We are already calling him the Hebrew Hammer; it’d be nice if that were accurate. Or do you think the Scientologists will get him?
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 6, 2008 2:20 PM EST
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Irish Hammer
Ryan Braun is the Hebrew Hammer.
by Sam Page on
Dec 6, 2008 5:42 PM EST
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I hope one day
there’s a Hassidic Hammer. Seeing a ballplayer that looks like this:
would be just fantastic. And only slightly more improbable than one who looks like David Wells.
by cjmulrain on
Dec 6, 2008 7:46 PM EST
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If it's the beard you admire
I can’t speak for baseball, but cricket had W.G. Grace back in the day:

Dr. Grace rocked that beard his whole career.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 6, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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that is a pretty awesome beard
A few of the baseball old-timers (19th Century days) had some pretty awesome facial hair too. I’m also a fan of the sweet curls (I know they have a term for it, but I can’t think of it right now) that Hasidics (Hasidim?) are required to have. I think the most interesting question if such a person were to make the majors is what they would do for their hat: baseball has pretty strict rules about wearing approved caps, and I’m pretty sure their religion also has strict rules about what types of headwear they can wear. It would be kinda sad if the next Hank Greenberg couldn’t play in the majors b/c he refused to wear a team cap…
btw, some people might think I’m being sarcastic, which I sorta am, but I’m also genuinely curious. The whole “Sandy Koufax wouldn’t pitch on the Sabbath even in the World Series” thing always intrigued me, and I wondered what would happen with someone who had even stricter religious beliefs.
by cjmulrain on
Dec 7, 2008 12:27 AM EST
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sideburns
Peyes. They’re called peyes. If the Hasidic Hammer hit a Hebrew homer it could be a “Peyes Payoff.”
by anonymous on
Dec 7, 2008 10:35 PM EST
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I think it would be awesome...
If Jose Reyes grew some Reyes Peyes.
by JoshNY on
Dec 8, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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Bobby:
Murph got exempted from the “Hebrew Hammer” tag because he was already the Irish Hammer. Everyone else on the Mets is the Hebrew Hammer.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 6, 2008 6:04 PM EST
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He got exempted?
Don’t remember that. I thought they all were the Hebrew Hammer.
by BobbyV_Incognito on
Dec 6, 2008 8:51 PM EST
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Yeah, we did that
Church also got an exemption because of, uh, you know.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Dec 6, 2008 8:57 PM EST
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