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Ben Sheets Or Oliver Perez?

Derek Lowe is the best remaining free agent starting pitcher. Many people still debate whether Oliver Perez or Derek Lowe should be the Mets main target, but there's no contest. Oliver Perez had one season (2004) that compares with what Derek Lowe has been basically doing his entire career. Ollie does have age in his favor, but Lowe's skills (sinker/groundballs) actually age much better than Perez's (strikeouts).

Instead I want to weigh Perez against another, less-mentioned free agent starter, Ben Sheets. Since Sheets doesn't have a Scott Boras packet comparing him to Sandy Koufax, I'll have to make the case for him.

Projecting 2009

Player IP FIP WARP ESAL
Oliver Perez 204 4.85 1.67 9.17
Ben Sheets 186 3.46 3.88 21.35

Bill James Projections clearly favors Sheets. Even with a projected gap of about 20 innings in Perez's favor, Sheets is 12 million dollars more valuable. Assuming each pitcher signs for something between 12-16MM a year, this deficit could represent the difference between the Mets getting a positive or negative return on their investment. Some projection systems are more forgiving to Perez, but all rate a relatively healthy Sheets better than Perez by a wide margin.

Health

Sheet's health, however, is no guarantee. Here's his DL History (hat tip, River Ave. Blues):

Aug 14, 2001 - Sept 21, 2001: rotator cuff tendinitis
April 25, 2005 - May 27, 2005: viral & ear infection
Aug 27, 2005: torn lat muscle (out for remainder of season)
Mar 30, 2006 - April 16, 2006: right shoulder strain
May 10, 2006 - July 24, 2006: right shoulder tendinitis
July 17, 2007 - Aug 29, 2007: sprained middle finger on throwing hand

After having a season for the ages in 2004, Sheets has yet to complete a "full" 200 inning season. His only real injury concern going forward, however, is his pitching shoulder problems from 2006. The other three listed injuries, an ear infection, a sprained finger, and a lat tear, do not figure to be recurring. Late last year Sheets suffered a torn muscle in that same right shoulder, which he characterized as only "short term." Although his shoulder remains a red flag going forward, a case could be made that Sheets has been more unlucky than "injury prone."

Perez has had injury problems of his own, most notably a lower back injury around the All-Star Break in 2007. In fact, Perez has never pitched 200 innings in a season, whereas Sheets has achieved the feat three times. Minor league demotions and reduced roles have been more the undoing of Perez than injuries, but that fact should only underscore the gap in talent between these two pitchers.

Stuff/"Potential"

The chief argument for Ollie is that he maintains "ace potential" based on his high strikeout rates. If only he could cut down on his walks, he'd be the kind of pitcher Scott Boras pretends he is. This transformation would be no small feat, however, as Perez lead of all of baseball in walks last year and isn't exactly learning to pitch. Although 27 is relatively young, it's not developing-my-mechanics young, and we may have already witness Oliver's prime.

Another problem with this idea is whether Perez's approach would even allow it. Take a look at his two pitches (fastball, slider) in 2008 through Pitch f/x:

Oliver_perez_medium

Perez is notorious for slinging the ball at the plate without consistent result. The various positions of his slider on the graph above reflects this approach.Too make matters worse, Oliver nearly always throws a fastball down in the count. Last year he threw 32/32 fastballs down 3-0. While this isn't a terrible idea, his inability to keep the fastball down in the zone leads to several home runs and walks.

Calls for Oliver Perez to simply stop walking people is like asking Russel Branyan to stop striking out so often. If Branyan didn't swing like he was golfing, he wouldn't be hitting homeruns in the first place. If Perez didn't challenge hitters with high fastballs or throw his inconsistent slider early in the count, he wouldn't get the same high number of strikeouts. Perhaps with his fantastic stuff, Perez could employ a better approach successfully, it just doesn't seem likely at this point.

Even in his mythical 2004 season, Perez posted just a 2.95 K/BB, well below Sheet's career 3.85 mark. Not to mention Sheets posted a ridiculous 8.25 K/BB that same 2004 season with 264 strikeouts to just 32 walks.

Defining Replacement

If you're still worried about Sheets' injury history, then consider the possible ramifications of him missing time. Assuming the Mets get Derek Lowe (or another lesser starter) the rotation would be Santana-Lowe-Pelfrey-Sheets-Maine leaving Jonathon Niese out of the equation. If Sheets misses any amount of time, Niese represents a replacement many project to be better than Perez in 2008. There should be serious practical concerns when choosing between two players the spot starter sits between on the talent spectrum.

Conclusion

So you want a starter who is relatively young, has show flashes of dominance in the recent past, and has ace upside at third starter price? Take Sheets; the upside is greater and the risk is smaller than you think.

Poll
Who would you rather the Mets sign?
Oliver Perez
102 votes
Ben Sheets
327 votes

429 votes | Poll has closed

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That looks like a slide from a power point brief being given at the Pentagon. (If they had ppt back in the ’70’s) I’m going to get into the meat of this article later on @ work. Amazing what fans of baseball have put together.

" Washington focuses its bailouts on people who take showers before going to work rather than on those people who need a shower after they work. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Perez.

Perez has flashes, but I can’t stand that in any given game (and several are a guarantee), he gets BLASTED or walks 8 people in a row. I’d rather see a bad game rather than a complete disaster.

I’d take Sheets at the cheaper price…as long as the Mets sign Lowe as well.

The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!

by ZaBlanc on Dec 30, 2008 3:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

overrated

that rep perez has acquired for completely exploding every now and then has gotten WAY overrated. lets count the # of games he gave up 6 or more ER last year: perez had 4. and the next lord and savior derek lowe: 4 as well.

want to bump it up? we’ll look at 7+ ER. perez: 1 sabathia: 2

a few years ago he completely lost his mechanics beyond belief and yes, he did explode an inordinate amount of times. then apparently that reputation was just burned into people minds because now hes straightened his mechanics out and only has those blowups about as much as anyone else but then when he does, people go “here we go again! typical oliver perez!”. yes he still blows up from time to time, but its not like hes danny cabrera (who had eight 6+er games) or something.

by robcast23 on Dec 30, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many games did he get pulled early because he was on route

to giving up that many runs. I mean there was one game where he literally pitched .1 innings.

by Gina on Dec 30, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall where I saw it

Here or elsewhere, but I seem to recall someone putting together a graph comparing Lowe’s and Perez’s “blow-up” games this year, and there wasn’t much difference. If I can find it I’ll be sure to post the link.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 30, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

That’s the one.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 31, 2008 6:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this point moot now?

Mets offer Lowe 3yr / $36 million.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081230&content_id=3730397&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 30, 2008 11:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on

whether Jerry is planning on going back to a four-man rotation.

I keed, I keed. If we got Lowe, I wouldn’t feel so bad about giving Niese a shot at #5.

by JoshNY on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that you mention that

On XM / MLB’s program “The Show”, Texas Rangers president Nolan Ryan talked about going back to a four man rotation for his team. The reason(s) for doing so? He thinks pitchers are coddled / babied and that they don’t know the difference between pitching sore and pitching injured.

Ah yes…Nolan Ryan. When men were men, ships were wood and Gucci was only for the uber rich.

"...We ain't no legend, ain't no cause; We're just livin for today...For those about to rock, we salute you..."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 31, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is ironic

since the Rangers are the primary suitor for Sheets.

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by Sam Page on Dec 31, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Theoretically, it could work

But it’d have to be a long-term, organization-wide effort. You’d have to have guaranteed job security from the ownership that you would be running the team for enough years to make it happen. And, it would almost certainly mean needing a stable of pitchers who are brought up through your system. Also, you would have to commit to moving your young pitchers out of the rotation when they got to close to their inning limit. Hence, the stable of pitchers. Basically, you’d have to draft really well, and get lucky with injuries.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 31, 2008 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lowe + Sheets

I wholeheartedly support this. A rotation of Santana-Sheets-Lowe-Pelfrey-Maine would be awesome during the regular season and Santana and Sheets would be terrifying in the playoffs. Niese just turned 22 – a little seasoning in AAA would probably do him some good. He’s a great insurance policy if somebody gets hurt. If everybody stays healthy and he manages to dominate AAA, then you’ve got a great trade chip. Plus, if we sign Sheets and somebody else signs Perez, we could end up with a net gain by swapping first round picks and collecting a sandwich pick.

I leave you with this – think of the Chinese food promotions we could do when we send Lowe-Maine out for a doubleheader.

by metsjetsnets on Dec 31, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you compare the lines on Lowe and Perez, along with the game ratings, you will see they had about the same number of bad games, but HOW their games were bad were vastly different. Lowe’s walk and HR numbers are far lower than Perez’s. When Lowe is bad, presumably they just get hits off him…when Perez is bad, he walks people and then grooves a fastball that gets hit into Nassau County (or NJ if the wind is blowing the other way). Perez is the Jekyll & Hyde of pitchers, and when he is bad it’s just painful to watch.

Here’s the other thing I don’t like about Perez: Mets are moving to Bailout Field, and no one knows how it will play until real teams have been playing in it for a while. Pitcher-friendly or bandbox? Who knows? Project and design as much as you like, you just don’t know how a new park will be in terms of favoring hitters/pitchers. This should not matter much to a ground-ball pitcher like Lowe (who should have the defense to back him up), but it may matter a lot to a fly-ball pitcher like Perez.

by erich10031 on Dec 31, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would 3yrs 36 mil get Sheets signed?

I think it would and I really believe that Sheets maybe injury prone but Perez is mentally prone to blowing games he should win. Sheets is a winner and he’s young. Get him instead of Perez. Sheets could win a Cy Young in a healthy season for crying out loud!!!

by Major on Jan 2, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TBH I would rather have Perez/Sheets and leave Derek Lowe out of the equation.
But that won’t happen.
I can’t believe people want to get rid of a strikeout throwing left hander who is 27…and sign a 36 yr old pitcher to an expensive multi year contract…The Mets aren’t in a must win now situation yet.
I am definately behind the idea of signing Sheets…his injury history doesnt really worry me as they have very much been isolated injuries and not a constant singular problem like say AJ Burnett.
I’ve heard rumours of The Cubs looking to trade Carlos Zambrano any truth to that?
I would be very interested if it is true.

by Ohpityme on Jan 3, 2009 7:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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