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The Case for O-Dawg

I initially balked at any suggestion the Mets sign Orlando Hudson. The more I think about it, however, the stronger the case for signing him seems in my mind. This signing may be closer to happening that we think, as the Mets seems keen to sign him on any chance to dump Castillo.  Here are a variety of factors that make the signing more rational.

Context: The Mets blew it. Twice. But there’s no need to go down that road again. Those miscues do, however, put the Mets in a precarious position.  They need to win now, perhaps like no other team in history. Their core is arguably better than Doc/Straw/Keith, and probably the best in the majors. Reyes and Wright are at their offensive peaks. Santana, while still a deity, is past his prime. Carlos Voltron, past his offensive prime, seems to be in the throes of strange and beautiful defensive god-period.  The talent exists, the stadium is opening, the failure looms. Drastic measures (big contracts) can be justified.

Holes: Despite his penchant for the “big deal,” Omar Minaya seems to suck at finishing a roster. Beltran and Santana have been mentioned, but the Milledge trade, the Castillo/Alou signings, the bullpen, and the bench have been compounding disasters. This flaw seems strange give his relative skill in these areas in 2006, which may have been a bit lucky. While it seems they’re going to fix the bullpen (to an extent) this off-season, two major holes remain (left field, second base). While most Mets fans debate whether it should be Murphy-Dunn or Castillo-Murphy, neither of those seem realistic with the Mets’ front office. Instead, it looks like some combination of Murphy, Castillo, and Raul Ibanez. Finally, Hudson enters the picture.

Replacement: If Hudson is at second, Murphy’s in left. Assuming a normal return from injury, and a subsequent revival of fielding skills, Hudson could be anywhere from a 3.5-4 win player. Luis Castillo, on the other hand, projects to be about one win above replacement. That means the put the difference between the two anywhere between 2-3 wins in Hudson’s favor, no small feat, but perhaps not enough to justify another Castillo like contract, right? Well consider the possibilities without Hudson.  Murphy at second/Ibanez in left: although his bat is more valuable at second, his unproven/poor defense might undermine his offensive contributions. Ibanez, on the other hand is maybe a half a win in left due to poor defense.  Daniel the leftfielder projects to be anywhere from 2 or (I shit you not) 4 wins better than Ibanez. Assuming that currently the Mets are leaning toward Castillo/Ibanez, the money and position of Hudson would force them into a Hudson/Murphy play. That’s 5-8 wins at stake.

Pitching: The emergence of GB fiend Big Pelf and the imminent arrival of John Niese, the Mets could use Hudson’s D. Assuming that both secondbasmen return from injury/laziness, Hudson at +10 runs in the field and Castillo and -8 seems reasonable. Throw in the possible addition of a Derek Lowe or Andy Sonnanstine, and the Mets go from flyball to groundball staff in a year, and the need for good infield defense becomes apparent.

Intangibles: Much has been made about Hudson’s desire to play for the Mets and leadership qualities. While I don’t always put alot of stock in this stuff, I wouldn’t mind a player I could really root for.

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Great post. My thinking:

The projections for Murphy being what they are, he profiles fine in left. While I suggest that he might be playable at 2nd from time to time, everything I read indicates he’s not a second baseman.

Castillo is sunk cost, and it’s only a matter of whether he can come back in shape to offer a sliver of value. But I have no problem eating the contract and moving on.

The talk is Ibañez, but what if it was Adam Dunn in LF and Castillo/A. Reyes/Murphy at 2B? I don’t have such a great command of WARP—how does Dunn/Castillo rate vs. Murphy/Hudson?

Hudson made $6.25 million last year—what do you think he costs now? 3 years $30 million?

I think you make a great case for Hudson, I hope Wilpon/Minaya are progressive enough to shell out that kind of money while on the hook for Castillo’s 3/18.

by Patrick Clark on Dec 8, 2008 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

I bet

Murphy/Hudson is about a half win better than Dunn Castillo

by Sam Page on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the method, but not the methodology

I’ve been arguing all along that the shape of the pitching staff should drive the decisions made about second base. If your assumptions are true about the Mets becoming a GB heavy staff, then Hudson would be a defensive upgrade over Castillo and probably better, and less risky, than Murphy.

But, if the Mets are going to prioritize defense at 2b, there are players out there who would be as good or better defensively and cost less then a $10 Million/year contract and a 1st rounder. Argenis Reyes for instance looked very good as a fielder. And while he may be a zilch at the plate if that money is used for a legit LF (Dunn or Burrell) instead of relying on Murph and Tatis or Ibanez it should be a wash offensively. Murphy can then start the season in AAA and learn how to play 2B.

The bottom line is, this is all moot unless the Mets find a taker for Castillo’s contract. And this doesn’t seem likely. The Wilpon’s are not going to commit another $30 million to a position where they already have $18mil committed.

by Reg Dunlop on Dec 8, 2008 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting

A-Rey’s projected wOBA via Marcel is .300. Not bad for him. Maybe I owe Ben Baumer and Adam Fisher an apology.

by Sam Page on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I have doubts about a fielding rebound.

According to UZR, he had a great 2004 season, but has been declining since then and has been below average for the past three years. By combined zone ratings, he’s between 0 and +5 runs. Offensively, he’s solid, but overrated thanks to hitting in Arizona.

That said, an above-average hitter with an average to above-average glove at second is a 3-4 WAR player like you mentioned. With injury concerns, I wouldn’t pay him more than like a 2.5 to 3 WAR player, or $12MM.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I assumed half of his 2007 +/-

Which is +10. I agree he’s declining and 12MM is a fair salary. That said, an overpay might be in order, especially if Castillo’s can be punted.

by Sam Page on Dec 8, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

My issues with Hudson

One, the first rounder he’s going to cost. I just know that the difference between him and a stop gap player, offensively or defensively, is worth sacrificing a pick. Especially when it’s starting to look like, at least to me, Perez is going to end up back in a Mets uniform and we’re likely going to, for reasons unknown to me, sign K-rod and possibly another type A, which I hope to God is not Ibanez.

The other thing is his age and slight injury history, specifically the fact he’s coming off two consecutive wrist injuries, I know they were more likely fluky injuries but you have to expect that going to affect his bat somehow, remember how Delgado was most of 07, and the beginning of last year,. I don’t doubt he’ll be an offensive upgrade over the options we have now, but I do wonder if it will be enough to justify spending the extra 4-5 million on him, which will likely cut into money they may have used to sign another offensive player who would have provided a bigger difference.

The other thing is I’m not sure if he provides much of a defensive upgrade. Some metrics had Hudson as an average/above average defender others, such as uzr which I <3 fangraphs for adding, have him as being a worse defender than him the last 3 years, even last year when I think we can all safely say Castillo was kind of terrible. If his defense isn’t going to be much of an upgrade over Castillo and his offense is sort of a question mark because of the wrist injury, although it would be hard to be worst offensively than out current 2nd base options is signing him to a 30/3 years really that much better than the 24/4 deal we gave to Castillo? Especially when there are some decent stop gap type options on the market.

by Gina on Dec 8, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

The wrist injury doesn't worry me

It was Delgado’s reliance on power made his wrist injury so brutal.

There’s a definitely a discrepancy here between +/- and UZR as +/- has him consistently killing Castillo in fielding. Maybe it has to do with +/- method of video analysis favoring Hudson’s athletic plays? I have no idea.

Also, who are the stopgaps you have in mind? Durham?

by Sam Page on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Durham

Durham, Grudzielanek, and Loretta.

by Gina on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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