Mets, Rodriguez Finalize Deal, Pending Physical
by Eric Simon on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM EST
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PrintPer numerous reports, the Mets have reached an agreement with Francisco Rodriguez, pending a physical. The deal is reportedly for three years and $37 million with a vesting fourth-year option worth $14 million. Details are still being finalized, and we don't yet know the specifics of the option, any buyout, etc.
This is far from a horrible deal, depending on how lenient the vesting option is. If the option is reasonable, then it's probably a decent gamble. Vesting options are almost always based on innings or games completed. The biggest concern from the Mets' standpoint is Rodriguez's health, but if he is healthy enough to reach whatever playing time milestones are required for the option year to vest, then he will likely still be a very effective pitcher and the Mets would probably want to have him back anyway.
One (draft pick) down, and a long offseason to go.
UPDATE [3:47pm]: Angels fans aren't losing any sleep over Rodriguez's departure.
UPDATE [5:21pm]: Beyond the Boxscore likes the deal.
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Stiff upper lip then, what? Onward and upward, and may we not hear of Raul Ibanez for the rest of the off-season.
Considering all the talk about K-Rod’s potential contract in the last few months, I can’t say that this sounds like a terrible deal (for the number of years), either.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions
So.
When do we get to go back and replay September with K-Rod in the pen?
It’s a great start. I try to temper my enthusiasm during the off-season because big deals generally take a while to materialize (see: Johan). I’m glad Omar didn’t waste any time on this one.
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Dec 9, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Lol @ your first sentence.
I kind of feel the same way, having K-rod last year might have one us the division, but now with everyone improving I’m worried Omar is going to make this one big splash and then basically leave everything else the same. Which I don’t think is going to be good enough this year.
And random but does anyone have any kind of semblance of an idea of what they’re plans for the rotation are? All I’ve heard is that they’re not going to be in on any of the big names, I don’t know how much truth there is to this though, and that they like Jon Garland (bleh).
But seriously how is
Turning Jeff Franceour and Edgar Rentaria, and those 4 meh prospects, into Vazquez, Grienke, Jair Jurrjens and that outfield prospect(Gorky Hernandez?), all while having enough money to bring in a guy like AJ Burnett, even fair.
Plus they just pulled that Campillo guy out of the sky, where did he even come from.
It seems like the majority of gms overestimate their fellow gms
And I forgot to add the Braves have done all this and still managed to maintain an average/above average farm system and a team with a lot of youth.
John Maine and Jorge Julio
for Kris Benson
Once in awhile trades work out well for the Mets.
According to wikipedia
He tore his rotator cuff and missed the entire 2007 season, then had his option declined last October and I think was out of baseball until he signed a minor league deal with the Phillies and then got released this August.
mrs benson?
the more significant benson was on the celebrity poker circuit. which beats the poke-her circuit i am told.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Really?
I mean, K-Rod would be a nice set-up man for Fuentes (har har) but do you realistically see this happening?
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Realistically, there is little shot. It isn’t right to see a “set-up man” get paid a “closer’s” salary. I haven’t looked at the numbers to see whether or not signing two or three relievers would be equal to signing one Fuentes, but it would be awesome to have a lefty and righty who are equally as good to finish out every game.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
Agreed
It would be pretty awesome to have basically two closers but, well, I ain’t holding my breath.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
they kinda really need at least 2 "closers" though
I’m not thrilled about Krod. But the contract doesn’t seem onerous.
I came to the low key non-Rod approach. And also blog headlines are easier when you can work “Getting Wood” into them. Sigh.
Is it true that Krod’s velocity is declining faster than our collective love for Timo Perez did?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Sign Kerry Wood and Adam Dunn
and blog headlines/NY Post headlines will be so easy
by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2008 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOVE IT.
This is an AWESOME move! K-Rod is a Met! Say it out loud. :-D Loving it. I’d love to see us get one more bullpen guy, a nice setup man, but we can’t pay too much. Fuentes is overrated, this is a guy who lost his job just 2 years ago. I’m iffy on him.
Fuentes would have a better chance of signing though. My guess is Wood and Hoffman want to be closers. I say Hoffman might be the best shot though. He hasn’t done that well in recent years. Make him a setup man and get him angry to prove himself.
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
Fuentes
Fuentes is not overrated. He’s underrated actually… but at this point, it is what it is. I’m not going to go into it if we’ve already signed K-Rod.
Who's world is it? It's yours.
I agree. By tRA, Fuentes is a god. Remember, he's pitched at Coors!
$8MM per year for Fuentes seems like a smart move.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
You know, I've looked at his track record a bit closer, and I'm not quite as love with him as I was...
I think he’s still pretty good, though.
tRA* – .35 to put it on the ERA scale:
2003: 3.50
2004: 3.75
2005: 3.62
2006: 3.35
2007: 4.16
2008: 2.73
That’s what, a 3.50 ERA projection? A little lower?
The age doesn’t thrill me.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Wow
It’s a challenge to keep track of all of your truth-claims for which you provide zero evidence (and for which the actual evidence would refute your claims in the first place).
- “Fuentes is overrated”
- “Fuentes would have a better chance of signing though”
- “[Hoffman] hasn’t done that well in recent years”
Do try to provide some kind of support — however ethereal — for your assertions.
Evidence
I live in Colorado.
1) Fuentes has a tendency to erupt. He once blew three multi-run save situations in a week in 2006. It was awful. He was booed. Lost his job to Corpas which is why Fuentes didn’t get any saves during the playoff run. Fuentes will also be 34 next season. He had very little pressure last year, that’s for sure. Had a good year. Where’s the history to back it up? K-Rod has had a half dozen great years since he was a rookie in a row. I don’t pay $12 mil a year for a good season.
2) Fuentes had one good year. He hasn’t gotten PAID yet. K-Rod made 10 mil last year. Fuentes would be easier to sign.
3) Hoffman blew two of the biggest saves of his life within 3 days of each other. See the end of 2007. He blew the save when he gave up the 2-out hit to Gwynn Jr. which allowed the Rox and Pads to tie. Then, he blew a 2-run lead in the 13th in the 1-game playoff which cost them the season (and the only out he recorded was the sac fly that brought in the 3rd run.)
Yes, I live in Colorado. Give me K-Rod any day over Fuentes.
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
oh my god
Fuentes had one bad week? they should’ve just dumped him entirely. bought the contract out. only awful baseball players ever have bad weeks. David Wright? Never had a slump. Ted Williams? got at least one hit in every game he ever played.
I live in Fuentes' house
And I think he’s the tops
by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry not trying to be a jerk, honestly
by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
So you really live in Fuentes' house then?
That’s dope!
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
i think we should lighten up: "evidence" should include the following:
“a star man told me”
hunches, really good ones
demonstrated, intimate knowledge of the quality of Fuentes pancakes
any and all visits from the Christmas spirit
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
good to see your smiling face man
this place has been mean lately
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 9, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have it on good authority
that the blueberry pancakes made by Brian Fuentes are the best in the entire state of Colorado.
Josh i'd be disappointed in you
if you had a lower quality/specificity of information.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
i'm going with the xmas spirit
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Oh my god people.
Fuentes career ERA:
2003 2.75
2004 5.64
2005 2.91
2006 3.44
2007 3.08
2008 2.73 – YEAH! The 33 year old is entering his prime!
K-Rod’s ERA:
2003 3.04 – The only year he did worse — he was just a 21 year old rookie!
2004 1.82 (better by 3.82)
2005 2.67 (better by 0.24)
2006 1.73 (better by 1.71)
2007 2.81 (better by 0.27)
2008 2.24 (better by 0.49)
Factoring in that K-Rod does this in the AL, a far better hitting league…and he’s 5 years younger than Fuentes…and a proven playoff bulldog who does it in the clutch — yeah, I’ll pay that $13 million to K-Rod rather than Fuentes.
Will that be enough to shut you up?
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
Maybe look at ERA+ or FIP?
I don’t have time to do it right now, but maybe ERA+ or FIP would be a better comparison?
Remember Fuentes plays in Colorado, and ERA+ would adjust for park factors. Although the Angels Stadium has been a hitters park historically as well, so I dunno.
by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Career ERA+
Fuentes: 141
K-Rod: 189
Fuentes/Rodriguez:
2003: 181/145
2004: 87/247
2005: 164/158
2006: 142/264
2007: 155/162
2008: 168/198
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
One stat matters.
Biggest game of the season. Who do you want coming out of the bullpen? K-Rod or Fuentes? It’s gotta be K-Rod. Enough said.
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
Well that certainly settles things
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Fuentes
Because him coming out of the ’pen means that we had the money left over to sign a couple of middle relievers to give him the lead.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 9, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I posted Fuentes' tRA*'s above.
2007 was ugly looking at skills instead of ERA. And remember, he pitched in Colorado…
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
"a proven playoff bulldog who does it in the clutch"
K-Rod in the 2002 playoffs: 18.2 IP, 1.92 ERA, 0.80 WHIP, 28 K, 5 BB
K-Rod in the playoffs since 2002: 13.0 IP, 4.85 ERA, 1.92 WHIP, 13 K, 9 BB
So did he forget how to be clutch on January 1st, 2003? Or maybe he was awesome in the 2002 playoffs because nobody had seen him before (he only made 5 appearances in the regular season, none against the teams he faced in the playoffs) and they probably had very little idea what kinds of pitches even to expect?
Fuentes
On point #2, I interpreted your statement:
I’d love to see us get one more bullpen guy, a nice setup man, but we can’t pay too much. Fuentes is overrated, this is a guy who lost his job just 2 years ago. I’m iffy on him.
Fuentes would have a better chance of signing though. My guess is Wood and Hoffman want to be closers.
to mean that Fuentes would be easier to sign as a setup man than Wood or Hoffman, and your evidence to that point is that Rodriguez has made more money in a single year? I apologize if I’ve misunderstood your original comment (I don’t believe I have), but what relevance does Rodriguez’s salary have to a discussion about the relative signability of Fuentes vs Wood vs Hoffman as a setup man?
Simple.
Ever make a million bucks a year? No. You haven’t. If some dude asks you to cut up your body and jump in a bat of alcohol, you just might do that. Now, say you make $3 million a year now. Chances are, you won’t jump at the chance. :-)
Fuentes wants the money. He made $5 mil last year. I’m just saying that it’s not like you’re pursuing Manny here. Give Fuentes enough years, you can prolly get him at a better price. Psychology BABY.
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
Sorry, I don’t mean to interfere (was just curious as to the reaction of you guys on the signing)…but “bat of alcohol”? Really?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 9, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Offer him enough years,
and the closer’s job. We just signed a closer, so Fuentes is off our radar.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 9, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
He "lost his job" is a crappy argument.
That’s a managers decision. He had a bad week, a really bad week, sure. But does the manager handing the closer’s job to someone else have any effect on Fuentes’ skills? No. Focus on the skills.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
I live in Colorado too
Isn’t it funny that we’re on the opposite side of the argument? ;)
Who's world is it? It's yours.
I think this is a good deal for the Mets.
A little confidence and a lot of talent at the back of the ‘pen is a good way to preserve a win. Financially it doesn’t sound like the Mets are paying too much, either.
They did
But only because we offered a straight-up deal: Luis Castillo for Michael Young.
I kid, of course.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure it would be awesome
He’s owed a crapload of money, 16 million per through 2013, and apparently has been absolutely horrible defensively the last few years.
In all seriousness, Young would be a poor acquisition
Anyone else see him going .260/.310/.400 as early as like 2010?
by James Kannengieser on Dec 9, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
BUT HE'S CLUTCH
He bats .336 with RISP!
I bet he’d exponentially increase the heart/gritty/clutch factor of the mets.
Gah
Young is under contract for the next five years at $16 million per year, is a lousy defender, and doesn’t appear to be as good offensively as everything thinks. The Mets could sign Rafael Furcal, who is better at everything than Young (except for staying healthy) for less money and few years.
wow, that extension is bad
what in the world were they smoking?
on K-Rod, I think Omar did a nice job leveraging a strong position in the market. I think it gets harder from here.
by Patrick Clark on Dec 9, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Furcal
Why not try to sign him for that matter? Enough cash and he would play second no?
oh crap
for some reason I saw “Michael Young” and my brain conjured my recollections of Ian Kinsler. yeah, do not want.
YES!!!!!
SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A NEW CHANGE OF CLOTHES!
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 9, 2008 5:11 PM EST reply actions
Lou it just isn't a transaction
til you’ve posted an enormous pic to confirm it. at least for me.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
coincidentally
that expression will be the same he uses to communicate the “I busted my shoulder 11/2 years into my mondo contract” look
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
looks like you and I are sharing a moment
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 9, 2008 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just kinda curious about Omar Minaya
Expat Californian here, casual Mets follower (my no 1 team is the A’s, but don’t kill me, at least I’m not one of those transplants who becomes a Yankee fan).
Just a question: Does Omar Minaya know anything about the newfangled modes of baseball analysis? Or is he just an enthusiastic, hard-working, feel-it-in-my-guts, really-wanna-win guy?
I’ll stipulate that I agree this doesn’t sound like a terrible contract, for a guy who was without question the best FA closer available. But it’s still an overpay, and I see no indication that Minaya might not have overpaid even worse if the closer market (and the overall market) were in a more normal condition.
I get it: the Mets have the money. (Something that makes my A’s-fan persona highly uncomfortable.) And K-Rod might be better than Kerry Wood at, I dunno, 5 times the price. And also might not. Hence my question: Does Minaya actually know what he’s doing?
According to btb
This contract is basically exactly what K-rod is projected to be worth.
As for as Omar and advanced metrics I’m pretty sure he’s still largely a “baseball guys” type guy, see his famous on base quote from when he was with the Expos. Although he does seem to be progressing, just really really really slowly. Does he actually know what he’s doing? Who knows. I’m just glad we have the money to throw at problems.
fair enough that 3/37 is about right
I was suggesting that 4/51 begins to feel like an overpay, but in fairness A) we don’t know anything about the vesting option yet and B) I guess if it vests he’s been pitching and has done OK.
A lot of Angels fans seem to think he’s ripe for some kind of physical decline, but of course it’s in their interest to say that right now. And as an A’s fan I can testify that while his saves against Oakland have been plentiful, his blowups have also been spectacular. Such as allowing Jason Kendall, a catcher, to steal home, or throwing a ball into the stands, or giving up a 3-run jack to Bobby Kielty.
It may be totally irrational — OK, it is — but I fear some sort of Mets-bullpen curse with this guy. If I could choose between him and a healthy Billy Wagner, I’d take the latter in a second. Doesn’t seem to be available, though.
Surprisingly nice signing for the Mets.
Assuming…
2.75 ERA
72 IP
1.8 LI as closer
KRod’s a 3 WAR player, worth $14MM on the FA market. For a team in desperate need of a reliever, paying a bit under that is awesome.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
2.75 ERA might be a little low.
A 3.25 ERA puts him more like 2.25 WAR, which is right on the $12MM per year salary. Still a smart move by the Mets.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
can we celebrate by temporarily, seasonally replacing the "irish hammer" meme
with hundreds of “i wanted/wish i got/love in the morning Wood?” jokes? I honestly never get tired of them.
“Got Wood?”
Sadly, no.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
have you tried?
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 9, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
could someone please move those words out of the way?
umm, I mean
Lou, that picture is disgusting and inappropriate!
i apologize
poor judgment on that one.
Eric, if you can. Damage Control please.
Again. Sorry.
" CITI...It's only money. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 9, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
You’re too sensitive, Lou.
"When the little children start to speak they once said 'Mama' and 'Papa', but with the fans we got they say the first thing, 'Metsie, Metsie, Metsie'." - Casey Stengel
hmm following the visual metaphor
where would the rabbit be? they like to gnaw on penis shaped objects. that might be scary for your penis that is.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
not the hilarious response i had hoped for
Maybe by the morning I’ll get some
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Way too easy
Must…resist…dirty…joke…
Don’t we all think that every night. (OK, I lack willpower)
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
awright, nice
but im officially done with K-Rod, that nickname eats. I’d prefer Fran-Rod. In fact I’m just going with Fran-Rod from now on. Hooray for Fran-Rod!
agree 1000%
The nickname must die, right now.
Would you rather have Ramrod or Manram on your squad?
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Indeedy
Frankie > K-Rod or Fran-Rod . . . but I think we can do better.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Better than:
Franco
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Curtain Rod?
as in “its curtains for the other team when curtain rod comes in to close”?
i got nothing
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
its a great day in itsmetsformeland
First the Mets sign some closer. Then went to buy myself a new Apple laptop, and while there got to watch Jessica Biel receive service. Of course i was so distracted i almost paid for something i didnt want. God she’s a peach.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Where do you shop for computers?
while there got to watch Jessica Biel receive service. Of course i was so distracted i almost paid for something i didnt want
"the grove"
a trendy la mall infested with celebrities and foreigners on shopping sprees
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
while there got to watch Jessica Biel receive service
Holy shit, I have got to get me an ipod.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 9, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have been WAY too tough on Apple products
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 9, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind
giving her some service, either. If you know what I mean.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Dec 10, 2008 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
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