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Open Thread - Game 38 - Mets vs Nationals

Washington Nationals at New York Mets, May 14, 2008 7:10 PM EDT


Mets

Jose Reyes SS
Ryan Church RF
David Wright 3B
Carlos Beltran CF
Moises Alou LF
Carlos Delgado 1B
Brian Schneider C
Damion Easley 2B
Claudio Vargas RHP

Nationals

Felipe Lopez 2B
Cristian Guzman SS
Ryan Zimmerman 3B
Aaron Boone 1B
Austin Kearns RF
Elijah Dukes CF
Wily Mo Pena LF
Jesus Flores C
Tim Redding RHP

Discussion starter: How many starts will Claudio Vargas make for the Mets this season?

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Claudio Vargas makes 5 starts. 1-1 with three no decisions.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on May 14, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's hoping...

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA

You’re a funny guy.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

but looks aren’t everything

by Simons on May 14, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't he supposed to be back next week?

Or is that just me pretending everything is all right? (As the Nats get a leadoff double)

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fafa

I don’t even know what that means, but I love it.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro

Just posted a FanShot; he’s getting closer to a return.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vargas

First inning could’ve gone a whole lot worse.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice bounce back

I know nothing about this guy, other than that he’s unspectacular. He seemed completely unphased by the lead-off double, which I take to be a good sign.

The nye Mets are my favorite squadron.

by LAwman on May 14, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Jose

So disappointing right now. We need more Lance Johnson and less Roger Cedeno.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like for the Mets to ring up a nice, comfortable lead

and then I’d like for a reliever to groove one to WMP so he can hit CitiField from here

by Simons on May 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this game is not fun just yet

I hope somebody called the 1-0 shutout for the swag contest

by Simons on May 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes got nothing on that throw

I realize his ‘action’ was taking him in the wrong direction, yadda yadda, but I still expect more from our #7

by Simons on May 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Double-play

Take that, mothertrucker.

Vargas’s vitals…

IP: 4
H: 2
BB: 2
SO: 2
NP: 53 (31 strikes)

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More bad luck for Beltran

The guy has killed the ball all season and far more often than not this is what has happened.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's locked in, but you'd never know it from his numbers

People who look at numbers think he’s having a bad year; people who watch the games know differently

by Simons on May 14, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is everybody?

This is a rockin’ good time. Is American Idol on or something?

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're keeping Sofrito's warm for Beltran

You’ll never guess who’s there—Marc and Jenny from the block!

by Simons on May 14, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alou lost his shit

So did Demuth. That little outburst really costs the Mets in the longrun.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to go with that one Delgado

And by “go with that one” I mean “try futilely to pull the ball, thereby assuring yourself of a harmless groundball”.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Schneider

Off the schneid lately, nice.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, someone else!

Did you guys end up going to the game on Monday?

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went with DoctorK16 and my brother.

What a crummy night. It was freaking cold, and we got to see Willie and Omar give Figgy and Sosa enough rope to hang themselves, yea.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanna go one of these days

But I have a bit of a fear of heights so I try to avoid the upper tank whenever possible. Maybe we can just get Loge for a game you don’t already have tickets to.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have tickets to every game.

Or I can get ‘em, at least.

Come on, Eric, the Upper Deck is where the real fans sit. You know that.

By the way, it was cool to hang with Doc. You chat with a guy on here for a couple of years, it’s nice to finally meet him, since you feel like you already know him.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on

Folks really get a kick out of Geek Day, which we’re doing in Pittsburgh this year.

I’ve sat in the upper deck on occasion, but my folks had season tickets in the loge for a couple of years in the late eighties so I spent most of my time there.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh, Pittsburgh

Great park and all, but the last time I went there I saw the Mets lose three games in three days. I won’t be going back any time soon (at least to see the Mets play there).

Of course, I returned to New York after that weekend and watched the Mets clinch the division on Monday at Shea. Trachsel threw a great game, of course.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vargas

Who called up this bum? He can’t hit for shit.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shit

Damn, that was a moonshot.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

god, Hagin is horrible on the radio

You have no idea what’s actually happening when he makes a call on a fly ball.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a shitty old one, but no cable.

So I get to see the Mets on Fox and the CWB-11. And I see them in my mind via the beautiful descriptions from Wayne “Yee-Haw” Hagin.

For the longest time I had no TV at all. When I got one, it was a little black-and-white job. I finally upgraded to color a while back. I realized recently that I have never purchased a TV in my lifetime.

I was planning to get an LCD or something before baseball season, but then I got season tickets and decided it could wait.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D-Dub

Dude musta graduated from the Scott Brosius school of bare-handedness. You know, except that he’s good at other stuff, too.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

what a throw by Church

someone should buy Aaron a dog

by Simons on May 14, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does Willie keep going to Heilman with the game on the line?

We all know he’s going to blow it at least half the time.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

And it gets worse…

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Willie allows him

to stay in way too long. I have a feeling that Willie might not last the year. He didn’t deserve to be brought back after last year’s debacle and he should be gone now

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on May 14, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it would be understandable

I know that Pedro and El Duque are never healthy, and we’re lucky Vargas even pitched that well. But the longer the Mets hang around .500, the more you have to look into why it’s happening.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heilman is broken

Peterson needs to figure out why before they send him out there again, this is ridiculous

by Simons on May 14, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

This is awful. Unwatchable, really. I’m an ardent Heilman supporter, but that boy just ain’t right.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

joe smith

strikes out zimmerman on 3 pitches. why wasn’t he in? heilman cannot come in with people on base.

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Taking a break from studying to check in...

why did Willie take out Vargas after a one out walk?

by SQUAD on May 14, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great question

He’d given up 3 hits and thrown 98 pitches. Don’t get it at all.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vargas

He had only made three starts this season before this one, so it’s not inconceivable that he was running out of gas.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I wasn't incensed about it at the time

But I don’t understand why Heilman is being treated like a shut-down setup man but is pitching like a mop-up man.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, yeah

But clearly some of the players (typically veterans) are “his guys” and get more leeway, and some aren’t and are on a shorter leash

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand that meaning

but it comes off as playing favorites imo

especially when one of his guys SUCKS ASS

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know

It’s part of why Willie is not a good manager

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you win the NL east if you cant beat the gNats? or as Pink Floyd would say

how can you have any meat if you don’t eat your pudding?

totally disgruntled me.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball luck is a weird thing

Last night Delgado absolutely crushes a ball that would be a 3-run homer in another park, but it’s just a loud out. Tonight he dinks a ball off the pitcher’s glove for a single and advances Chavez (who would later score) to third.

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the thing about Heilman is

that he picks his spots to be a terrible failure. any time the mets pump up the tire of hope, heilman is there to deflate it. Vargas has a perhaps improbably good start and Errant is there to piss all over it. He has taken over for Armando in the Metsosphere. I’m done with him.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what I don't get?

Why do broadcasters say a batter is “quickly” behind 0-2? The only way a batter can get behind 0-2 is in two pitches.

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Buck

always used to say the hitter “is set up 0-2”

I don’t know if that’s any better

by Simons on May 14, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just adding some color

We can spend all day picking out the redundancies and tautological nonsense of your average sports broadcast.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i say

its a worthy pasttime. after all we do follow the mets.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

I’m not complaining, necessarily. It’s just part of the gig.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought he might've tipped it

But the replay shows otherwise.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a hitter only has slowly fallen behind 0-2 if streve trachsel is pitching

of course, steve trachsel rarely gets ahead 0-2, so this is a rare occurrence.

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i remember a time

when i’d be excited to see wright up in these situations

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

beat me to it

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clutchlos.

Wait, that wasn’t a homer, so it doesn’t count.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woot

Suck it, bad luck.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

indeed.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on May 14, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it matters, but...

I was on the way home when Alou got tossed. Was he right, at least?

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw Yes

he was called out on a curve that was a bit low and four inches outside

by Simons on May 14, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone know off the top of their heads

if we’ve won a come from behind victory this year? i dont remember any

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After what point in the game?

I mean, I’m sure there must be some game where we were behind in the third inning and eventually won, at least.

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i dunno

guess it doesn’t matter

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was

this one against the Nats a few weeks ago. Trailing 2-1 in the 8th, won it in the 14th.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2, 3, 4 run deficit

seems insurmountable lately

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith and Feliciano have been great

It’s a shame our manager is too stupid to recognize who’s pitching well and who isn’t

by JoshNY on May 14, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Delgado

Dude might be done. He’s hitting .228/.312/.382. Worse after this game, actually.

by Eric Simon on May 14, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

geez after this waste of Vargas' effort and Figgy's demise

how are the Mets gonna continue to attract quality journeyman starters?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sell them on

affordable New Orleans real estate maybe?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 14, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reds-marlins:

man on first, nobody out. griffey at the plate. jeff brantley: i’d bunt with griffey here.
....

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I highly doubt that Ken Griffey, Jr. knows how to bunt.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on May 14, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention

if he does that, they’d walk phillips, who mashes lefties, taking the bat out of his hands.

and phillips just GIDP’d, so stfu brantley.

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least the marlins lost

walkoff single by a guy in his 2nd ML AB, good for him

by gogomets on May 14, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3

1-3

"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner

by dissento on May 15, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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