New York Mets @ Atlanta Braves GameThread, May 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT

Open Thread - Game 42: Mets vs Braves

by Eric Simon on May 20, 2008 12:16 PM EDT in Game Chatters Comment 49 comments

New York Mets at Atlanta Braves, May 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT

Lineup

05/20/08 1:05 PM EDT

New York Mets	Atlanta Braves
Jose Reyes - SS	Yunel Escobar - SS
Luis Castillo - 2B	Mark Kotsay - CF
David Wright - 3B	Chipper Jones - 3B
Carlos Beltran - CF	Mark Teixeira - 1B
Ryan Church - RF	Brian McCann - C
Moises Alou - LF	Jeff Francoeur - RF
Carlos Delgado - 1B	Kelly Johnson - 2B
Brian Schneider - C	Gregor Blanco - LF
John Maine - P	Tom Glavine - P

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2008 - John Maine	5-2	8	8	0	0	0	0	48.0	38	16	15	4	22	38	2.81	1.25

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2008 - Tom Glavine	1-1	7	7	0	0	0	0	34.2	35	18	17	4	18	18	4.41	1.53

Poll

How do you choose to remember the Tom Glavine era in New York?

With fondness

19 votes

With vitriol

38 votes

With indifference

67 votes

124 votes | Poll has closed

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I think I need some distance

before I can really evaluate Glavine’s time with the Mets. I recognize logically that he pitched pretty well during his time here, but it’s hard to forget the 7 run debacle when we needed him most. Time will heal all though, and I’m sure I’ll regard his Mets tenure with fondness soon enough. But not just yet.

by ams258 on May 20, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I never looked forward to a TG start.

And I quickly came to dread his starts against the Braves.

"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner

by dissento on May 20, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Glavine can cram it!

I’m thinking about a sweep of the double-header! Let’s go Mets!

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Homerun

Luis Castillo!

by Alex Nelson on May 20, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff, eh?

Howie Rose is pretty shocked.

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so am I

I’m gobsmacked when Castillo even singles these days.

by anonymous on May 20, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

classic Glavine here

This start is a great example of what used to drive us crazy about the guy; great to see him doing it in a Braves uniform, when I feared the mere change of laundry would restore him to his old form.

by anonymous on May 20, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

Now watch him slink out of it.

by Alex Nelson on May 20, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon, CarlosD!

I’m hoping for a 7-run inning here. Counting on CarlosD to keep this alive.

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well crap

Dang.

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bums!

Shoulda had at least another run or two there.

by Eric Simon on May 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's why they call him a crafty veteran, son

by Simons on May 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How true.

Can Willie be fired now? That was obviously his fault.

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he made up for it by getting the out at third just now

by Simons on May 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Willie!

You never know what he’ll be responsible for next!

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

Poor decision by Escobar.

by Alex Nelson on May 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good for Jose!

by IanB in MD on May 20, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Escobar out at 3rd

The Braves are reminding me of last week’s Mets all over the place here.

by anonymous on May 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That first

inning by Glavine reminds me of something I wrote last year:

And finally, and perhaps most impressively, Glavine is an incredible pitcher when the bases are loaded, limiting hitters to just a .577 OPS (and just a .305 slugging!). To put that into some perspective, only his former teammate, Greg Maddux—who’s nearly off the charts at .520—among recent pitchers is close to Glavine’s mark. Not Roger Clemens, nor Pedro Martinez, nor Randy Johnson, nor John Smoltz, nor anybody. Quite simply, if there’s a situation with the bases loaded and I need to get three outs, I’m taking Maddux, but Glavine’s my "Plan B."

by Alex Nelson on May 20, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That can't be right

Yahoo says Castillo hit a home run, that’s got to be a misprint

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good morning

where’s the vitriol?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

arggh losing to Glavine

just kills me. all this 2 out offense from the br*ves.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone watching?

I went to the gym during my lunch break and watched the first inning. Looked like the ump was giving Glavine an enormous strike zone. Has that changed?

by ams258 on May 20, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i was going to say that

is it just my hatred or did the ump turn off the questek? anything is a strike?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

come on already

14 straight batters set down—looks like I spoke too soon about the laundry failing to rejuvenate Glavine.

by anonymous on May 20, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maine out after 4+ innings

I’m only following online, not watching, but the results (4.0 IP, 8 H, 3 BB, 2 K) indicate that he didn’t have his best stuff today.

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

im watching and the SNY guys fawning all over glavine

failing to mention that Maine got no calls and glavines strike zone is bigger than Mo vaughn’s ass—the br*ves dismantling the mets as always

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Schoeneweis limited the damage

But if the bats don’t wake up we’re in trouble

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it doesn't matter if glavine doesnt have to throw it over the plate

same old story

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, believe me, I'm familiar with the Braves strike zone

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

glavines magic only works

to the mets detriment

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cox is taking Toothless out of the game

and Gotay singles so the br*ves have yet another baserunner

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

18 in a row

set down by the Braves. Incredible.

by Endys Game on May 20, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

looks like I didn't miss anything good

by Simons on May 20, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lost in the shuffle about Heilman sucking

is that that 2-2 pitch to mccann was a damn strike, right over the plate

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For what it's worth

The illustration on Gameday looks like it could’ve been both high and inside, though that’s really no consolation for any of us.

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

high pitch was good enough for glavine

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on May 20, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure it must've been

Like I said, I’m very familiar with the generous strike zone Braves pitchers seem to get. But “right over the plate” suggests mid-thigh down the middle, which that pitch wasn’t.

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean, according to Gameday, which of course could be wrong

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it may be over for Heilman

I know I know, he has a track record, has been pretty good in previous seasons blah blah blah. But this is as unacceptable a performance as Sosa was. I strongly suggest he must be hurt . If so put him on the DL. Otherwise he should accept a trip to the minors(he’d clear waivers) or be dealt with accordingly. Something must be done. This can’t go on.

by Endys Game on May 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why would Heilman clear waivers?

by ams258 on May 20, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not 100% sure he would

But I’m pretty sure the point Endy’s Game is trying to make is that he’d clear waivers because he’s been miserable this season

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well he certainly has been miserable

Can’t argue with that

by ams258 on May 20, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Mets

have a history with letting bullpen pitchers pitch too long when they have been hurt. Schoinweiss last year, Looper a few years ago to name two. Somehow the pitcher never says anything or they never find out the problem untill it is too late. I know that a healthy Heilman is a better pitcher than this so I have to assume there is something wrong. Otherwise he has just lost it. Its not just the homeruns, its the lack of any command

by Endys Game on May 20, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well that was shitty.

by JoshNY on May 20, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you just have to hand it to the masterful crafty lefthander, Tom Glavine

he knows how to pitch

by Simons on May 20, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

68-94

By my count that’s the Mets sorry record against the Braves over the last 10 seasons, including today’s dismal performance. Essentially losing two out of every three game series.

Why?

by TomDC on May 20, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs