This Just In...

by wgarrett on Jun 13, 2008 1:46 PM EDT

Jon Heyman of SI is telling Mike Francessa on WFAN that he's hearing Willie Randolph and Rick Peterson could be gone within a week and Jerry Manuel could replace him. This is only a rumor at this point. He said the Mets' higher-ups met and were discussing the situation. He hasn't heard anything about Howard Johnson's job status. He does think it could be as soon as this weekend.

There's something happenin' here.... what it is ain't exactly clear.

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I loved HoJo as a player...

But if they’re ready to make changes, he has to be out the door with the rest of them.

by JoshNY on Jun 13, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

Don't get our hopes up.

But if it does happen, how is Manuel an upgrade on Willie? I’m not really familiar with his track record, but even if he is tactically better (almost anyone would be) he may be too laid back for a team that desperately needs an Earl Weaver-style kick in the rear. Anybody have a better read on Manuel the manager?

by madisonmetsfan on Jun 13, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

changing the figurehead won't help when the ship has no sails

There’s no reason to think this will change anything. The team is losing games because it doesn’t have the players - specifically, the hitters - to win. God Himself couldn’t get a better OPS out of these corner outfielders.

by anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions

You are right, but...

...the easiest thing for an owner to do it fire the managers. That changes the narrative immediately. The new guy either makes the losers winners, or the new guy just waits out the end of the year. Either way it takes the pressure off the owners. Omar, on the other hand, better watch out…

by IanB in MD on Jun 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

About Changes....

I’ve been hearing that the Mets should trades Reyes. Does anyone here think they should? If so, who would play shortstop? This began on WFAN and there were callers who agreed but no one said who would play shortstop. I’ll give my opinion now: You don’t trade a 24 year old shortstop who has potential unless he can be compared to Gary Templeton in his days with the Saint Louis Cardinals back in the late 1970s/very early 1980s.

"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "All Too Human" (1878)

by wgarrett on Jun 13, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions

Does anyone here think they should [trade Reyes]?

No.

by JoshNY on Jun 13, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions

no effing way

While I’m not opposed to talking about the idea (as part of making this a white-flag/rebuilding year), it sounds like change for the sake of change rather than for the sake of improvement. There’s one big question here: why do it? Who would you possibly trade Reyes for that would make the team better over the long term? It would have to be one hell of a package. There are teams out there that could provide a group of young talent you’d have to think about moving him for - Tampa Bay springs to mind - but there is no incentive for them to take him; and teams with that kind of young talent also likely to be averse to paying the extra salary it will take to retain Reyes over the long term, as he eventually becomes more expensive. I can’t see any deal that would make sense—and almost any equivalent young hitter we could swap him for would play at a less challenging defensive position, making the bat less valuable. Seriously, Reyes is, at the very least, among the 20 or 30 most valuable young players in the game; what improvement could trading him bring in return? I just don’t see it.

By the way, just so you know, the Nietzsche book in your signature is called Human, All Too Human, not just “All Too Human.”

by anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions

Sorry, that was in reply to wgarrett on trading Reyes.

by anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, Ok....

thanks for the correction. I found the quote in a Rob Neyer book and that’s all he had noted as the source.

"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "All Too Human" (1878)

by wgarrett on Jun 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

nice.

What context did Neyer use it in? I wish this kind of thing were more widespread, so I could look forward to reading Hat Guy’s next citation of Heraclitus or Marty Noble’s invocation of Wittgenstein.

by anonymous on Jun 13, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Does It Really Matter....

about the context? Does it really, really matter?

"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)

by wgarrett on Jun 14, 2008 7:48 AM EDT reply actions

obviously, yes

What, figuring out where Rob Neyer tried and failed to seem learned by misquoting Nietzsche doesn’t seem to you like THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD? Where are your priorities?

by anonymous on Jun 14, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions