Open Thread - Game 56: Mets vs Giants
by Eric Simon on Jun 2, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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poll results 100% for a 2-1 series win
We’re all just little bundles of guarded optimism, aren’t we?
Cain / Lincecum
Due to the fact that we have to deal w/one of them for the series, we’re not going to get all 3.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently, we can't hit w/runners in scoring position
forgive me for my negative vibes, but dang…1st inning and we can’t drive ONE home?!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
stat of the night
O. Perez has walked more batters than anyone in the league…Great
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
bases loaded
well, let’s see how we do w/3 runners on…c’mon tatis!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
looks like the giants can hit!
home run, ho-hum
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
man i missed swag!
what time did swag get posted? dang!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
okay.
It’s getting close to time that we seek a more entertaining way to spend the remainder of the evening. Self-cutting, perhaps.
DOCTOR K-16...Care to retract your old post?
Giant’s can’t hit?
What on earth is going on here? 35 pitches in the first inning?
He is the epitome of inconsistent! PULL HIM NOW!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said earlier people...You better get them chicken bones ready!
If Pedro doesn’t perform tomorrow, I’m going to throw up!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
son of a bitch
he doesn’t even stay in long enough to beat the over on the 9.5 baserunners, damn him
you gotta feel for the WFAN commentators
man, they gotta be there all night!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
this is how you deplete your bullpen!
can we prepare for next years rotation?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
broadcast suckitude
I think this inning has been one of the worst I’ve heard on WFAN all season, so this is as good a time as any to complain about the WFAN broadcast team once more. I’m not exempting Howie Rose this time, either, though I detest Hagin so much he should take the balance of the blame. Perez’s breakdown would be a great time for a broadcaster to deploy some analysis—why has this happened, injury, psychology, just bad luck? what pitches was he throwing, which missed, which ones was he getting hurt on? But instead what we got, both from Rose and Hagin, was merely complaining, castigating Ollie for failing to “manage the inning” (meaningless bullshit), and a total absence of thought or even detailed description. Hagin just repeated over and over “how disappointing!” while Howie ranted about Perez’s need to “grow up.” Well, I think the WFAN team needs to grow up in a hurry here, and start providing a more thoughtful and content-rich broadcast.
that's part of the problem with not having a true
analyst in the booth. It would be nice if the hired a guy to sit next to Rose who was a player who could provide some.
maybe, but I'm not sure that's the problem
Many, maybe even most, ex-ballplayer “analysts” just repeat contentless cliches and psychologize everything, too. The best of them have real insider’s insights into the game, for sure, but I think what’s called for is detailed description and analysis, and that just takes skillful observation and thought, not athletic talent.
anyone watching the san fransisco feed?
they commited the sin of recent no brain broadcasting-devoting screen time to asinine human interest stories while ignoring game-actually missed last out!
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's tough to put that all one one guy
You’d like to hear Hagin give some good insight, but Howie has broadcast enough games, and seen and heard enough other broadcasts, that he’s got some responsibility to steer Hagin towards some useful analysis if he isn’t providing any. Good play-by-play announcers can be counted on to do that.
yes
All it would’ve taken was for Rose to say something like “Yes, Wayne, it is disappointing, but I wonder why this has happened. Is Perez injured, or have his mechanics gotten messed up somehow?” —and the whole inning would have been redirected in a more productive direction. I don’t know if Howie’s tired, or just frustrated in that moment like any passionate fan would be, but he really botched that inning badly.
Ron and Pat
got delayed on my post…if you want some serious analysis and some serious fun. listen to Ron and Pat on WGN for the CUBS. man, they’re a riot!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it ever occur to anyone
that just maybe Howie is right and it is simply inexcusable and inexplicable what Perez has done not just tonight but basically the whole year. This is shaping into one of the worst seasons I have seen in a while for a well regarded pitcher who was in his walk year and looking for big money. He is costing himself millions and more important costing the Mets wins. All because he has a ten cent head at best. That trade with the Pirates looks less and less like a steal every day and more like a real problem.
i'm gonna have to agree with you today
except i woulnt go as high as 5 cents
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ten cents?
Can you put some analysis or evidence behind this “ten cent head” thing? Or even an explanation of what it means? Neither that nor Howie’s rant seem like explanations to me—it’s not enlightening or useful if we just call him dumb when he fails and smart when he succeeds.
he is dumb either way
no focus, all the talent in the world, cant learn to pitch
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
need I point out the obvious?
Some very good pitchers are dumb as bricks.
do you have any hypotheses?
he has lapses of focus that sucessful pitchers do not have. if a butterfly or bunny bounded across the field, i get the idea he’d chase it. it’s “dumb” when you can’t focus enough to do the only thing you know how to do, the only thing that will put food on your family.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
is our children learning?
I am honestly a little baffled by Perez as a whole, too—he seems near-perfect some days and near-awful others, with more or less the same pitches. I don’t think I feel comfortable ascribing the variation in his performance to lack of focus or dumbness or whatever, just because it could be anything. I still think he’s a useful guy to have around, but it does seem like he’ll never rise to the potential we (and the scouts) keep thinking he has.
Tonight, specifically, I have no idea at all what happened.
fair enough but my response to the bafflement and frustration
is the working assumption that he is mentally not cut out to suceed. he certainly has the talent.
this helps me sleep better on nights like this.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
Church looks more and more like the steal of the year!!
Perez
Is it possible that he’s injured? He wasn’t walking people like he has in the past, he was throwing slow meatballs.
this is my bet
I don’t think any of us know anything about why he failed yet, but my money’s on an injury of some kind, even maybe just a tight muscle that screwed up his delivery. He couldn’t get anything at all over the plate besides what seemed like batting-practice cookies. It didn’t look anything like Ollie’s usual failure modes.
perhaps but
he has so many failure modes. so many lapses.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
8 LOB after four innings for the Mets
Another example of great clutch performance!
avoiding the "clutch" thing
the mets do leave a hell of a lot of ducks on the pond. ducks breathe easy on the pond.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They have been wasting opportunities
But the Giants are just not a good team. They keep doing things to keep the Mets in the game.
Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!
i think we can come back
hit it to Durham!
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
zambrano triples?
r u kidding? can we get some of what the cubs are taking?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Checking out the Giants radio broadcast on my XM
and I could swear I just heard someone say that Omar vVizquel is a Hall of Famer!! Say What???!!
oh brother, i heard the same comment a couple of days ago by buck martinez...i think
yesterday ron santo stated that Jim Edmonds was second only to Willie Mays in playing centerfield. A little too loose w/the comparisons I’d say.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
now that is patentially ridculous comment
by a guy who should be in the HOF IMO. Jim Edmonds was never even the best CF is era. Dude was overacted.
a lot of people believe that
if Mazorski and Ozzie Smith are in then it’s possible. It’s going to be interesting to see how it handled. I think the writers might put him as a repudiation to the steroid era.
in reference to R. Church...
Michael Kaye won’t even give props to Church. I think M. Kaye is just into “the glory days of NY baseball”
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa!
he’s like Limbaugh…Entertaining but full of crap!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
!
If I ever write a Fire Joe Morgan-style blog, this will be its name.
I think its a joke that
the Giants are trying to white wash Bonds from their history. I’m ambivalent about him, but dude saved that franchise and helped them get that ballpark.
barry used them / they used barry...even trade
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i get he was well compensated and all
but he was Giant baseball for much of 15 years. Give the guy his figurative Gold Watch. I’m not condoning his lying, roiding or his generally jerk behavior, but he deserves better from them IMO. They’d be playing in the Trop without him.
but doesn't that cut both ways
the Giants and Peter McGowan made tons off Barry trips to Victor Conte. To wash their hands of the whole thing now seems like something a White House Press Secretary would do/.
agreed.
They should be building statues of him there right now, not pretending the reigning home run king never played for their team.
yep, pretty disgusting
i think the worst thing i saw during the whole escapade is when the commish saw bonds break the record and you could tell he wanted to smile…but he didn’t. he just looked dumb-struck. i think that look said it all.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe delgado will go on the DL w/that hit!
nah…i don’t wish that on him. but i don’t want him to tell us that he needs time to “clear his head”
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
comcast SF feed driving me nuts
cutting away from the game to hear /watch some bimbo tell us about the Irish seating section
I.M. Forme
in other news
i wanna turn that toothless tom glavine #18 into a david wright esque pick.
I.M. Forme
I wonder if they're gonna do call-in's
Let’s Go Giants! A couple more runs, now!
Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!
when is Heilman coming out?
That’ll be the icing on the cake!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
has Amy the giants fluffer ever even seen a baseball?
claiming the printed letters not the seams of the ball left an imprint on some giants pitcher that got hit in the knee last night.
I.M. Forme
oh yeah! (in kool aid man voice)
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
bro! that is classic.
had to take a break to get some work done…came back and saw the Kool-Aid man. I can’t stop laughing.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
the biggest waste of money battle tomorrow night
between Pedro and Zito is closer than you think
I.M. Forme
Pedro is effective
Zito is ineffective. Please don’t compare them. I know Petey has been hurt a lot.
Granted
But giving money to someone you could reasonably expect to get hurt is one for of a waste of money
i think realism is the way to go
$126 mil for 7 years with 18 mil option, so far one year and a couple months of bust. Future unknown.
Pedro: guaranteed $53 mil down the drain. or $53 mil for a good 2005. average 14 games for 2006 and 07. 4 games and counting in 08.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
and i didnt dance
i did a kind of happy but wary shuffle. the red sawx were giving up on him for a reason.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if the Mets are the oldest team in the bigs, even older than SF
if you take away Alou
I.M. Forme
is it time to start talkign about the power outage
i mean, other post-juice teams are hitting homers still, right?
I.M. Forme
JUICE? let's talk Utley!
5 home runs in a row…something smells juicy!
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
where are you looking for that stat?
they might be “down” generally, but they’re non existent on the Mets.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
not looking at stats
or though I should, but won’t because it’s quarter to 1. But anecdotally it seems like the numbers are down.
i meant that as where should i look for stats. i'm genuinely curious
i’m sure hrs are down, but its only a slight exageration to say the mets have no power.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks. wow 52 sounds so high
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Wright 11
Church 10
Delgado 8
Reyes 7
Beltran 6
Castillo 3
Schneider 2
Easley, Chavez, Anderson, Casanova, Tatis 1
walk, clubed ground rule, hit batter, just need a wild pitch and a dong
and we’ll have a “heilman” night
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i still say he plucks his eyebrows
with help from a geisha
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by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
certainly a mouth breather
broadcasts are going the way of trips to the park—too many distractions from the actual game, jumbo screens, beach balls, kiss cams morph into idiotic fluff pieces that take the place of at-bats.
I.M. Forme
awesome comment...kiss cams..oy-vay!
who is your favorite play by play guy?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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