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Open Thread - Game 56: Mets vs Giants

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New York Mets @ San Francisco Giants


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New York Mets @ San Francisco Giants

06/02/08 10:15 PM EDT

New York Mets San Francisco Giants
Jose Reyes - SS Randy Winn - RF
Luis Castillo - 2B Jose Castillo - 3B
David Wright - 3B Aaron Rowand - CF
Carlos Beltran - CF Bengie Molina - C
Ryan Church - RF Rich Aurilia - 1B
Fernando Tatis - LF Ray Durham - 2B
Carlos Delgado - 1B Brian Horwitz - LF
Ramon Castro - C Emmanuel Burriss - SS
Oliver Perez - P Jonathan Sanchez - P
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Oliver Perez 4-3 11 11 0 0 0 0 59.2 50 37 32 9 41 50 4.83 1.53
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jonathan Sanchez 3-3 11 11 0 0 0 0 61.1 56 30 29 6 33 63 4.26 1.45

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Predict the Mets series against the Giants:
Mets win, 3-0
4 votes
Mets win, 2-1
26 votes
Giants win, 2-1
14 votes
Giants win, 3-0
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poll results 100% for a 2-1 series win

We’re all just little bundles of guarded optimism, aren’t we?

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2-1 is the minimum acceptable

we have a guy that can’t throw strikes tonight and Zito tommorow.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cain / Lincecum

Due to the fact that we have to deal w/one of them for the series, we’re not going to get all 3.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apparently, we can't hit w/runners in scoring position

forgive me for my negative vibes, but dang…1st inning and we can’t drive ONE home?!

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stat of the night

O. Perez has walked more batters than anyone in the league…Great

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bases loaded

well, let’s see how we do w/3 runners on…c’mon tatis!

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay.

It’s getting close to time that we seek a more entertaining way to spend the remainder of the evening. Self-cutting, perhaps.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

son of a bitch

he doesn’t even stay in long enough to beat the over on the 9.5 baserunners, damn him

by Simons on Jun 2, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

broadcast suckitude

I think this inning has been one of the worst I’ve heard on WFAN all season, so this is as good a time as any to complain about the WFAN broadcast team once more. I’m not exempting Howie Rose this time, either, though I detest Hagin so much he should take the balance of the blame. Perez’s breakdown would be a great time for a broadcaster to deploy some analysis—why has this happened, injury, psychology, just bad luck? what pitches was he throwing, which missed, which ones was he getting hurt on? But instead what we got, both from Rose and Hagin, was merely complaining, castigating Ollie for failing to “manage the inning” (meaningless bullshit), and a total absence of thought or even detailed description. Hagin just repeated over and over “how disappointing!” while Howie ranted about Perez’s need to “grow up.” Well, I think the WFAN team needs to grow up in a hurry here, and start providing a more thoughtful and content-rich broadcast.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's part of the problem with not having a true

analyst in the booth. It would be nice if the hired a guy to sit next to Rose who was a player who could provide some.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe, but I'm not sure that's the problem

Many, maybe even most, ex-ballplayer “analysts” just repeat contentless cliches and psychologize everything, too. The best of them have real insider’s insights into the game, for sure, but I think what’s called for is detailed description and analysis, and that just takes skillful observation and thought, not athletic talent.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah but the best

of them ala Darling provide something that a guy who didn’t play can’t.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone watching the san fransisco feed?

they commited the sin of recent no brain broadcasting-devoting screen time to asinine human interest stories while ignoring game-actually missed last out!

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's tough to put that all one one guy

You’d like to hear Hagin give some good insight, but Howie has broadcast enough games, and seen and heard enough other broadcasts, that he’s got some responsibility to steer Hagin towards some useful analysis if he isn’t providing any. Good play-by-play announcers can be counted on to do that.

by JoshNY on Jun 2, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

All it would’ve taken was for Rose to say something like “Yes, Wayne, it is disappointing, but I wonder why this has happened. Is Perez injured, or have his mechanics gotten messed up somehow?” —and the whole inning would have been redirected in a more productive direction. I don’t know if Howie’s tired, or just frustrated in that moment like any passionate fan would be, but he really botched that inning badly.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron and Pat

got delayed on my post…if you want some serious analysis and some serious fun. listen to Ron and Pat on WGN for the CUBS. man, they’re a riot!

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow just tuned in

guess i’m glad i missed it—good luck with your big contract Doh’P!

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CHUUUCH

Great throw.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on Jun 2, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did it ever occur to anyone

that just maybe Howie is right and it is simply inexcusable and inexplicable what Perez has done not just tonight but basically the whole year. This is shaping into one of the worst seasons I have seen in a while for a well regarded pitcher who was in his walk year and looking for big money. He is costing himself millions and more important costing the Mets wins. All because he has a ten cent head at best. That trade with the Pirates looks less and less like a steal every day and more like a real problem.

by Endys Game on Jun 2, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm gonna have to agree with you today

except i woulnt go as high as 5 cents

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ten cents?

Can you put some analysis or evidence behind this “ten cent head” thing? Or even an explanation of what it means? Neither that nor Howie’s rant seem like explanations to me—it’s not enlightening or useful if we just call him dumb when he fails and smart when he succeeds.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is dumb either way

no focus, all the talent in the world, cant learn to pitch

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

need I point out the obvious?

Some very good pitchers are dumb as bricks.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you have any hypotheses?

he has lapses of focus that sucessful pitchers do not have. if a butterfly or bunny bounded across the field, i get the idea he’d chase it. it’s “dumb” when you can’t focus enough to do the only thing you know how to do, the only thing that will put food on your family.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is our children learning?

I am honestly a little baffled by Perez as a whole, too—he seems near-perfect some days and near-awful others, with more or less the same pitches. I don’t think I feel comfortable ascribing the variation in his performance to lack of focus or dumbness or whatever, just because it could be anything. I still think he’s a useful guy to have around, but it does seem like he’ll never rise to the potential we (and the scouts) keep thinking he has.

Tonight, specifically, I have no idea at all what happened.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough but my response to the bafflement and frustration

is the working assumption that he is mentally not cut out to suceed. he certainly has the talent.
this helps me sleep better on nights like this.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the other hand

Church looks more and more like the steal of the year!!

by Endys Game on Jun 2, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perez

Is it possible that he’s injured? He wasn’t walking people like he has in the past, he was throwing slow meatballs.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is my bet

I don’t think any of us know anything about why he failed yet, but my money’s on an injury of some kind, even maybe just a tight muscle that screwed up his delivery. He couldn’t get anything at all over the plate besides what seemed like batting-practice cookies. It didn’t look anything like Ollie’s usual failure modes.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps but

he has so many failure modes. so many lapses.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We may have a ballgame

6-2, and now we have two runners on.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on Jun 2, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8 LOB after four innings for the Mets

Another example of great clutch performance!

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

avoiding the "clutch" thing

the mets do leave a hell of a lot of ducks on the pond. ducks breathe easy on the pond.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have been wasting opportunities

But the Giants are just not a good team. They keep doing things to keep the Mets in the game.

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on Jun 2, 2008 11:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants

simply look dreadful in the field

by Endys Game on Jun 2, 2008 11:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zambrano triples?

r u kidding? can we get some of what the cubs are taking?

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Checking out the Giants radio broadcast on my XM

and I could swear I just heard someone say that Omar vVizquel is a Hall of Famer!! Say What???!!

by Endys Game on Jun 2, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh brother, i heard the same comment a couple of days ago by buck martinez...i think

yesterday ron santo stated that Jim Edmonds was second only to Willie Mays in playing centerfield. A little too loose w/the comparisons I’d say.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now that is patentially ridculous comment

by a guy who should be in the HOF IMO. Jim Edmonds was never even the best CF is era. Dude was overacted.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a lot of people believe that

if Mazorski and Ozzie Smith are in then it’s possible. It’s going to be interesting to see how it handled. I think the writers might put him as a repudiation to the steroid era.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think its a joke that

the Giants are trying to white wash Bonds from their history. I’m ambivalent about him, but dude saved that franchise and helped them get that ballpark.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i get he was well compensated and all

but he was Giant baseball for much of 15 years. Give the guy his figurative Gold Watch. I’m not condoning his lying, roiding or his generally jerk behavior, but he deserves better from them IMO. They’d be playing in the Trop without him.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but doesn't that cut both ways

the Giants and Peter McGowan made tons off Barry trips to Victor Conte. To wash their hands of the whole thing now seems like something a White House Press Secretary would do/.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 2, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed.

They should be building statues of him there right now, not pretending the reigning home run king never played for their team.

by anonymous on Jun 2, 2008 11:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep, pretty disgusting

i think the worst thing i saw during the whole escapade is when the commish saw bonds break the record and you could tell he wanted to smile…but he didn’t. he just looked dumb-struck. i think that look said it all.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe delgado will go on the DL w/that hit!

nah…i don’t wish that on him. but i don’t want him to tell us that he needs time to “clear his head”

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 2, 2008 11:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

comcast SF feed driving me nuts

cutting away from the game to hear /watch some bimbo tell us about the Irish seating section

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 2, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She drives Giants’ fans nuts too, you are not alone.

by paboperfecto on Jun 3, 2008 9:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in other news

i wanna turn that toothless tom glavine #18 into a david wright esque pick.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if they're gonna do call-in's

Let’s Go Giants! A couple more runs, now!

Fight J-Roll the A-Holl!

by Prince on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

has Amy the giants fluffer ever even seen a baseball?

claiming the printed letters not the seams of the ball left an imprint on some giants pitcher that got hit in the knee last night.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bro! that is classic.

had to take a break to get some work done…came back and saw the Kool-Aid man. I can’t stop laughing.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jun 3, 2008 12:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the biggest waste of money battle tomorrow night

between Pedro and Zito is closer than you think

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pedro is effective

Zito is ineffective. Please don’t compare them. I know Petey has been hurt a lot.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 3, 2008 12:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Granted

But giving money to someone you could reasonably expect to get hurt is one for of a waste of money

by JoshNY on Jun 3, 2008 12:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think realism is the way to go

$126 mil for 7 years with 18 mil option, so far one year and a couple months of bust. Future unknown.
Pedro: guaranteed $53 mil down the drain. or $53 mil for a good 2005. average 14 games for 2006 and 07. 4 games and counting in 08.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and i didnt dance

i did a kind of happy but wary shuffle. the red sawx were giving up on him for a reason.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the least the Mets could do

is score three more to get me some points in the swag contest

by Simons on Jun 3, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it time to start talkign about the power outage

i mean, other post-juice teams are hitting homers still, right?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where are you looking for that stat?

they might be “down” generally, but they’re non existent on the Mets.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not looking at stats

or though I should, but won’t because it’s quarter to 1. But anecdotally it seems like the numbers are down.

by DoctorK16 on Jun 3, 2008 12:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i meant that as where should i look for stats. i'm genuinely curious

i’m sure hrs are down, but its only a slight exageration to say the mets have no power.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 12:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per baseball-reference.com

Mets are 10th in the NL with 52 HR, 9th in the NL with 265 runs

by JoshNY on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright 11
Church 10
Delgado 8
Reyes 7
Beltran 6
Castillo 3
Schneider 2
Easley, Chavez, Anderson, Casanova, Tatis 1

by JoshNY on Jun 3, 2008 12:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not overly impressive

We were 3rd in 2006 and 4th in 2007

Pitching is 7th in the NL in ERA

by JoshNY on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn

that sounds like a .500 team to me!

by Simons on Jun 3, 2008 1:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lmao

Not easy for #17 to be up this late without help from the white lady

by Simons on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants fan here

I come in peace. For the record, we hate Amy G too.

Everybody Loves Durham
comics | cartoons | Nattowear

by Natto on Jun 3, 2008 1:37 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

certainly a mouth breather

broadcasts are going the way of trips to the park—too many distractions from the actual game, jumbo screens, beach balls, kiss cams morph into idiotic fluff pieces that take the place of at-bats.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jun 3, 2008 3:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously

I think part of the reason Shea gets so much flak is because of all the people who can’t go a baseball game and be content with watching the fucking game.

by JoshNY on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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