New York Mets @ St. Louis Cardinals GameThread, Jul 1, 2008 8:15 PM EDT

Open Thread - Game 83: Mets vs Cardinals

by Eric Simon on Jul 1, 2008 6:24 PM EDT in Game Chatters Comment 56 comments

New York Mets @ St. Louis Cardinals

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	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2008 - Todd Wellemeyer	7-2	15	15	0	0	0	0	88.1	77	36	34	11	28	68	3.46	1.19

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Tony Armas, eh?

Yea, what's that all about?

14 votes

I'm his mother and he's alright by me.

18 votes

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ugh

How much does Lohse sign for next year? Like 6 yrs, $60M?

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it's what Johan uses

Has anybody tried that apothecary liniment? It sounds like a quack snake-oil.

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

weak sauce

that 1st inning sucked

more wasted base runners, just bad luck this time, though

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lets Go Mets

I gots a feelin this will be a barnburner.

by citislicker on Jul 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I have 9-2 cards in the swag.

Feel pretty good about that.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 1, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ye gods

the wild thing strikes like a cobra

I still like Armas more than Lima-time

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why is Castro playing?

After all that was made out of how Schneider and Armas have been together for so long this seems like a strange time to start Castro

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he's playing because he can hit

unlike Schneider

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sit back and enjoy the cosmic absurdity

beaten with the bat by rick ankeil, a guy who could probably beat us from the mound.

the cardinals broadcasters think Church should have scored on the Delgado hit, but the camera showed him trotting admiring the possible homerun. I tend to agree with them. It didn’t end up mattering, but when oh when will the Mets stress the fundies?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HEAD!

sleepy HEAD Castro defies the odds and ties it up. A ballgame!

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hip-pow!

This wellemeyer can’t dodge bullets forever.

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

King Hippo is a good hitter

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But, um, not so much with the throwing baserunners out

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he was throwing it to Beltran!

Easily nearly threw that one away too. Phew.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How's Armas look?

Saw he gave up a homerun to the Wild Man int he first.

by Eric Simon on Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i don't think he looks so bad

painting some corners i’d say

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

bad early

better late

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Church on Tuesday.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A Catcher who can hit!

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hippo is making the most of his one game this week.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He probably should be playing more

But that would mean admitting that Milledge was traded for a platoon catcher.

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The better Church hits

The more the Mets can get away with playing Castro

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll give Omar credit for one thing

He’s picked up some pretty good (or at least serviceable) throw ins in trades. Church, Maine, and Perez were not the main players involved.

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm ok with that

admission

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

now might be the time you that

considering Lasto is on the DL now so no one might notice.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

more!

they say hippos kill more people than lions in the wild.

by mmxii on Jul 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow. I'm having 2006 flashbacks.

Break up the Mets!

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Beltran should get a day off

He’s struggling. It seems to have worked for DW

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is the theory there?

that’s the second time a met outfielder caught a foul ball thus letting a run score.arguments pro and con?
I was under the impression the object was to keep the opposition from scoring.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

With a 3

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

With a 4 run lead it's better to get the out

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

up four runs in the 6th its a no brainer

you want to reduce the number of outs the Cards have their. The only time it makes sense to drop the ball is in those situation where you would play the infield in.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are the pros

what if the hitter is weak and the foul is strike two? what if your team gives up leads all the time? it may not be a no brainer all the time.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why you drop the ball when you were conceding the run

you’ve basically decided that you were content to concede the run with an out. So why would you be not content.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm never content

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It goes with being a Mets fan

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a no brainer most of the time

If it were the tying or go ahead run late in a game it may be worth dropping. Or maybe if it were just a runner on third. But in this case, with 1st and 3rd and no outs, it’s not worth the possibility of a big inning. Even if you drop the ball and the batter hits into a DP the run still scores. There is too much risk.

by Reg Dunlop on Jul 1, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

those are situations where the infield would normally be in

by DoctorK16 on Jul 1, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm more interested in the man on third situation late in the game

i don’t remember the exact situation last time, but i think it was Nixon and his weak shirley arm in left.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i mean

managers risk unorthodox moves occasionally. it is possible that you get some other kind of less costly out when the batter is given a “second chance” right?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 1, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm curious

Do you guys figure the outfielders are instructed by the dugout on what to do? Do they make the decision on their own? Do they just plain always catch it without thinking about the run?

by JoshNY on Jul 1, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs