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See You In Heil

Aaron Heilman over his last 22 appearances:

IP: 21.2
ERA: 1.66
K: 25
BB: 6
HR: 1
H: 14
OPS against: .552 (.184/.276/.276)

Turned a corner much? As horrible as Heilman was through the Mets' first 55 games, he has been pretty awesome over their last 40 games. He's been their best reliever by far over that span.

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Guilty as charged

At least as far as Heilman goes. I said they should send him to the minors or trade him. For once I am glad Omar didn’t listen to me.

by Endys Game on Jul 14, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Numbers

I find the homereun rate particularly encourgaing.

I was at the game on May 14 when he pitched a 1/3 of an inning and gave up 3 hits, 3 runs and a walk. Never in my life have I heard such booing.

Good to see him turn it around.

by Shomov on Jul 14, 2008 11:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea?

I was at this game where he allowed four runs on four hits without recording an out. The Mets had just tied the game in the previous half-inning, too. Doesn’t get much worse than that.

by Eric Simon on Jul 14, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who stole my team and replaced them with these winners?

If Beltran hits a game-winning grand slam to win 4-3, I’ll know something is amiss.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Because I’d be out of my mine.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Centerfield? Nobody.

There are some upstarts, but in Center, can’t think of anyone off-hand I would choose. However, I would trade Beltran for a Jimmy Rollins, a Chase Utley, an Albert Pujols, and alllllllllllmos Matt Holliday but not quite.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoa, whoa whoa, jimmy rollins?

not taking into account we already have a better and younger SS on the team, you think rollins is more valuable than beltran? i’ve never seen anything that remotely supports this assertion. beltran is 31 and has a career OPS+ of 117, rollins is 29 and has a career OPS+ of 98. thats below league average.

utley, pujols, holliday, ok, you can make that case. rollins? no way.

by kendynamo on Jul 14, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Rollins

I like how he plays and his sheer talent. He also seems to complete excel in the clutch. He, of course, would be moved to 2B. I wouldn’t replace Reyes for the world.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rollins

rollins’ “sheer talent” has given him a slightly above league average career. you’d trade the best all-around CF for that? hmm…

by gogomets on Jul 14, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

rollins’ sheer talent and style of play has made him a 101 OPS+ batter this year. in comparison, delgado has a 108 OPS+ so far.

rollins is not awesome. in fact, he often leads the league in outs and that pretty much makes him suck.

i guess his trash talk would be fun if he were on our team but no thanks. rollins > beltran is patently absurd.

by kendynamo on Jul 14, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We go for different guys

I pick em as I see em. I don’t need a stat sheet to tell me Delgado can’t hold Rollins’ jock at this point in his career. You telling me you’d rather have Delgado over Rollins?

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah

because of rollins’ age and that delgado is clearly on the decline phase of his career, i’d take rollins, but just taking into account what they both have done so far this year, delgado actually can hold rollins jock.

the main point is that rollins is not a superstar and is not close to as valuable a player as beltran, no matter what you believe his talent is.

by kendynamo on Jul 14, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you here, sort of

All of the stats that get thrown out around here mean very little to me, I go more by what I see out of the player.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 14, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say that

But I’d certainly rather have Reyes than Rollins.

by JoshNY on Jul 14, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought process

I can only imagine that you’re weighting runs scored in later innings according to some clutch scale. If you want to say that Beltran isn’t super clutch because he doesn’t always have great late-inning numbers, fine. You can make that argument, and it wouldn’t be a ridiculous one. He *does* come up with big late-inning hits, but not as often as some other players. I’ll accept that.

But surely you’ll admit that, in terms of winning a particular ballgame, a run scored in the first inning is just as valuable as a run scored in the ninth or tenth inning. If you want to call first-inning runs less clutch than 10th-inning runs, I’m fine with that, too.

If you would just admit to believing the following two points then we can probably put this all to rest:

1) Whatever your definition of clutch aside, Carlos Beltran is a very good, possibly great, all-around player and there are very few active players you would prefer to have playing centerfield for the Mets.

2) That a run scored in the first inning is equal to one run and that a run scored in the tenth inning is also equal to one run. Whatever credit you want to give to a particular player being clutch aside, in terms of accruing enough runs to win a game those two runs are exactly equivalent.

by Eric Simon on Jul 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, i agree,

I wouldn’t call beltran clutch at all really, let alone super clutch. Every player will have a rare late inning hit. Even Brett Gardner did it. :-) I just think your highest paid player need to pick things up notch.

But Carlos is an excellent player in every facet, and I love him. I’m a liberal after all. Just like I love my country and want to see it even better, I feel the same way for Beltran. :-) You’ll never hear me boo him.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Technically...

Santana is our highest-paid player. That doesn’t really affect the point you’re trying to make though.

by JoshNY on Jul 14, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has he turned a corner?

Or is this hot streak the flip side of his awful start (regression to the mean), and is the truth that on balance he is somewhere in the middle? Based on his career to date, I submit that Heilman’s a better than average reliever, but not a whole lot better than average.

So I would consider dangling him in trade talks to get a quality LF bat now, while he’s hot. And by quality I do not mean Jay Payton, to mention one name that has been floated in trade rumors.

by madisonmetsfan on Jul 14, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nick Evans

Seems like the Mets went from uninterested sellers to eager buyers in the span of 9 days. Suddenly, with a surprisingly strong pitching staff (more below), and an offense that seems to have waken up from a season-long slumber (Good morning, Delgado!) we have a chance. Now, wouldn’t it be embarrassing to show all those fans tuning in that your LF and RF are, uh, re-treads?

I like Nady, but Payton’s return would fill in nicely. Matt Holliday, of course, would be a real coup. Why not think big? We’d have to give up the last of our farm, but I like the kid, and our lineup would be a freakshow. Reyes, Wright, Beltra, Holliday??? Plus, we’d have a lot of time to sign him.

Speaking of craziness, our pitching staff is a sight to behold. Think about where we were just two years ago. Glavine and Pedro, both aging, both shaky. And not much else. Now, all of a sudden, we might be seeing a budding trio of Maine, Pelfrey, and Perez - and sprinkle in the JOHAN and holy freole - a strong, YOUNG staff.

The Mets will compete if Carlos Delgado stays true to his old self for the rest of the year. We can’t afford for him to be a duncecap.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 14, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has been even better than the numbers

if it weren’t for the Chris Duncan HR off of Feliciano, his ERA would be 1.25. Even better he has come in in multiple clutch situations and gotten key outs. I think his BAA with inherited runners was .330+ pre-June. Now he gets 2 strikeouts with runners on 2nd on 3rd and 1 out. Go Mr. Heilman.

by rcfriedberg on Jul 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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