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Open Thread - Game 98: Mets vs Reds

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New York Mets @ Cincinnati Reds


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New York Mets @ Cincinnati Reds

07/19/08 7:40 PM EDT

New York Mets Cincinnati Reds
Jose Reyes - SS Jay Bruce - CF
Endy Chavez - RF Jeff Keppinger - SS
David Wright - 3B Ken Griffey - RF
Carlos Beltran - CF Brandon Phillips - 2B
Damion Easley - 2B Adam Dunn - LF
Carlos Delgado - 1B Edwin Encarnacion - 3B
Fernando Tatis - LF Joey Votto - 1B
Brian Schneider - C David Ross - C
Oliver Perez - P Josh Fogg - P
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Oliver Perez 6-5 19 19 0 0 0 0 103.1 87 57 51 17 60 89 4.44 1.42
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Josh Fogg 1-2 13 6 0 0 0 0 39.2 46 37 35 8 13 24 7.94 1.49

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Endy Hitting Second

drives me crazy. Why is it a common practice for MLB managers to hit the worst hitter in the lineup second?

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because

If, for some reason, he happens to get on base, he has good speed.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Running Fast

doesn’t justify hitting him second. You want to bunch your good hitters together. Additionally, since the second hitter is likely to get one more at bat than someone hitting down in the order, you should give that extra at bat to someone who is likely to do something with it..

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know

I was being sarcastic. It really is baffling why Endy and Marlon keep being put there. Why not Tatis or Easley?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Bad

I realize that my post came across as pedantic.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a problem

Sarcasm is untraceable on the Internet.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillies

SNY just referred to Uggla as the AL MVP of the All Star game.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha.

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 19, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillies Lose

should have been the title of the previous post.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is ridiculous

Let’s get the game going, for God’s sake.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree.

This is so stupid. Isn’t this why they started the game later anyhow?

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 19, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

But Larkin just couldn’t stop talking, I guess.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larkin

turned down a trade to the Mets in the middle of the 2000 season

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah and Phillips went out and got Bordick

For Melvin Mora instead. An underrated shitty trade.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

I’m not sure why that trade does not get more press as a really bad deadline deal.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips made that trade

and Abbot ended up starting the final game of the World Series; I am sure that wasn’t what he envisioned.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Bordick catches my ire

for not being able to make a play on the Sojo ball.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He homered

in his first at bat as a Met and I was fooled into thinking that he would be useful.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember that

Weren’t we all.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also,

he had a 113 OPS+ in 100 games with the Orioles that year.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free Castro

Where’s Castro? I’m going to make this my cause for the rest of the year. Free Castro.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I keep wondering whether he's hurt or not

Apparently Jerry is afraid of him, too.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hooray for mistakes!

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 19, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s a ball that Fogg should have caught.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Schneider sucks

And Beltran makes players throw the ball away with his grit and intangibles.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

preachin' to the choir

I’ve been howling about that for a year and a half. At least Manuel plays Castro more than Randolph did.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Commercial

If I have to watch this commercial about how Jeter has “an edge” one more time, I’m gonna break the fuckin television.

by Shomov on Jul 19, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess Ford

paid for the spots in advance so their still trying to get people to by a an SUV in $4+ gas.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that's why

their stock price is in the toilet (GM too).

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anything beats Giuseppe

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giving up on the young pitchers

I wonder if the Phillies would like a do over on dumping Gavin Floyd.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not sold on Floyd

His K/BB rate isn’t that great. He might be getting lucky a la Brian Bannister last year.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jay Bruce

someone wash his mouth out with soap.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beltran

That won’t end up on Carlos personal highlight reel. He should of caught it and misplayed the bounce. Even the best have low moments.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DUB!!!

Methinks it’s time for him to go on a huge streak.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who would be shocked if we've seen

the last of Ryan Church for 2008. I wouldn’t be at this point.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it would suck

but it wouldn’t surprise me either.

Also, Beltran sucks. Real clutch hitters find a way to not hit their 4th inning screaming line drives right at the first baseman.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree it would suck

but it’s a screaming indictment of how poorly they handled this.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take a close look at Fogg

you may be looking at the dumbest looking guy in the big leagues. He also looks like Curt Shilling.
Love to see a staring contest between Fogg and Dunn.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey i know this guy

it’s the bad ollie!

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's baaaack!

The fifth-inning meltdown has come an inning early.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dammit

In the name of all that which does not suck, please get some Ks, Oliver!

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easley catches it and Wally Bell

calls it no catch.

as a consumer of baseball, i am fed up with these bad calls against the Mets. Over and over again.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no Easley

i was expecting Bell to call the runner safe when Easley caught that. Not funny if i have to explain it. Not funny by any measure. Ump rage clouds my judgement

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Willie wouldn't have argued that

He would have stood in the dugout with that stoic (re: idiotic) look on his face.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 19, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but not like the umps ever want to get it right anyway.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no accountability

like every other facet of American life.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These umps are fucking retarded

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then Beltran did

We’re paying them a lot of money to stand there watching this game go to hell.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF, Wright?

Why?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was really beltrany

this whole game is beltrany

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's fault is that?

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 19, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my proposal:

Trade him to the Yankees for Melky and cash considerations. Maybe the Melkman can get a hit with 2 outs.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not weighing in on your proposal but

i do like “the Melkman” nickname

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this game sucks

after that inspiring first game come back, i really expected something out of this team. instead they seem to have reverted to being Willie’s wankers. Mediocre pitching, butcherboy fielding and anticlutch hitting. Argenis and Fernando can’t do it by themselves!

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Co-signatre

This really bites.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i just want to say to all the Heilman apologists

i don’t care if he is a second half pitcher, i tired of him long ago (in st louis playoffs) and won’t shed any tears when he takes his penchant for pivotal suckiness to go be a mediocre starter on some other team. I don’t know if there really are any Heilman lovers, but I just want to vent.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can John Hershbeck the umpire

take a vacation…DURING the baseball season?
fuck the heck?

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fun fact:

I went to school with his niece (Mark Hirschbeck’s daughter).

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 10:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes they can

they have a stable of vacation guys to fill in for them. It makes sense, their people too, and while they get paid well they don’t have a stable assistants to help them players and they do have lives to attend to. Plus the travel is brutal and they don’t get built in off days like players.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would make sense for them to take it so it overlaps the All-Star break

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but what about the ENTIRE winter?

i’m not anti-labor or anything, i just thought this a bit strange.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 19, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus baseball is every day

the other sports get days off by virtue of the fact they don’t play every day. An NBA official might work 4 games a week and NFL official works 1 game a week.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 19, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that was painful

If we get a 2-1 lead early tomorrow, I’ll know we’re doomed.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by Prince on Jul 19, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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