Open Thread - Game 102: Mets vs Phillies
by Eric Simon on Jul 24, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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Just heard about Pedro's father's death
He won’t be starting tomorrow. Obviously he should take as much time as he needs.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
Rollins a late scratch?
I’ll take an Eric Bruntlett ground out to lead off the game.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
I was positive it was gonna happen today
There ya go, Ollie.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
133 strikeouts for you, Ryan Howard.
We should make a pool for what date he’ll notch 200.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Here are my two questions
1. Why does Jerry insist on having somebody crappy hit second?
2. Why does Jerry insist on hitting Castro eighth when he’s in the lineup? It’s like he’s decided the catcher always needs to hit in the same spot, and because Schneider is a crappy hitter that spot has to be eighth.
With this group of guys playing, the lineup should be Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Castro, Delgado, Tatis, Easley, Evans, Perez.
Because he thinks the same way as Willie, unfortunately
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
I'm with you on that.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean...
This isn’t rocket science I’m talking about here. I’m not using some sort of crazy advanced statistic that Joe Morgan would make fun of. Castro has the highest SLG% on the team. If you want to use him sparingly because “his durability is a concern” or “Schneider handles pitchers better” that’s one thing, but when he IS in the lineup, why not put him somewhere that he can do some damage?
2 slot
counldnt agree. its criminal how poorly our second batters have been at getting on base. filling out the line up order is seriously not that hard.
would you rather
see beltran hitting two? and stick evans in the 8 hole? the guy hasn’t established himself as a hitter yet and beltran’s career numbers in the 2-hole - if i remember correctly - are remarkable. castro hitting 8th is equally inane.
hell yeah
beltran instead of evans in the 2 hole is a no brainer. pretty much anybody but evans in the two slot is preferable. evans, as the worst hitter in that line up, should be bating 8th, or maybe even 9th. hopefully he will improve but right now there no excuse for batting him 2nd.
Moyer is amazing, isn't he.
He is old, crafty, and the umpires respect him enough to make the strikezone extra wide.
Or, at least that’s what Wayne and Howie are telling me.
It would be better if they stopped fawning over the elderly Philly and complained about Nick Evans batting 2nd.
Anyone watching the game?
Three backwards K’s for Moyer in the first five hitters, is he actually getting an overly generous strike zone?
Howie just said...
“it’s not like the Moises Alou school of hand moisturizing.” when discussing why Moyer does not use batting gloves.
Get well soon, Pee Hands!
Ollie is looking great
But of course, here comes Pat the Bat.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
relatively efficient
42 pitches through three innings, 29 for strikes. At that rate he could go eight.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, bring him in, Nick
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
Alright!
Baseball Jesus gets the ribby after Wayne said he’s been having trouble driving in runners. Good work.
1-0!
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
you see Sabathia threw another CG shutout?
That’s three on the season. He has five complete games (two are of the non-shutout variety).
That’s keeping it real.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
west coast
waking up at 9:30am only to realize i’ve missed the first inning of a mets game? priceless.
just getting in gang.
what is the big deal w/the bat between moyer and delgado?
delgado…you should have walked the bat to him or the bat boy.
moyer, shut the hell up! the mets don’t like you, you don’t like the mets. get over it and play ball.
NEXT!
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Look at ol David Wright there on the commercial
Nice spokesman for the Mets and Citi field.
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
look out rick ankiel
nick evans is gunning for best arm in the majors.
Wow, that was a huge couple of outs there on Burrell and Howard
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Actually, Keith is wrong
Howard def. did go around.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
how about some runs????
The Mets blew a good start by Johan 2 nights ago. They’d better not blow a great start by Ollie. Get him some runs!!!
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
Man, the Mets are not making fucking Moyer work at all
He has thrown fewer pitches than Ollie at this point.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Delgado, missed bunt on the second pitch?
I guess he was trying to put it up the thirdbase line?
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
hey Moyer next time
don’t throw your bat! Old bastard, what are you going to do? Chew Carlos’ kneecaps off?
I.M. Forme
Everything going well?
I’ve been sitting in the rain watching the Rochester Red Wings and Toledo Mud Hens. It seems that good Ollie showed up today?
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Spoke too soon, I guess.
It’s just one. C’mon, lads.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
damn ollie!
lots of K’s…
gotta like it.
gang, do we think that Ollie is finally reached being consistent game after game or are we still worried?
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
gee-zus that was poor english on my part.
only 3 and a half hours of sleep last night….sorry
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
With a name like The Human Slot Machine
we can safely remain worried.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
But he’s Ollie, so you know he’s gonna revert to inconsistency for a while again. Then start dominating again, prompting this very argument again…
It’s a vicious cycle.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
a fastball that tops out at 81 and the Mets can't rake off this guy?
Come on, Mets. This should be batting practice.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Exactly
I wonder why this team has so much trouble with a soft-tossing 95-year-old man.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
why do they call pitchers like moyer "cagey"
he’s a junkballer. plain and simple. how he ever wins a ballgame is beyond comprehension.
How is Moyer getting so many popups?
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
it might have something to do with the fact that
his changeup is 2-3 miles per hour slower than his fastball, I dunno.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
one thing i'm noticing is how far the mets right handed batters
are standing towards the outside part of the batters box and moyer is painting the outside part of the plate. so the batters are hardly getting any good wood on it.
pop out to second then a pop to right field. not much wood or pop on the ball
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
woo, Moyer is coming out of the game
The Mets are into the Philly bullpen for the eighth.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
Whew
There goes Taguchi. I always breathe a little easier after we get him out.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
I do, however, like Chase Utley and these strikeouts.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
chase utley
gives new meaning to the word “chase”
oh man!
i love that by Utley!
nice job ollie!
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
That must have been a nasty slider for strike 3.
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 24, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true
This Ollie comes out to pitch, what, four times a year?
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
true dat
now we got nothing but worries.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on Jul 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it's like watching your life end in slow motion
hey, did anyone happen to notice that castro grabbed his right hamstring after howard got hit? as he walked to the mound he was shaking his leg.
oh brother
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Well
Ollie did about as much as you could ask today. Time to keep our collective fingers crossed.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
i'm going straight to the liquor store to buy a lottery ticket!
bases loaded and HEILMAN comes in and finishes?
ha! I love it!
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, Heils
I don’t get to say that often enough.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
yeah the facial hair by baseball players is one odd fetish
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Strip.
Strip. I’ve had a few already at the game today.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you know it.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Robinson Cancel
Best available pinch-hitter in our system? Discuss.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
hey, the Mets got a baserunner.
I’ll take it.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No argument there
But he seems like an odd choice for a pinch-hitting specialist. As long as it keeps working, though . . .
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but cancel is pretty much the worst hitter we’ve got. maybe marlon anderson at this point. i think it was a horseshit call. cancel is the 3rd strong back up, to use if youve already used castro, or even schnieder, as a PH in these situations. pretty egregious. manual basically sucks.
was he going for the hit?
Otherwise it’s obscenely stupid to take the bat out of the hands of one of your best hitters (who isn’t a DP threat) to let a 4th OF hit.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
sac bunt by reyes is also horshit
chavez, who blows, is next. reyes is a much better hitter. also look at the run expectancy matrix.
http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902.html
were now LESS likely to score that run. when can we fire manual?
Not until November
After we win the dang Series.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you need to have a shitty hitter in the 2 hole
otherwise, the terrorists win
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish that was my last name
Delgado-Romero would be cool. Something like Angel Delgado-Romero, Race Car Driver!
You would be faster
The name alone adds about 70 mph.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Having D hit fourth is genius. He’s all gotta make up for the notably un-clutch Carlos B hitting behind him. Cos Carlos B? No clutch in that guy. If there was, he would have told Delgado to get out there so he could win the game next inning.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
CARLOS!!!
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
Carlos!
Who is this guy playing first base?
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
incredible
although he looked like he might have come up a bit lame at third. maybe he was just out of breath?
forgot to drink his ensure this morning?
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
glad i never sold my Carlos Delgado stock
if Country Time can close this, i’ll go batshit
I.M. Forme
Beltran
“Oh, thank god Delgado did it. My palms were sweaty.”
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
you know
Your signature betrays you. “Beltran lines out” suggest Beltran hit the ball hard, and yet was unlucky, right?
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
At the time, Met nation WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Met nation was complaining of his bad luck. I don’t buy it.
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
What do you mean "don't buy it"?
Hitting the ball hard but right at a fielder is bad luck. With Beltran’s line drive rate this year, he should be hitting like 20 or 30 points higher. Even Keith Hernandez recognizes this.
C'mon Wags
I should put in at least an hour of work today . . . get this over with.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
and
it’s not even noon here in LA! I’m gonna go make something of my day.
good day to you all.
MVP! MVP!
Still a joke to me, but it’s a new year.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
That’d be a great thing to chant at him come September if he strikes out in a critical spot. I gotta remember that.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet!
Shoulder hurts? Fuck it, just throw 8 pitches to complete the inning.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
FIRST PLACE
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
boogameks
The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!
by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
OK, OK
I will forget about the colossal kick in the balls that was Tuesday and instead realize that the Mets are in 1st place and have taken 5 of the last 7 from the Phuckers.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
well put.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's acceptable now
One inning aside, the Mets outplayed those punks. We can dig it.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sucks that Ollie didn't get the win
after his awesome performance, But that’s not a big concern right now.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby
well
Thanks to his awesome performance, the Mets scored a mere 3 runs and won.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell
Nice job by all 3 starters this series.
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 24, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Perez seems back on track, and hopefully Johnny can build on a good start yesterday. I really do like the rotation right now.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 24, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We're alone again!
in the penthouse. Now for some revenge on St louis while the Phils have to face Atlanta. I’d say I like our chances, but im a metsfan. This was a contender for game of the year!
I.M. Forme
ahh, here they come
The ranting text messages from my good friend the Phillies fan. “Fire Manuel” seems to be a consistent theme.
Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!
dammit
missed all the excitement…
well, at least we won!
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jul 24, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
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