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New York Mets @ Florida Marlins


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Mike Pelfrey 9-6 20 20 0 0 0 0 122.2 130 52 50 7 44 73 3.67 1.42
W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Josh Johnson 0-0 3 3 0 0 0 0 17.0 20 7 7 2 6 18 3.71 1.53

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Let's Go Mets

But really I’m cheering for my swag contest prediction (which is a secret!) to come true because I want to win a life-sized stuffed Mr. Met doll. I just know that Eric has one!

by IanB in MD on Jul 30, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yankees got Pudge?

And all they gave up was Farnsworth? Holy shit.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reyes & Reyes

Either a personal injury law firm, or a very good 1-2 punch.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice way to start the game!

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So so very very close.

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

Damn, I thought that was gone

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Pelf.

Nicely done.

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 groundouts and a K

Yep, he’s looking mighty good these days.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got home in time to see Pelfrey in the first

Big Pelf does, indeed, look pretty alright.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marlon

How much longer is Jerry going to keep hoping Marlon gets it together? We’re in a tight race here.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Till Omar gets the perfect trade

Marlon Anderson for a ham sandwich, a bag of kettle chips and a Dr. Brown’s root beer.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mmmmm

Doc Brown’s. Make it a case, and that’s a deal

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll even throw in Schneider

For a piece of crumbcake.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crumbcake?

I’ll hold out for an apple pie.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marlon

maybe tonight he’ll go 3 for 4!
don’t trade him yet

by Kevin in NM on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know, I was tempted

to type a post about how Schneider suck, too, in the hopes he’d get a hit too. Next time.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

Do we really need Schneider and Anderson in the same lineup?

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answer:

No.

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No team does

unless they’re trying to lose.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oooh

Uggla made an awful slide, and he was out. Mets got a break.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dan Uggla

Can’t field, can’t hit, and now it appears he can’t run home, either. Enjoy, Marlins fans!

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't hit?

I’d take a .567 SLG any day of the week.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can we use this thread as an open trade discussion forum?

I’m worried the Marlins’ possible acquisition of Manny Ramirez might make Omar send Niese to the Mariners for RAúúúúúúúúúúúúúúl Ibañez.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You really think he'd be that desperate?

The Marlins have problems that Manny not only won’t cure, but actively exacerbate. That’s not the kind of veteran you bring on to a team loaded with young players.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

send Omar an e-mail

with the Marlins RS/RA that shows that, barring incredible luck, they will be out of this by September.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if anyone does

except the A’s and maybe the Red Sox.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's funny

is that based on run differential, the Braves and Marlins should have each other’s record.

Of course, the Braves are now finished with Hudson and Larry Wayne hurt and Teixeira playing in Disneyland.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate it when that happens

the line drive DP.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries.

Mike Pelfrey is awesome.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two best SS in baseball

One guns down the other.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 30, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've said it before . . .

and i’ll say it again – I can hate a man named ‘Cody’.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comic Relief

LaTroy Hawkins traded to Astros

Yea, Ed Wade. You’re just one OK reliever away from the playoffs.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 30, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, at least the rain's starting

With any luck, it’ll get too wet to play

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Consider the towel thrown in

Carlos Muniz is up in the bullpen

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

It is almost the fifth inning . . .

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They don't allow umbrellas into Joe Robbie?

Don’t they get more rain at Marlins games than any other stadium in the majors? Did I miss a rational explanation for this?

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently

The other eleven fans have trouble seeing over the umbrellas. (seriously)

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is out number two

Why waste all of our time by allowing Marlon Anderson to even bat? Just mark it an out and move on.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anderson-Schneider-Pitcher

The opposing pitcher’s wet dream.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2008 NY Mets:

“The stuff that dreams are made of!”

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

at least something tonight brought a smile to my face

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please tell me he tweaked that hammy swinging

I really don’t want to have to steal the D’Agostino’s cart.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh.

I’m showering off this game already.

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting out frustration

I’m sitting in front of the teevee knocking in my new cricket bat with a mallet. It feels good to be hitting something while watching the game tonight.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat on it!

Beat it good, brother!

But if your arm gets tired, or if you start to blister, switch arms.

by IanB in MD on Jul 30, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh

Are we really going to lose a series to these clowns?

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we do . . .

Omar will get on the phone after the game and give Seattle F-Mart, Niese, $8,000,000 and a Diamond Club suite at CitiField for next year in exchange for Jose Guillen. Then I will cry.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pelfey

was due for a bad game, but I have my doubts if we can make do with Tatis and Endy/Marlon for rest of season. I think Omar is going to make some move

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

On all counts. Tatis is smoking hot and I have no problem with Jerry riding him until he turns back into a pumpkin. Endy is a fine defensive replacement and Marlon Anderson, well, his mom sure thinks highly of him.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed it

What was the question?

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say gooden too

HEre’s another: what HOF pitcher who is predominately a starter was the most recent to make his major league debut

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thinking either

Nolan Ryan or Tom Seaver. Can’t remember who came up first.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

final answer

ok you’re right. I was amazed by this. The next starter to go in will probably be Clemens and he started in 1984 so that means that no starter will have made the HOF who started in bigs between 1967-1984

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably won't be Clemens

Not after the whole McNamee affair. And the actual affairs

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he will and

should get in. If he doesn’t than the next guy in hasn’t even retired yet-Glavine, Maddux, Johnson, Martinez, Smoltz?

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's assuming that

Morris and Blyleven never garner enough support. Bert should, but won’t. Jack shouldn’t, but might. And for the record, I think the whole steroids thing taints Clemens far too much. Personally, I think there’s too much of a cloud around him to allow him in.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Morris deserves to be in

more than Blyleven. I think he won more games in the 1980s than anybody and how about Game 7 performance against the Braves.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“most wins in the 1980s” is an arbitrary time delimiter added on top of the act that wins are a poor way to measure a pitcher’s performance

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excuse me

I’m sorry I picked he wrong time delimiter. I thought this was baseball, not quantum physics

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excuse me

I’m sorry I used a long word. “time period” if you prefer. The point is it’s arbitrary. Why is that more important than who had the most wins from 1983 to 1993?

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so much arbitrary

as it is convenient. And yeah, Game 7 was a hell of a performance by Morris, but it’s just one game. You might as well cite his 16 Opening Day starts.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Predominantly

I’m assuming this is to discount Dennis Eckersley, though Eck threw many more innings as a starter than a reliever.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fact that we're going that far back

is both a damning indictment of pitchers from the ‘70s and 80s, and a testament to the longevity of those who really were great.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Johnson

looks great and Anibal Sanchez is coming back. Could it be 2003 all over again. Maybe not, but Marlins aren’t going away so fast

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another hit for Marlon

You know what they say about blind squirrels and acorns

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, then

that makes things a little more interesting . . . EASLEY!

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That was prophetic by Gary

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HOLY JEEZY CREEZY!!!!

EASLEY!!

To Err Is Human, To Forgive Is A Mets Fan.

by pingel on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And credit where it's due:

Those 2 innings from Muniz look pretty great right now. A nice surprise from him.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The hell is going on?

Muniz throws 2 quality innings, black is white, up is down, war is peace!!

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that woke everybody up

no more trivia questions we have a game. Easley is ok as starter but I woud rather see him coming off the bench and let Reyes play second and send Castillo home.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Mets have had so many viable second basemen

but they’ve always made the wrong decisions about them.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 30, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

For a second there I thought you meant Jose Reyes. I was trying to figure out who was playing short.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gasp every time a ball is hit to Marlon.

You know, I am never going to embiggen us all with my game thread contributions. I can’t see it happening.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 30, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing

Not about your embiggening skills, but rather about when Endy was coming in as a defensive replacement and Tatis was being moved to left field.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish you would

BobbyV is a machine, but you could at least moderately embiggen us with more regularity.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you.

Not so much a machine, just a guy with very little else to do most nights

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been hitting a wooden bat with a mallet for most of the last 75 minutes

I’m not sure it’s an improvement over discussions on game threads.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh well

That was almost a nice comeback.

by Eric Simon on Jul 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh

-la.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 30, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe

has really sucked lately. We need some bullpen help too

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marlins

have tailored their team to the ballpark with Green Monster Lite in left center and their righthanded power. They are pretty scary

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in other words

Since they’re lucky to be 5 (soon to be 6) games over .500 when they’ve been outscored by 30 runs over the course of the season

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is absurd

a win is a win. It doesn’t matter how you get there. they are not a bad team and have a good chance of finishing ahead of the Mets who I guess aren’t “lucky.”

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're not a 'bad' team

but they are decidedly mediocre. They’ve been outscored by 30 runs so far this season. That doesn’t happen to good teams

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, yes

“bad” was an overstatement

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey Josh

stick to your guns. Don’t flip flop on me

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More than that.

Coming into the night, the Mets were meeting their Pythagoran prediction. In other words, they’re about where their run differential would lead you to expect them to be

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh I thought you were kidding

what is this pythagorean bullshit is it pitching squared plus hitting squared equally mets blogger squared

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing so complicated

Runs scored vs. runs allowed. The higher your run differential, the better your expected record. According to Pythagoras, a team that’s -30 should be a few games under .500. Outperforming Pythagoras means a team’s been lucky.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is bullshit

Luck can’t be behind a team being 6 games over 500 after more than 100 games are played.

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry

Didn’t mean to hit ‘post’. But why can’t luck be behind a team overperforming? Isn’t a player who has a career season just getting lucky?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then what is it, then?

If a career .250/.320/.380 hitter puts up a .330/.400/.510 line for just one season, and then reverts back to his normal craptacular ways, that’s not luck?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our final hope is Marlon Anderson

Repent! The end is extremely fucking nigh!

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all right, Mets. Rally time.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 30, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh well.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 30, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess Carlos B

got his big hit for the month last night. I’ll expect another at end of August

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice fight in these Mets

get the tying run up

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 30, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Was that him running? Jesus, dude’s either slower than hell, or still feeling that hamstring injury.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jul 30, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh well

Like Straw said, not the end of the world

by JoshNY on Jul 30, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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THE INCREDIBLES

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