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Open Thread - Game 88: Mets vs Phillies

New York Mets at Philadelphia Phillies, Jul 6, 2008 1:35 PM EDT





W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Oliver Perez 6-5 17 17 0 0 0 0 90.1 81 56 50 16 52 76 4.98 1.47


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Kyle Kendrick 8-3 17 17 0 0 0 0 92.1 104 55 47 11 29 41 4.58 1.44

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Why haven't the Mets called up Val Pascucci yet?
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Ugh

While I clearly think giving Church the day off is the right move, this lineup is really dogshit without him.

by Eric Simon on Jul 6, 2008 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So he's getting the day off

because of migraines? I guess this really makes Jerry’s move to give him a day off for Game 1 even more crazy.

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Jul 6, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Surely he couldn’t have predicted the migraine. If Church were to get a day off it would make sense that it be one of the first two games against a lefty, not today against Kendrick.

by Eric Simon on Jul 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Migranes my ass

He’s still suffering from PSD. Who are the Mets fooling with this crap.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh, Marlon

We’re all professionals here, right?

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah all the elements of mets baseball are here

unrequited baseloading, stars useless with RISP, befuddlingly bad defense. I feel so at home.

At least it gave us a new nick: “Wave em off” Marlon.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Endy!

Now that’s how you catch a ball, Marlon.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

man, it's dead here today.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what's happening, Doc.

I haven’t been around for too many game chats lately, but I usually catch up on them when I get home.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm good

not around for too many chats anymore myself. Really busy.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm here now

and i still hate marlon anderson

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ollie is really giving the Mets a chance to win here

Some more runs would be nice.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

man, Endy needs to be dropped down in the order

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The step back the Mets took this year.

All-Star teams announced. No Jose. No David Wright. No Beltran.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a joke

that Santana and Reyes are not it.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wright, Reyes

Wright was rightfully beaten out by Chipper. Chipper is having a great year. That said, will he play? Reyes should be there. Pitchers haven’t been announced, nor subs. Santana will be there. Wright will, too. Beltran won’t, though. Hopefully Reyes doesn’t get in…he can use the shot in the arm, plus, I’d like to see him get some rest.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already know about the reserves

and Wright and Reyes aren’t among them. Nor Santana. Billy Wagner is the sole representative from the Mets. And honestly, I don’t care. Better our stars get rest than participate in a sham exhibition.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhh...

That’s frickin ridiculous. Johan has to be on the team.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game chat from Warsaw, Poland

Hey all – is the team still as mediocre as I left it before heading to Europe?

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jul 6, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

indeed.

You’re not missing much. Flashes of brilliance, punctuated by stretches of utter ineptitude.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NL ASG pitchers

Aaron Cook, COL R/R
Ryan Dempster, CHC R/R
Dan Haren, ARI R/R
Brad Lidge, PHI R/R
Tim Lincecum, SF L/R
Ben Sheets, MIL R/R
Edinson Volquez, CIN R/R
Billy Wagner, NYM L/L
Brandon Webb, ARI R/R
Brian Wilson, SF R/R
Kerry Wood, CHC L/L
Carlos Zambrano, CHC S/R

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NL ASG reserves

C Russell Martin, LA R/R
1B Brian McCann, ATL L/R
1B Adrian Gonzalez, SD L/L
1B Albert Pujols, STL R/R
2B Dan Uggla, FLA R/R
3B Aramis Ramirez, CHC R/R
SS Cristian Guzman, WAS S/R
SS Miguel Tejada, HOU R/R
OF Matt Holliday, COL R/R
OF Ryan Ludwick, STL R/L
OF Nate McLouth, PIT L/R

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and for good measure, NL ASG starters

C Geovany Soto, CHC S/R
1B Lance Berkman, HOU S/L
2B Chase Utley, PHI L/R
SS Hanley Ramirez, FLA R/R
3B Chipper Jones, ATL S/R
OF Ryan Braun, MIL R/R
OF Kosuke Fukudome, CHC L/R
OF Alfonso Soriano, CHC R/R

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

watch the Mets lose, 2-1

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank about it.

We have a team with Jose Reyes, David Right, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez…................and our closer is our lone rep. Wow.

Looking at the reserves, I don’t like Clint Hurdle’s pick. Can’t expect better froma guy who should have been fired before his team sold their souls last year.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice one, Christina

C Aguilera walks.
C Aguilera picked off first.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wonderful, duaner

harry kalas’s voice dripping with pleasure

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please just bring in billy wagner ASAP

Somehow I feel this is another game where he won’t make an appearance

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy's gotta come in.

Duaner is handing the Phils a huge rally…give it to the All-Star.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sanchez is ineffective

with the glove and with the hurling. if its not one thing, it’s another.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HOLY SHIT, that 3-2 was a clear strike!

It better be Wagner and Feliciano

what higher leverage situation could there be?

That’s insane! Two outs make the difference? That’s just suicide

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh, another rain delay

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Jul 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dale Scott could call the game on account of rain

one of the only ways i see the mets taking this one.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's so fucking painful to watch Perez pitch a great game, the Mets waste opportunities in every single inning,

and then a bullshit ball call on 3-2 to Utley, and now bringing in a much inferior reliever with 1st and 2nd with one out in the bottom of the eighth. Why can’t managers get it through their idiotic skulls that IN THE HIGHEST LEVERAGE SITUATIONS, ONE SHOULD USE THE BEST AVAILABLE RELIEVER, and that is Billy Wagner, the expensive closer.

And now the rain delay.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep raining.

The offense has killed us all year. The Mets could easily be on their way to 3 wins ina row IN PHILLY. How great would it be? But, barring a miracle sustained rain storm, we may very well go down 1-2. And that’s our problem this year.

And once again I’ll say it…no matter how irritated it makes everyone…but you guys have to STOP trying to sugarcoat our season with numbers. All the numbers in the world can’t hide the fact this team is NOT a contender right now. Someone, or two, needs to make a change. Either Delgado has to find his old stroke back, or Alou needs to get healthy and produce, or Perez and Maine have to keep pitching like they are.

BTW, again, great trade…give credit where it’s due. Benson for Maine. Nifty.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Hoya hoya*

/me rain dances

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he has been pretty clutch

this year…..now David Wright on the other hand

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 6, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What-ever.

Hide behind the numbers. Forget everything you see. Clutch single indeed. But TATIS has hit two bigtime homers this year for us…and he plays a fraction of the time and gets a fraction of the money.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come now, are you suggesting...

that Tatis is an everyday player? By the way, you do recognize that, in accusing us of hiding behind of numbers, you offered up your own stats? ;-)

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case anyone forgot...

HRs that Beltran hits actually result in runs being taken AWAY from the Mets.

by JoshNY on Jul 6, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

Great, f-cking great.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i've seen enough of Billy in the big spots

Dude comes a small a lot + his mouth = My least favorite Met

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps this was his way of celebrating

his being named to the All-Star roster.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe ollie can give him a talking to

about saving vital games.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"big game" billy has just ruined my day

i wait through a rain delay longer than the game for this?
where can the mets get a closer? i can’t wait to bid adieu to Billy Goat—

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well...

Joe Borowski is available! ;-)

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Billy Goat my favorite Met?

Naaaaaahhhh!

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 6, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we ever made it to the playoffs

im pretty sure the Goat would choke on us

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wagner= Benitez

=Matsui :-)

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Jul 6, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he did

Iguchi in Game 2 and he almost blew Maine’s lead in Game 6. I remember having very little confidence in him in that series. I can’t stand him and his big mouth

Save America. Impeach Bush

by elifriedman on Jul 6, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did anyone notice...

Chavez tried to bunt for a base hit in the top of the ninth with a 3-1 count and Reyes on second?

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fernando Tatis has such a stupid, long, loopy swing.

How the hell was he ever successful in the big leagues?

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was a deadly low ball hitter

until the league realized he couldn’t hit a high fastball

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my question

to those who chose “He’s not any good” on today’s poll: Is ARGENIS REYES a better PH-ing option?

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh well, when is Beltran coming up again?

tomorrow?

Another reason to hate the 08 mets: it’s the way they waste our time with long drawn out chokes, didnotcompetes, and other mishaps.

I.M. Forme

by itsmetsforme on Jul 6, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well...

This is what we get for only scoring two runs.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exhale

Maybe we can win it in the 11th. (Or not.)

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All right, got out of that one.

Now, let’s PLEASE get a run or two here.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW, there are two other games in exra innings right now.

Houston 6, Atlanta 6, bottom 15. 2 outs.
Detroit 1, Seattle 1, going to the 15th.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heaven help us...

if this game goes 15.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My events...

Watching Joba throw 4 strong.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, Delagado swing that bat.

They just insulted you by throwing that pitch over your head. You should write that in your little notebook.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting stat

I have the Sox-Yanks game on the tube. (I am watching our game via MLB.TV.) Francona’s on-field managing is becoming a bit suspect. As of this moment, Boston is 1-for-6 in stolen base attempts in this series. (Why would you want to run against Molina is beyond me.) Francona is giving away WAY too many outs.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no Manny, Papi

He feels he has to push the envelope.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

Even Ortiz-less, I would still kill to have that lineup. Also, remember the botched SB attempt in the ninth in Tampa?

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw all those comments pop up and managed not to read them.

Instead I looked at the screen and convinced myself that they were a response to my overwhelming wittiness, instead of something of import in the game.

by JohnPeterson on Jul 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Love the look on Smith’s face while he was hitting, like “holy gosh gee willikers this is fun!”

by JoshNY on Jul 6, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Rollins

I’d trade Beltran for Rollins straight up if offered. No hesitation. Anyone else?

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, last I checked...

Beltran can’t play shortstop.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That

and Jimmy Rollins can’t play anything but shortstop

by Eric Simon on Jul 6, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

today is not the day to kill Beltran.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure it is.

I’m not going to make points based on streaks. Beltran had a clutch hit today, and I cheer him on for it. That doesn’t make me change my mind, though. If I made sugh high-level points of the Mets weaknesses this year based on a 4-game streak, or one that would require me to take it all back because he managed an insurance single, that would be lame indeed.

Tatis did what I want to see Beltran (and Wright) do more often. It seems are biggest hits have come off the bats of Tatis and Easley this year. Weird.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he got two cluctch

hits. The HR in third was huge too.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

Look up clutch in a dictionary. 3rd inning, 0-0, ain’t it. Nice homer. Not what I’m talking about.

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clutch in my dictionary

was the third pedal on my old Escort with the five on the floor.

by DoctorK16 on Jul 6, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Losers hit HRs in the third inning, winners hit HRs in the ninth inning

Oddly enough, in the 16th inning it switches back to losers again

by JoshNY on Jul 6, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your memory notwithstanding...

Tatis deserves credit for his home run, but come now, he plays when everyone else on the team is dead or dying.

by JE on Jul 6, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're beating a live horse

Almost everyone here disagrees with you. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong, but at least take a step back and think about whether it’s really worth the fight, and if maybe you’re not giving Beltran enough credit. You’re welcome to keep making the same argument, but I think it’s a losing battle, and don’t be surprised when you continue to get very little support for it. If you’re just one of those cats that will never forgive Beltran for striking out looking to end the 2006 LCS, well, then nothing he or we can do or say will change your opinion of him.

by Eric Simon on Jul 6, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

I didn’t think there was any way he’d throw him out. That play took forever to develop.

by Eric Simon on Jul 6, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice win.

Hopefully, for once, it means we’re not due to have our hopes dashed again tomorrow. How good would 3 of 4 look>

The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.

by ZaBlanc on Jul 6, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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