Open Thread - Game 89: Mets vs Phillies
New York Mets @ Philadelphia Phillies
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This is basically the same line up that left 14 on base yesterday
On plus side, it’s basically the same line up that got 14+ guys on base to be left on
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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just checked
thats 5 position player with below average OPS+, including our super sweet #2 hitter’s 68 (including a .308 obp). thats effing gross. but then again its 8-0 in the third so i guess its working out ok right now.
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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Two Problems With The All-Star Game Nowadays, To Me
1. Since the AL and the NL play interleague games, the novelty of the match-up has died for me.
2. The game has meaning. Why ruin such a fun time with seriousness? I always saw the All-Star game and the break as a breather for everyone, those in the game and those outside the game.
I used to love watching the All-Star game, seeing the NL and AL players mix it up they way they didn’t during the season. The atmosphere of an All-Star game was relaxing. The players played but weren’t trying to take each other out and such. They were competitive but not so much as to not have it’s light moments. All-Star games should be frivolous and light-hearted. Not every single game during the course of a season has to have deep meaning and consequences. AL/NL pride was enough in my day, dagnabit!
I don’t care about it, anymore, and I don’t watch or listen to it. It’s too serious now. Thank you, MLB, for taking the fun out of baseball… again.
"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)
by wgarrett on
Jul 7, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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i think the game is still light-hearted
no one knows who’s gonna be in the WS, so none of the players really have a significant stake in the outcome. i’m sure the players want to win more for bragging rights than anything else
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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i blame Bud Selig for this and many things
still figuring out how he caused global heating
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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did utley tag endy?
looked he did, but the ump was looking right at the play…looked like it would be pretty hard to blow that call
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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Just logged on
have been listening on the radio and decided to log on. Thought the thread would be 50 or 60 comments deep by now. Big Big game. Where is everyone? I likey what I see so far.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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I love these games
When I just turn it on to see the Mets up by 5. Too bad they are so rare.
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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TATIS!!
2 for 2, what has he been eating???
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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usually its a pieness
but this is a welcome change
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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these are the Phillies i know and love
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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it's great to see another team
play as listlessly as the mets have played on some occasions.
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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Reyes
Now batting .301 and I would imagine his OBP is now around .360. He is back. Now will anyone in the press notice and start laying off the kid.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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maybe the all star slight is lighting a fire under his goofy ass
the fielding still needs some work
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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Not really
he is a terrific fielder and has made some gems in this series. He slumped in June with the glove but will bounce back. last year he should have won a Gold Glove. His bat has been hot since May and he has been getting on base. I know he acts goofy sometimes but he is the Mets’ best player. And he is maturing, he is still only 24.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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His fielding is cause for concern
His RZR is down about half a point from his past two seasons and he is making fewer plays out of zone. He ranks way down among NL SS this year in terms of fielding which is a surprise given his play the last two years.
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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just not that concerned about it
if it keeps up, I would change my mind of course. But we have seen in the last two days, that he still more than capable in the field. Again when he slacks off mentally, he sometimes butchers the routine play or gets to a ball late. That will change when he grows up. There is nothing that suggests he has actually lost range physically.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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physical gifts intact
mental focus wanders
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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Tejada-esque
Those are almost Miguel Tejada-like numbers…
Oh, wait.
WTF
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner
by dissento on
Jul 7, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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now the key is
besides not blowing the lead, get into their pen so they are worn out for the next series
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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nice
with an 8-0 lead, now i won’t care if pedro starts to let up hit after ht
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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I will
need to have him strong for the second half and he needs his confidenice back.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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i don't think we need pedro
starting pitching hasn’t been this team’s problem…consistent hitting has been a problem, but i think the offense has been playing a lot better on this road trip
it looks like the mets will be 7-5 on this trip if the score holds up, but they could have easily been 9-3. maybe this team is finally turning around.
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
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starting pitching
The offense needs to play more consistently , that goes without saying. But the starting pitching still has issues. Perez is still an engima, Pelfrey still a work in progress (albeit a sucessful one) and Maine can still be very spotty at times. The pitching might be good enough to win some games but to really take off we need Pedro to step it up.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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Pitching has been worse than you think
7th in the NL in ERA, 12th in BB, 8th in HR’s. Not bad but not great. And those numbers have improved a little with Perez and Pelf having some good starts lately.
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 8:18 PM EDT
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Walks
that is the key. Far too many of those. Elevates pitch counts needlessly and taxes our bullpen. That is my problem with Maine and why i don’t think he is really a top starter in the league yet. Too many walks and pitches thrown.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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the starting pitching may not be great
but i feel like they usually keep us in games…it seems like the losses come more often from a lack of offense or the bullpen blowing the game. but that’s just anecdotal…haven’t really bothered to look at the stats
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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holy shit
i just got around to checking the score on the internet. 8-0?!? why didnt somebody say something?
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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I just hope
Manuel doesn’t leave Pedro in too long if he struggles. He’s thrown 39 pitches through 2 and only 22 strikes.
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
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Yeah, it's long and the seats are uncomfortable.
IT NEVER GETS OLD!!!
"It's Father's Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday." -- Ralph Kiner
by dissento on
Jul 7, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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Church
Daily News suggested his season is “subject to question” or words to that effect.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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no its not good at all
if I were the players union, I would be hammering the Mets on this every day and calling for an investigation. A season is one thing but we are talking about a man’s life and Omar and Willie et al really screwed up here.
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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would that make endy a starter?
assuming moises continues to be of no use
by englishgrey on
Jul 7, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Unless they sign Bonds
A boy can dream, can’t he?
by Reg Dunlop on
Jul 7, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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its like a sweet sweet dream
nearly a nocturnal emission
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
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Reyes!
Am I crazy or was he safe there?
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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nice d wright
of course if that was beltrans homer wouldnt we hear about his unclutchness right about now?
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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Unclutch at 8-1?
Yer parodying yourself :-)
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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i am joking
and beltran is my main man
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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Mine too.
Though, I have the Reyes jersey cause I like the little guy’s personality a lot more. And Beltran’s mole annoys me. :-)
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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since we have beltran lovers/haters in da hizzy, a question to kill some time
what do youall make of Belty’s inability to foul off pitchers with 2 strikes. he has problems with breaking stuff I know, but I find it most puzzling that he watches those called third strikes go sailing by so often. Shouldn’t a MLB hitter be able to protect the plate with 2 strikes?
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
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i wish i watched enough games live to give an opinion
i do feel like d wright is one of the best 2 strike hitters in the game by my evidence is mere scanty anecdotes. maybe when im not feeling so lazy i’ll look up how the both hit with 2 stikes off fangraphs
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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yeah watching a lot of games
sure helps one grow to love/hate particular players
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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When is the last time?
When is the last time the Mets beat a good team, in a hostile atmosphere, so badly—that none of us had complaints? Good pitching, hitting, D.
It seems foreign to me.
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
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maybe it's a little much to complain tonight
but doesn;t easley know how to $#@% slide? if you are ambiviant about scoring then why take off for home?
speculation that his ankle hurts aside, damion is half a ballplayer—half the time he is completent and effective, and the other half he exhibits crappy defense and terrible instincts
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Church
MRI of his brain and neck, both came back negative. Whatever that’s worth.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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hope he's alright for many reasons
cause I’m a swell humanitarian, mets need for a right fielder/hitter, and can’t stand another media shitstorm this season
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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It's Jeffrey Meier all over again
Looked like it was coming back down and would’ve hit the fence.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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AGAIN
they revise themselves to be wrong!!!
the fan clearly leaned over the field. just like the delgado debacle!
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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MLB umps are awful
NBA level awfulness in sight!
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Except
These guys are genuinely trying to get the call right and they still fuck it up.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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and I'm assuming they are not as well remunerated
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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can anything ever come easy for this club?
i’ve already updated my mental standings
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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I'm curious
What could one of the umps have said to convince the rest of them that the initial call was mistaken?
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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whatever they said when they reversed the Delgado call month ago or so
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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this could be big...they should play under protest
i hate to panic, but i can’t help it
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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Woot
The resurgence of Aaron Heilman continues.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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I hate to say "I told you so"...
But I’ve been saying all along that his numbers would regress (or I suppose it’s “progress”) towards the mean.
by JoshNY on
Jul 7, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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he been down so long
it looks like up to us
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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Just need outs here
I should be more comfortable with a five-run lead and six outs to go than I am.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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well like i said Ive already revised my mental standings
also gloated to my wife, did victory shuffle, and stroked my pedro doll. So needless to say, any tragic ending to this game would be unacceptable.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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yeah well i was right when i said this would be a season turning point
i hate this team. Heilman, i’m comin to get ya. Maybe not tonight, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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oh boy..
I took a nap, the Mets lead the game by nine runs.
Maybe I just should have slept through it.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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Probably a good idea
I don’t feel so good about bringing Wagner into a three-run game right now.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
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Ahh Jeez
Hopefully that bought Tatis a spot back on the bench where he belongs.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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Yeah, honestly.
What the hell was that?
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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Have you met Fernando Tatis?
He’s a shitty, shitty ballplayer.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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i liked his circuitous route to second best of all
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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I think he made a brief stop at third on the way
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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and he forgot the milk!
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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Yeah I got to watch him play Left Field live
At AT&T….terrible.
I must have forgotten after that HR.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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ah what the hell?
I cant turn my back on this game for a minute! this is horse shit.
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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outside of the grim reaper
billy goat is the last guy i want to see tonight.
in fact, i urge you to check out my photoshop homage to Billy’s official entrance to the pantheon of mets blood pressure raising heroes of the 9th. really, i spent all morning on it.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
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yes but
what was it when it was 10-1?
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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I am going Insane!!
I go away , listen on the radio, run back to the computor scared out of my mind and now Wagner gives up a leadoff double!! Help!!
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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outside of the grim reaper
billy goat is the last guy i want to see tonight.
in fact, i urge you to check out my photoshop homage to Billy’s official entrance to the pantheon of mets blood pressure raising heroes of the 9th. really, i spent all morning on it.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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sorry i tried to post a picture, but i'm not too bright
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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Final score has to be...
10-9. It just has to be. Bob Murphy lives.
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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I'd take it
Just win the damn game!!!
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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Ok
I turned the sound off. I can’t deal.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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this is just like a script
written by satan,
will wagner get an out?
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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this is unsatisfactory
I really don’t like the direction this game has taken
by mmxii on
Jul 7, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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We're cursed.
It was all too good to be true. Wagner has to make us suffer.
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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How jaded am I?
That I am relived Howard is ONLY the tying run. How used to losing am I?
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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Got one!
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
by ZaBlanc on
Jul 7, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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I think I'm going to be sick.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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is it fair to say our group confidence approaches nil?
even with 2 outs
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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Thank God
Utley got taken out of the game!!!
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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ok, i feel better with burrell gone
i hate that guy
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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I will feel better.
If this is strike three.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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"OH MY GODDDDDDDD."
Me. Just now.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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that was well-formed speech
mine was more like “eeeeeee”
by mmxii on
Jul 7, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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I don't even know if I want to watch this.
Honestly.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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Put it in the books!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Jul 7, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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Thanks Billy Wagner.
For almost making my heart explode out of my chest. You asshole.
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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with win expectancy now at 100 percent
i am not proud of the way they won this
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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what an absurd game
thank god that series is over. and now that it is, good job.
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Mets win the damn thing by a final score of 10 to 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
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Jul 7, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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Mets Win!!
They Win!! They Win the Damn Game 10-9!!!
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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PS
Beltran even clutch defensively. Youc an all bow to me now.
The 2008 NY Mets: Reyes singles. Castillo infield single. Wright walks. Beltran lines out. ZaBlanc bitches. Delgado strikes out. Reyes picked off third. Fans boo. Padres win 2-1.
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Jul 7, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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No thanks
But nice job on that Murphy reference!
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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that was a shitty time to air mail somethign but lets not forget
that wagner barely backed up the damn play. He was probably lost in thought over some passage in Heidegger or puzzling over the tragedy of the commons.
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 7, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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Just watched the replay
The throw wasn’t that bad. It was off the bag a bit, but Wright was on his knees and tried for the slap tag, missing the ball entirely.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 11:09 PM EDT
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he never should have thrown it in the first place
play is to second base
by DoctorK16 on
Jul 7, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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I agree
But it’s not like he air-mailed it. Wright had a shot at it.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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I agree with Eric
and the press after the game could not wait to go after Beltran. 3 or 4 questions bascially trying to get jerry to call out his centerfielder. Uncalled for INMO
by Endys Game on
Jul 7, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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fair enough, but note
i was going after wagner, my prime target
I.M. Forme
by itsmetsforme on
Jul 8, 2008 3:57 AM EDT
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cant believe wagner gets a save for that
what a dumb stat
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
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Awful
Awful, awful win. But, 10-9 is the same as 10-1, I guess.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 7, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
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2.5 out you wankers
to all the fuckers who said we were done….we are a stones throw from the lead.
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Jul 7, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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Okay.
Duaner Sanchez is my favorite again.
Did anyone see that?
EAMUS METROPOLI!
by pingel on
Jul 7, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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OMAR! PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...
AND PLEASE! GET SOME HELP FOR THE BULLPEN BEFORE I LOSE MY DAMN MIND!
GEE ZUS!
"DUDE..."
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Jul 7, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
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now we can all stay up
ad root on the dodgers and the padres! go NL West go!!!
by kendynamo on
Jul 7, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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kuroda
nice game. if i were the dodgers, blanco would be wearing it his next at-bat, though. bunting in the 7th inning of a perfect game…wow…
by gogomets on
Jul 8, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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I'm gonna disagree
It’s still just a three run deficit and you’ve gotta do whatever it takes to get on base. You don’t quit trying to win the game just because someone’s got a perfect game going.
by Eric Simon on
Jul 8, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
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