SNY Pregame Show: Jon Heyman

by Diddypop5996 on Jul 7, 2008 8:17 PM EDT Comment 16 comments

What's up world...did anybody catch the Jon Heyman segment on SNY tonight. He discussed Matt Holliday from the colorado rockies being available. Matt Yaffas asked Heyman who would the rockies want back and he said Carlos Beltran.

Thoughts? I don't know about you guys but I'm still severely bothered at the fact that the guy watched strike 3 two years ago in the playoffs and yes even though he is probably one of the top 5 centerfielders in baseball...he has disappointed the met faithful one too many times.

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Holliday is a career .277/.340/.450 hitter away from Coors. Beltran is the superior hitter, defender, baserunner, and he does it all at a much more important position. I have no idea why the Mets would make such a deal.

I’m sorry you can’t get over the fact that Beltran took strike three against the Cardinals, but most of us have moved on (save the occasional straggler) and appreciate Beltran for what he is: one of the best all-around players in baseball.

by Eric Simon on Jul 7, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would consider it

But I would need more then just Holliday in return.
Fuentes?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 7, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No fucking way

by DoctorK16 on Jul 7, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

plus Beltran would have to waive his no trade

by DoctorK16 on Jul 7, 2008 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I just don't get it

Why can’t Mets fans see the value of Carlos Beltran. Is it really because of one miserable pitch. Will Barry Bonds career be remembered for the time John Franco K’d him looking with a ballsy changeup?

My future kid -“Thanks for taking me to the hall of fame, but why does that ball have an asterisk?”

Me-”That’s because he was caught looking to end a playoff game.”

by Sokojoe on Jul 8, 2008 6:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sigh

First, Jon Heyman is an idiot. He coined the derisive term “Vorpies” to refer to people who understand baseball much better than he does.

Second, (broken record alert) Beltran hit .296/.387/.667 in the 2006 NLCS. He hit 3 HRs. He and Delgado were the only guys in the lineup who bothered to show up against such legends as Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver. If David Wright had hit better in that series (.160/.276/.320), maybe the Mets win it in 6.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PLUS

The reason people are speculating that the Rockies might trade Holliday is because he is approaching free agency and they presumably they won’t be able to afford to keep him at an open-market salary. So why on earth would they deal Holliday, who’s still cost-controlled for the remainder of 2008 as well as 2009, for Beltran, who’s ALREADY making an open-market salary on a contract that averages $17M/year? If the Rockies deal Holliday, it’ll be for someone who makes LESS money, not MORE. Almost certainly, that means a package starting with Fernando Martinez.

Of course, as Ian points out, Jon Heyman is a raving idiot who probably understands none of this.

Aside: I don’t see how anyone can think Beltran is overpaid at $17M/year, when the shriveled corpse of Andruw Jones is making $18M/year for an OPS+ of (this is not a typo) 36.

by JoshNY on Jul 8, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Overpaid

I don’t happen to think Beltran is overpaid, relative to what his value might be on the open market right now (he might actually be underpaid), but comparing him to someone who is egregiously overpaid doesn’t prove that Beltran *isn’t* overpaid, just that he isn’t overpaid relative to one other player, namely Andruw Jones.

by Eric Simon on Jul 8, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, I guess that's a fair point

Andruuuuuuuuuuuu is obviously an extreme case.

by JoshNY on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that extreme

Other CF contracts
Torii Hunter – 18 million over 5
Gary Matthews – 10 over 5
Juan Pierre- 8.8 over 5
Rowand- 12 over 5
Wells – 18 over 7

I’d take Beltran at 17 over anyone of those guys.

by Sokojoe on Jul 8, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From FJM

” A) Beltran is not a “solid, at times really good outfielder.” He is a very good outfielder with great range and a decent arm.

B) He is providing more than 12 HR and a .270 average, he's providing a .370 OBP despite having some poor luck with the bat this year (.289 BABIP well less than what you'd expect from his 20.3% line drive rate; everyone who's watched the Mets this year recognizes that he's had a disproportionate number of hard-hit balls go right at fielders).

C) And he's on pace for 40 doubles and 6 triples (both would be the highest he's had for the Mets) and ~110 RBI (for those who think RBI are a meaningful barometer of a player's performance).

D) And he steals bases at the highest success rate of anyone ever.

I mean... come on. For the past two seasons he's been the best fielding CF (Andruw Jones's range just isn't what it used to be) and the best hitting CF in the National League. Sorry, it's just that the constant Beltran-bashing is one of my pet peeves. Too many people are simply unwilling to forgive him for making the last out of the 2006 NLCS and nothing he does will ever be good enough for those people."

Beltran is great!

by ams258 on Jul 9, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My copy and pasting, however, is not

B) He is providing more than 12 HR and a .270 average, he’s providing a .370 OBP despite having some poor luck with the bat this year (.289 BABIP well less than what you’d expect from his 20.3% line drive rate; everyone who’s watched the Mets this year recognizes that he’s had a disproportionate number of hard-hit balls go right at fielders).

C) And he’s on pace for 40 doubles and 6 triples (both would be the highest he’s had for the Mets) and ~110 RBI (for those who think RBI are a meaningful barometer of a player’s performance).

D) And he steals bases at the highest success rate of anyone ever.

I mean… come on. For the past two seasons he’s been the best fielding CF (Andruw Jones’s range just isn’t what it used to be) and the best hitting CF in the National League. Sorry, it’s just that the constant Beltran-bashing is one of my pet peeves. Too many people are simply unwilling to forgive him for making the last out of the 2006 NLCS and nothing he does will ever be good enough for those people.

by ams258 on Jul 9, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs