Friday Applesauce
by Eric Simon on Aug 1, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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PrintJohn Peterson reveals a trade that should happen, could still happen, would improve the Mets considerably and wouldn't require giving up any of the Mets' top prospects. It doesn't even involve another team!
Alex Nelson breaks down the Astros' pitchers over at MetsGeek.
The NY Post has a short interview with Keith Hernandez.
Howard Megdal has an article up at The Observer about the Yanks' moves and the Mets' lack thereof, and how the disparity of activity has to do with the relative minor league strength of the two ballclubs.
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OMF!! LOL!! (Now with working link!)
Not baseball-related, but NFL training camp is underway and SB Nation has great coverage of the Giants at Big Blue View. We used to have a Jets blog but it has fallen into disrepair, so I'll let you know when we get that train rolling again.
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Just to be sure
The “OMF!! LOL!!” link was for the Zambrano signing, yes? Cos it came up with a lot of other, less incredibly hilarious stories as well.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 1, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
Omar
This is not a harsh crtique of Omar who knows his minor league players better than I do but I have to say, if I were the Mets GM and someone offered me Jason Bay for say F-Mart, I would have been very very tempted to pull the trigger.
yeah, no shit
Do you have any evidence that such a deal was even a remote possibility? Or do you just regret that it wasn’t?
uh yeah
Omar told WFAN that he turned it down!!!
To be exact
He told them that he asked the Pirates about Bay but they they wanted a premium prospect. Singular. So I assume this means F-Mart. And Omar has said before that he was pretty much off limits. I don’t say that he is wrong either. I just don’t know enough about F-Mart. If he is close to the level of say a David Wright was as a prospect than I don’t know if you can blame Omar for staying pat. But yes, its a no-brainer that Bay could have helped this team now. I am just wondering if F-Mart is being overvalued. Now if the Pirates wanted Niese as well, than it gets even more dicey.
FMart
I doubt he would’ve been enough. This is just one prospect list, but per Kevin Goldstein before this season, Andy LaRoche was the 14th best prospect in baseball, Fernando Martinez was 51st. A lot of folks ranked Martinez higher, but LaRoche has long been considered a great prospect. Now, the Dodgers traded LaRoche, who was arguably already better than Martinez, and another prospect, Bryan Morris, to the Red Sox for Manny Ramirez. The Sox took both of those players, added Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen, and shipped the quartet to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay.
The point of all of this is that it took a prospect who was arguably better than Fernando Martinez (LaRoche), plus three other prospects (Hansen was a first-rounder a couple of years ago), just to get Bay. Given all of that, I have a hard time believing that Martinez alone would’ve been enough to get Jason Bay.
But?
What if the Mets had acted earlier before the Manny saga blew up and these other teams got involved?
Sure
Sounds great, but that’s all conjecture at this point. None of us knows if that offer was even made, when it was made, or if it were made earlier if it would’ve been accepted. We can debate it ad nauseum, but I’d just as soon move on.
That's fine
I wasn’t really trying to start a debate. I guess I just wanted to know what the chances were that Omar was overvaluing F-Mart in terms of tradesand/or the Mets future. It seems like maybe you guys aren’t quite as high on him as Omar seems to be but I guess I just wanted to confirm that.
If the Mets had offered F-Mart earlier,
I doubt the Red Sox would have accepted him for Manny straight up. They only traded him because he became too much of a pain in the ass. Doing a 1-for-1 deal, especially if they didn’t need to trade Manny, would have been too unlikely.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 1, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if he turned down that 1-for-1 deal, he's a bigger idiot than I thought
As Eric said, the package Pittsburgh ended up getting for Bay is so vastly superior to Fernando Martinez in value that there’s no comparison. I seriously doubt that even as poorly-run an organization as the Pirates would mistake that. So you have to think the Mets would’ve needed to offer a much bigger package to get a shot at Bay; in fact I’m not sure they could put together an equivalent package from the entire Mets farm system. Jason Bay is a very good baseball player in his prime: one toolsy kid is not his equivalent value.
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