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Open Thread - Game 120: Mets vs Nationals

New York Mets at Washington Nationals, Aug 13, 2008 7:10 PM EDT



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - John Maine 9-7 22 22 0 0 0 0 124.1 109 62 57 14 57 109 4.13 1.34


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jason Bergmann 2-8 19 17 1 0 0 0 106.2 112 59 49 19 27 78 4.13 1.30

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Which starter should go to the bullpen:
John Maine
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Oliver Perez
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Mike Pelfrey
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Pedro Martinez
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None of the above
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forgive my ignorance but...

who would take the 5th spot in the rotation?

are we calling someone up?

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess this assumes...

that Niese or Stokes would take the fifth spot.

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 13, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets go Mets

I missed teh game last nite so Im glad to see Keith back!

by tbach81 on Aug 13, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dumb Idea

The Mets shouldn’t be thinking of putting any of the starters listed in the bullpen. I could be out of my mind for saying this but a good starter is more important. You’d be better off putting any of the young pitchers you bring up in games as middle relievers. Take Niese or Stokes and put them in the pen to get their feet wet as middle relievers. If Heilman was a good or effective starter, do you think he would’ve been in the bullpen? In 25 career starts his ERA was over 5.00. You could be hurting yourself more if you put Maine or Perez in the bullpen—would they take to it well? If not, and the young starters falter, then you’re shooting yourself in both feet.

This 100-pitch limit has kept more pitchers healthy and effective longer, right?

"We praise or blame as one or the other affords more opportunity for exhibiting our power of judgment." Friedrich Nietzsche, "Human,All Too Human" (1878)

by wgarrett on Aug 13, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This 100-pitch limit has kept more pitchers healthy and effective longer, right?

I think so. You see a lot more dudes pitching into their early 40s. I’m with the guy at BP (or somewhere?) who said teams should take advantage of the shorter outings and consider going back to the four-man rotation.

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

less maybe

the fewer times through the order is always better for pitchers

Some manager should try a “twice through the order” rule for the starters with some good long relievers

by mmxii on Aug 13, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reyes-to-reyes

1st and 3rd, no one out. good afternoon from LA, everybody.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they also

pronounced his name “ar-genis” instead of “our-anus”. they also called him “dan-yoo-ul” instead of “daniel” murphy.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just you wait

for Joe-hane San-tay-na

by mmxii on Aug 13, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

million dollar question.

they will reference tatis’ 2 grand slams in the same inning AGAIN today?

i don’t know why that isn’t a daily swag contest question EVERY DAY. will the non-Mets broadcast team reference chan ho park: y/n?

it seems obvious.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You answered your own question

It’s TOO obvious—the answer will be yes every time

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh my god

they just called him dan-yoo-ul AGAIN. i thought the first time was just an accident.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too bad their work isn't pro bono

then maybe more of us could afford to go to more games.

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

including last night's game...

the METS will play a total of 14 games against teams below .500 (NATS, PIRATES, BRAVES) in a row. If there is anytime to go on a serious winning streak, it would be…NOW!

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

right...

‘cause they’ve done so well against teams like the Pirates and Padres so far.

by anonymous on Aug 13, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had a statistic up

the other day and the Mets were actually two games under .500 against teams with sub .500 records. Thats just terrible.

by tbach81 on Aug 13, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

that stat just gave me a mustard burp

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's always hope.

enough w/the negative vibes moriarty.

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note to Keith:

Hitters who fail 70% of the time are *not* good.

by Eric Simon on Aug 13, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I always cringe when I hear that as well

A .300 OBP is not anywhere near good.

"the game, like life, is full of men who are bitter, forgotten, and misunderstood. " - Joshua Love, Pitchfork, August 12, 2008

by Shomov on Aug 13, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maine and Santana

Why have they become ground ball pitchers all of a sudden?

by Reg Dunlop on Aug 13, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey everybody

How’s it going?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Keith

The Nationals suck because the defense is failing to make plays like the play Zimmerman failed to make Wright’s tough dribbler. I like him as an announcer, but only when he is bragging about drinking and smoking in the clubhouse.

"the game, like life, is full of men who are bitter, forgotten, and misunderstood. " - Joshua Love, Pitchfork, August 12, 2008

by Shomov on Aug 13, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it when

he reveals odd tings about himself like how he likes to collect bobble heads and old movie posters.

"the game, like life, is full of men who are bitter, forgotten, and misunderstood. " - Joshua Love, Pitchfork, August 12, 2008

by Shomov on Aug 13, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heart Daniel Murphy.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

murphy's law of RBI

“all things being equal, a dunker to left field will score one run”

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG the pbp dude really is calling him Dan-u-el Murphy

and Sutton is still complaining about the 3-2 call to Delgado

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why isn't sutton

answering with, “in his native country it’s probably pronounced…daniel”.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fernando Tatis:

Is there anything he can’t do?

by Eric Simon on Aug 13, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay!

John Maine: double-threat!

by Eric Simon on Aug 13, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maine RBI walk!

Nothing short of Mr. Koo-style exploits could make me happier than that.

by anonymous on Aug 13, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?

?

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah.

These are how games against the Nationals should go.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess according to Keith

that plate appearance was neither a success nor a failure.

"the game, like life, is full of men who are bitter, forgotten, and misunderstood. " - Joshua Love, Pitchfork, August 12, 2008

by Shomov on Aug 13, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AHHHH

I heart this game.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

finally!

some love from the baseball Gods!

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I think he was obscured by the runner"

I mean, no National could just fuck up a play or suck—it has to be the opponents’ fault!

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW.

How angry did Gary sound just now?

That was a BASE. HIT?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is hard to watch

But in a good way. Or something.

by Eric Simon on Aug 13, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

really?

I’m finding it pretty damn easy!

by anonymous on Aug 13, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need this!

i’ll take it any day of the week my good man

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bergmann needs to argue with the ump and get himself thrown out

Acta doesn’t even have anyone up in the pen yet

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be Clemens style

"the game, like life, is full of men who are bitter, forgotten, and misunderstood. " - Joshua Love, Pitchfork, August 12, 2008

by Shomov on Aug 13, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was starting to feel like

The guys in that experiment who are giving electrical shocks to someone in another room, and they can hear the guy screaming but the people running the experiment keep saying “It’s okay, just keep hitting the button if they make an error.”

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

manny

act-a now, please. for all our sakes.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was more like it

like a video game on the easy setting.

But remember what happened in Boston last night…

by mmxii on Aug 13, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Willy Harris weight 3 pounds?

How did he fall over?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Christ 89 pitches in three innings

Bergmann should call Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch

by Simons on Aug 13, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he can call me

I’ll talk him through it, for as long as it takes, on the condition that he follows my tough-love school of therapy and finishes the game against the Mets. And then pitches against them at least twice more this year… you know, to make sure he has a chance to get back on the horse.

by anonymous on Aug 13, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that will teach him

not to call Manny’s daughter and talk dirty

by mmxii on Aug 13, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My right hand hurts

In between the knuckles on my index and middle finger.

Other than that, I’m doing pretty well.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh wow, that's a 10

When I turned my TV on, the little popup display showing the input mode covered up the 1 so it looked like it was 0-0. Seems like the Mets are doing pretty well!

by JoshNY on Aug 13, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltran

Still not many HRs, but he’s putting up a lot of doubles this month. It’s a step in the right direction, at least.

by JoshNY on Aug 13, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunkie

Sounds like a name for a Scottish Terrier.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I honestly have no idea why I decided to share that with everyone.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yesssss...

I was beginning to wonder my good man.

"LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES AND ESPN...GIVE ME A BREAK."

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Aug 13, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently..

Dunky is a big dog that weighs about a hundred pounds.

What I just read in a blog somewhere.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naomi

would be a good name for a Scotty, if it was a lady

by mmxii on Aug 13, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heart Dan Murphy!

the mancrush continues

by tbach81 on Aug 13, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"two run shot..."

“for dan-yoo-ul” murphy.

by goth brooks on Aug 13, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AND HIS NAME

IS DANIEL MURPHY!!

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone calling in?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.....People look up to The Show?

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good.

I was waiting for someone to do that.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The fuck was that pitch at man?"

I believe was what Maine actually said.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy Mays frightens me.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I hate this guy. He makes me want to sell my Ford."

My sister on Derek Jeter.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals took the lead

against the Marlins.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Kid

continues to roll… and the mancrush continues to grow

by tbach81 on Aug 13, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got in

Saw a bit in the bar after my game, and gotta ask: did Maine get lifted after the 5th due to arm trouble, or just as a precaution since the game was already out of hand

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Precaution.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

I honestly hate these camera angles.

Wherever ESPN was stationed on Opening Day this year, those were fine. I don’t remember everyone looking like ants that game.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Everything’s coming up Milhouse!

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boy oh boy.

Stokes.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what Franchise should I try to rebuild on MLB The Show?

I already did the Giants and they went all the way to Game 7 of the World Series (I simulated the entire season)

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Impressive

How about the Mariners? Just for a real challenge.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooo.

I’m down for the challenge.

I’ll let you know how it goes.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, true

But that would mean beating up on the Mets. Are you just simulating a season, or did the Giants take several years?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008 Season.

I got rid of Zito, Molina, Aurilla, Lowry, and Winn.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had fair trade on.

I believe I dumped him on the ‘Stros and got Berkman.

It wasn’t just a straight up trade though, I think it was a three for three deal.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DAAAAMN

There’s nothing else the Giants could have given to make that trade remotely close. Well done.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I couldn’t believe that they actually took it.

I had to go back and make sure that fair trade was actually on.

The contracts are a little weird on this game though. They change, Berkman only had a one year contract. I think that helped them decide to trade him…..even if it was for Zito.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How very true.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha.

I thought about it.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly love this game so much.

I stopped playing GTA IV and started playing this again.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've got a bunch of PS3 copies to give away

But nobody every wants ‘em when they win the swag contest.

by Eric Simon on Aug 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the PS3 version too.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agh, I'm too far behind on games.

I still have a PS2. Forget about GTA, I’m waaaay behind on that series.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, got SA a few months ago used.

It is really awesome, but I have barely scratched the surface of it.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss playing Call of Duty 4 though.

That game is amazing.

"But it's not over yet, everybody thinks it over, but if we can just get the Earth to reverse rotation...this thing can be played again. So there you go, New York Mets......motherf*ckers." - Jon Stewart

by pingel on Aug 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know just about all of us suggested moving Stokes to the pen,

but I’ll bet none of us thought he’d record a save, especially before Kunz.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Aug 13, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I missed the whole damn game

And nuts to John Maine for not getting one pitch in in the 6th. Still, fuckin’ a! I saw the first five innings of this game and I liked it! Let’s do it again!

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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