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Oh Come On Now: Braves 7, Mets 6

This was a game the Mets could've and should've won, but they didn't win it, and now they're as far back in the NL East -- 1.5 games -- as they are up in the Wild Card race. The Mets have seven games left, and they could just as easily win the NL East outright as they could miss out on the playoffs altogether.

Wow, was this one a stinker. The Mets collected eight hits and eight walks, scored six runs but left nine men on base. The offense was actually okay overall. They didn't take advantage of a number of chances to build on their early 4-2 lead, but they carried that lead into the seventh and a 4-3 lead into the eighth, where four Mets relievers conspired to allow four runs on four hits and two walks. Jerry Manuel gets an assist for leaving Scott Schoeneweis in to face right-handed Omar Infante, who doubled and scored the first run of the inning.

And.. uhh.. Aaron Heilman, jeez, what can we do? I'm starting to feel bad for the guy, but the sad fact is that he simply can't be counted on to do anything positive for this team right now. Sure, on the whole the bullpen is a morass of ineptitude, but Heilman is the bog monster that keeps them entrenched in the muck. I still support him because he's a good guy, he's homegrown, and he has a history of being a very good reliever for the Mets. Right now, though, it's hard to find anything good to say about him. I don't know if he's injured or just having a miserable year, but he's death on this team every time he goes out there.

I was more than a little surprised to see Damion Easley pinch-hitting for Ryan Church in the ninth. Church has been pretty useless at the plate recently, but Easley can't even run straight at full speed. I've gotta think that Church is a better option at this point, even given his struggles and the lefty-lefty matchup (though he has hit a respectable .273/.330/.424 against lefties this year). Carlos Delgado's two-run homer earlier that inning made things interesting, but Easley surprised nobody by striking out to end the game.

The Phillies' and Brewers' victories cost the Mets a game in each playoff race, but they're still in pretty good shape for the Wild Card if they can cobble together three or four wins this week. Of course, if the Wild Card winner comes out of the NL East it gets a first-round matchup with the Cubs, and can count on seeing Carlos Zambrano or Rich Harden at least three or four times in a five-game series.

Ah well, onward and upward. Those aforementioned Cubbies roll into Shea for four games beginning Monday. Chicago has already clinched the NL Central crown, and manager Lou Piniella has said that his starters won't go more than five innings apiece (except perhaps for Monday's starter Jason Marquis), and we may see a mish-mash of starters and September callups throughout the series. The Mets need to cash in on any advantage they can, so if the Cubs want to take it easy this week they'll get no complaints from me.

Big winners: David Wright, +21.4% WPA, Carlos Delgado, +19.0% WPA
Big losers: Scott Schoeneweis, -34.0% WPA, Joe Smith, -24.7% WPA
Teh aw3s0mest play: Wright homerun, +17.4% WPA
Teh sux0rest play: Francoeur triple, -24.7% WPA
Total pitcher WPA: -49.5%
Total batter WPA: -0.5%
GWRBI: Martin Prado


Game Thread Roll Call

Nice job by LOUtheMETSfan; his effort in the game thread embiggens us all.

Name # of Posts
LOUtheMETSfan 127
BobbyV_Incognito 106
itsmetsforme 69
Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright 64
Omar21 32
pingel 27
gogomets 22
JoshNY 15
anonymous 10
mmxii 6
MetsfaninVA 5
goth brooks 1
kingcritical 1
Simons 1

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Ugh.

I tell ya, Eric, it sure gets more and more depressing seeing these graphs lately. The big spike from Mets to Braves in the 8th inning . . . it all feels so familiar. You’re right, tho, I hope, that maybe four wins this week will get the job done. Nothing left to do but keep watching.

Ya gotta believe. Let’s Go Mets!

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 21, 2008 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude

I do not want to get near that thing’s litter box

by Simons on Sep 21, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

This was a game the Mets could've and should've won, but they didn't win it

How many times has this been uttered by anyone and everyone. After I got back from the movie (Righteous Kill – wait for the DVD) I went over to a buddy’s house for some wings, Yuenglings and Sunday Night Football.

I read what posts were left to read after my departure and I must say that I got some great laughs. I wasn’t laughing that the METS blew it mind you, I was laughing because of the humor injected by some of the posts and also the sheer fact you guys could remain humorous threw out all of the stuff the METS have put us all through this season.

The only true justice is if we win the world series.

Keep on keepin on gang!

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 21, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Which was more painful:

Seeing the Mets blow this game, or seeing what DeNiro and Pacino have fallen to in their golden years?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 22, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Righteous kill was painful.

Pacino is worse. It started in Devil’s Advocate. He started trying to be too eccentric and he’s still trying to pull it off now. I don’t think any of his friends have the heart to tell him.

The worst is going to be when they start getting lifetime achievement awards left and right.

by Omar21 on Sep 22, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

You got to admit, it is a wicked fun movie. The only downside, really, is that it pretty much kicked off Pacino’s ‘manic period’.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 22, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

METS hands down

I love the METS. I don’t love Pacino and DeNiro.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 22, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franceour...

…having the biggest -WPA disgusts me more than anything.

Chipper fine. Yunel fine. I could even live with Brandon Jones coming up with a big hit.

Franceour is just a horrible baseball player. For him to deliver the deathblow is most depressing part for me.

Then I get to switch to the Phillies game, watch Dobbs get hurt, and see his replacement (Feliz) hit a mammoth 3 run HR. Just when I think I’ve hit an all time low, in the following inning someone hits a squibber which Felix barehands and guns to first for an out. Dobbs doesn’t even beat the pitcher to that grounder.

The final kicker was that Lidge comes in, puts 2 on, and up comes Dallas McPherson, another hacker. What does HE do? K.

by Omar21 on Sep 21, 2008 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

who wouldn't be?

That obviously took some work. You think a cat gets that size on its own?

by anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just surprised she can carry the thing

I suppose it’s a good for her that the cat is probably too tired to think about struggling while being held in such an awkward position.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 22, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

FAIL

again

The butcher and the baker and the people on the street, where did they go? To meet the Mets!

by Rod Gaspar Fan Club on Sep 22, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I still think the Brewers will out-suck us

and that the Mets will take the wild card. And I know anything can happen in the post-season, everyone starts 0-0, etc., but how far can the Mets realistically get with this bullpen?

Intuitively, I suspect there is a greater proportion of “close and late” games in the post-season than in the regular season. If so, this bullpen gives us next to no chance to advance.

by madisonmetsfan on Sep 22, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

wow

that Beltran thread got really stupid while I wasn’t paying attention

by JoshNY on Sep 22, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Most of that took place last night

That thing got big and nasty in a hurry.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 22, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was the most absurd thread I've ever seen here

One poster involved actually has been banned from a few SBNation sites for trolling, surprise surprise.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Sep 22, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey now

I have NOT been banned from a few SBNation sites for trolling

ohh, you didn’t mean me

by JoshNY on Sep 22, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell

I’ve been banned from one…but not for trolling.

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 22, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, it wasn't you, Lou.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Sep 22, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i missed this entire thing, and i just wasted 5 minutes scrolling through the thread

i hope it wasn’t started by my unembiggening reference to “Kid Rock.”

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Sep 22, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed it, too

The troll who shit on that thread should no longer be fed. When someone uses the same argument three times to defend the same lame argument, you got to just stop.

It reminded me of why I don’t read the comment threads on Scienceblogs or any of the political blogs I like. All it takes is three well-meaning people and one troll to ruin a good thing.

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on Sep 22, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

and, yes, I do mean to imply that AmazinAvenue’s SABR-hating troll pretty much reminds me of Intelligent Design supporters and/or moon landing denialists.

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on Sep 22, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

VORA is key to grasping Neil Armstrong's importance

Value over replacement astronaut, of course

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Sep 22, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He reminds you of Carl Everett?

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 22, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

That shocked me not at all when I discovered it. There’s nothing at all wrong with differences of opinion about how to analyze baseball — hell, we all know that, that’s what this site thrives on — but that thread devolved into pretty much pure ad-hominem nastiness in really short order.

by anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thot...

…it was a good discussion before gogo got involved.

by Omar21 on Sep 22, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for trolling.

It was because I was typing shorthand. For example, “becuz”.

The mod got abrasive with me for using shorthand. Told me it wasn’t tolerated there. The guy acted like he was king of the world or something.

Some internet dorks don’t know how to act when they become a mod.

The other one I got banned from was a Phillies site, for using the term “homo” in one of my posts. I have nothing against gays. I was using it more in passing, but that didn’t fly, especially after they realized I was a Mets fan.

by Omar21 on Sep 22, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't vote for a CFer on general principles

I don’t know why there’s even a discussion about “Most Valuable Player.”

FACT: The catcher handles the ball more that everyone else on his team put together.

FACT: The catcher usually chooses what pitches the pitcher throws.

FACT: The catcher is the only player who can see the whole field of play from his position.

FACT: The catcher is the closest to the umpire and can influence his decisions.

QED: The “Most Valuable Player” should the starting catcher for the team with the League’s best record.

by mmxii on Sep 22, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mods

If some mod is being an asshole, then there’s a good chance I wouldn’t want to be on that site anyway, so I will push the envelope.

Eric for example, handled a past situation with class, and I had no choice but to respond because of how courteous he was.

When a situation came up a couple weeks or whatever, he sent me a private email explaining that I had broken some guidelines for Amazin. In a respectful tone, he explained that I couldn’t be a part of the community if I didn’t follow the rules.

That is a great mod.

by Omar21 on Sep 22, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

ohhh there it is.

glad i was too busy feeling sorry for myself to join that little party

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Sep 22, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ick.

The folks at MetsBlog have suggested “D-Rex” as a nickname for Daniel Murphy. “Irish Hammer” sounds better to me with each passing day.

'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 22, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously

or what’s wrong with “Dropkick Murphy”?

by anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

two things

A) they’re from Boston
B) they’re shitty

by JoshNY on Sep 22, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I feel the need to say quite clearly that I did not mean to endorse their music.

by anonymous on Sep 22, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, it sounds like a punter.

And that’s not cool. Does anyone think a punter deserves a cool nickname?

by BobbyV_Incognito on Sep 22, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-Rex?

Nuts to that. I prefer the Irish Hammer. Gives him something to live up to. Also to hell with MetsBlog.

"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."

by IanB in MD on Sep 22, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody listens to techno

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Sep 22, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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