Mets Still In It, Have Carlos Voltron To Thank
by Eric Simon on Sep 26, 2008 8:00 AM EDT
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As the late Chris Farley was wont to say, "That. Was. Awe-some."
And as Chris Walken's character 'The Continental' on SNL would say, "Wowie wow wow!"
And as Michael Corleone said in III, "Ugh -- just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!
What more can you say? The Mets did everything in their power to lose this game, yet by some act of Jebus they didn't. They overcame another iffy start by Pedro Martinez; an "Oh yea, that's why nobody wanted Ricardo Rincon" moment of clarity; Daniel Murphy bunting with two strikes in the bottom of the ninth.
How'd they do it? Well, Ryan Church finally had a good game at the plate, collecting three hits and a walk while knocking in two runs. It was his first three-hit game since coming off the disabled list at the end of August. He came into the game hitting .203/.280/.297 in September, including a woeful 0-for-5 in Wednesday night's debacle. Whatever religion you practice (or don't), there's no denying we all went to Church on Thursday, and the Mets have seen the light.
I'm not really sure what to make of Pedro Martinez at this point. I guess he sort of had his best start since returning, striking out nine batters in six-plus innings. He also allowed seven hits and five runs to a lineup that featured maybe three Cubs regulars, and was on the hook for the loss (with an assist from Rincon) until the Mets' offense bailed him out. If the Mets pull themselves together for the final series of the season and manage to squeak into the playoffs, I don't know how I feel about Pedro starting a game. I guess that's a worry for another day.
Time to break out the #15 Carlos Voltron (or Clutchtron) custom shirts, because not only did Beltran drive in the winning run for the Mets, and not only is he one of the most udnderrated superstars in baseball, but the dude is this team's MVP. He's hitting .329/.424/.646 in September (and .282/.374/.497 overall). He is a superlative baserunner and basestealer, and is one of the best gloves in the game at a premium fielding position. He's my favorite current Met, perhaps in large part because he is so underappreciated by the masses, Mets fans in particular.
The Pirates, on the other hand, are dead to me. How does it taste, Pirates? Dead to me.
The Mets remain tied with the Brewers for the Wild Card and more to within a game of the Phillies for the NL East title. Each team has three games remaining: The Mets play the Marlins at Shea, weather permitting; the Brewers take on the Cubs; the Phillies face the Nationals.
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Actually....
…. I’m pretty sure you have Sweet Lou to thank for that win. Not that I blame him really. I’d rest my nicked up positional players and run my scrub relievers out there too if I were him.
I just wouldn’t say in a press conference a week ago that I “owed it to baseball” to play my regulars and THEN play a split squad lineup in a series crucial to the playoff picture. I’d keep my damn mouth shut or say I’m going to do what’s best for my ballclub instead of lying like a rug.
I just hope he plays the same scrub lineups against my Brewers this weekend….
Good luck! Should be fun. This is as close as I’ve been to watching Brewers playoff baseball since 82 when I was 13 years old!
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 AM EDT reply actions
valid points
- Didn’t face “Varsity Cubs” last night
- Pinella Flip Flopping – hey, just look at it this way. He’s sort of like a presidential candidate.
I wonder though if Pinella will sit his “A” list players against the Brewers. I don’t think he will because I don’t think he wants to face the Brewers in the playoffs. All of a sudden they seem to be…gaining momentum.
Anhow…Hey Eric, is there really a Clutchtron shirt? If so, how do I get one?
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Clutchtron
You can customize your own at the Mets Team Store. I ordered my #15 Voltron shirt last night. Came to around $30 including shipping. Use code ‘SECRET’ to get 20% off customized shirts/jerseys. It expires tonight, though.
Cubs vs. Brewers
I hate to say it, but I think the Cubs would rather see the Brewers in. If the Brewers win the Wild Card it means the Cubs play the 83 win Dodgers in the first round. Manny aside, the Dodgers are not a very good team.
Ethier? Kemp?
Billingsley? Kuroda? Lowe? Kuo? Loney?
Do you actually watch baseball?
you need to 'tude adjustment
does every comment you make have to be insulting? chill out dude, its just a comments thread on a mets blog. seriously.
Going after...
…reg dunlop a little. Appreciate your feedback though.
Yes. I do watch baseball.
I also know how to read stats.
LAD Offense: 4.35 R/G, .264/.333/.398 OPS .731 OPS+ 94
NYM Offense: 4.99 R/G, .267/.341/.423 OPS .764 OPS+ 109
PHI Offense: 4.90 R/G, .254/.332/.436 OPS .768 OPS + 102
LAD Pitching: 4.01 R/G ERA+ 120
NYM Pitching 4.43 R/G ERA+ 101
PHI Pitching 4.21 R/G ERA + 114
While the Dodger pitching is clearly excellent, their offense is pretty weak, whereas the Mets and Phillies much more balanced. And since three of the five games would be played in a hitter friendly park, (hurting the best pitching staff, but helping the best offense) and I have the second best pitching staff in terms of runs allowed and ERA +, (which should be able to over match a clearly inferior offense) If I were the Cubs, I would want to play the team with the weakest offense.
But of course in a short series anything can happen.
So....
…you from “Manny aside, the Dodgers are not a very good team.” to “While the Dodger pitching is clearly excellent…” and all I had to do was post a single comment.
Let’s ignore the fact that you simply choose to pretend Ethier, Kemp and Loney aren’t good players….
Manny is awesome and Dodger pitching is “clearly excellent”, and they’re “not a good team”? Um, ok.
Before they got Manny the Dodgers were 54-54 in a weak division.
That sounds like not a very good team to me.
kemp?
i mean, he’s alright. he’s got a 105 OPS+. not bad by any means, but nothing special…troy glaus, who, according to you, sucks, has a 122 OPS+. what’s the cutoff for sucking?
Kemp
I agree with all vs. Omar21 4ever, but while Kemp isn’t having himself a great season, he is something special. Meh, I’m nitpicking here. I get your point. My point is, he IS something special and will be for awhile.
OK
I don’t have time to do a lot of statistical research so I will use OPS+ and ERA + for my argument.
After Manny the top four hitters for the 2008 LAD are: Either 125, Kemp 105, Martin 102 Loney 99. That seems very average to me. The rest are seemingly below average.
Compare that to the 2008 Mets: Wright 143, Delgado, 131, Beltran 130, Reyes 122, plus the 140 OPS+ of Dan Murphy since his arrival.
Or compare that to the 2008 Phillies: Utley 132, Burrell 123, Howard 121, Werth 118, Victorino 103.
So, yes! Manny is awesome, Either is very good, and the rest are average or worse. As a team, their offense is not very good.
And, yes. Their pitching is good. But the Mets and Phillies aces are better than the Dodgers ace. Billingsley 140 ERA+, Santana 157, Hamels, 145. In the playoffs this is where one player can make a huge difference.
So, given that the Dodger offense, with the exception of two players is not good. And Given that the ace of the Dodgers staff is not as good as the ace of the Mets or Phillies staff. And given that the Dodgers pitching staff, while very good, gets to face the 16th, 15th, 10th, and 8th worst offenses in the NL 18 times a year each. And given that the Dodgers only have 83 wins in the worst (arguably) division in baseball. Yes, I would maintain that the Dodgers, in spite of making the playoffs, are not a very good team. In fact, I would say they are an average team. And if I were the Cubs and I had a choice of facing the Phillies, Mets, or Dodgers, I would chose the Dodgers first, then the Mets, and then the Phillies.
Now if you want to cite the calming influence and winning attitude of Joe Torre as reason you wouldn’t want to face the Dodgers, we can talk.
let us not overstate this Cubs Lineup argument
Brewers fans, I hear you but it was only one game out of four and Lou still ran out two of his three best pitchers against us. You guys faced the Pirates who have put up a triple A lineup all year.
Great win but we have a long way to go. Eric you are dead on about Beltran as always.
I only wish I could have been at the game
Cos the atmosphere, all things considered, was apparently pretty nuts by the end of the game. I guess that’s what happens when the rain chases all the part-time well-wishers and families away – you get left with the die-hards. Gotta love that.
Then again, because I was home, I got inspired to order my Voltron t-shirt. So I got that going for me.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
'twas nice to be there among the diehards...
…your brother and sister-in-law included.
It was the Mets rally poncho that did it, as I’m sure he mentioned. I’ll have four seats at the new park, so at some point let’s make some plans for a game next year, and you can rock the Voltron T.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 26, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
Lucky, rain-soaked bastards each and every one of you!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Rally Poncho!!!
We rocked the rally caps and poncho. It was essential.
That was one hell of a game. I moved to the front of the Upper Deck and joined a pack of beer-bottle banging idiots to cheer for the last two innings. It was a great little gang of wet morons. Hope more like them show up tonight to make some noise.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
It was loud as hell on the t.v.
Well, at least it appeared that way. I’m quite upset that I’ve never been able to attend a METS game at Shea. I would like to be around when everyone is revelling in the pandemonium of noise and bouncing up and down in the stands. It’s got to be a great experience.
During the NATS / METS series at Shea, the NATS announcers said it’s the loudest place they’ve ever broadcasted from.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates aren't dead to you - they're just dead
It’s too bad that the Pirates couldn’t come up with a “W”. Keep this in mind, however. This franchise just tied a record with their 16th consecutive losing season. This article talks about it. This record of ineptitude, by the way, spans baseball, football, hockey and basketball.
Thank goodness.....
..Voltron is finally getting his due.
Mets fans can be pretty disgusting, but it’s only so long until even a complete dunce can deny brilliance……at least until he goes 3 for 15, which will be enough evidence for the dunces to start shitting on him again.
Maybe I'm watching a different Beltran
Yeah he had a good game last night, but I’ve seen this guy come up sour in a lot of key situations, I’d swear sometimes that bat is crazy-glued to his shoulder. I still think that money could have been better spent on 3 players. But whatever, he is better than Keith Miller or Hojo in CF.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
Um....
….I guess you just have to accept that people like this exist, and that they have a right to post their “thoughts” on the game as well huh?
Basically, yes
No need to rehash what has been written here countless times. Some folks will never forgive Beltran for striking out looking to end the 2006 NLCS, and that prevents them from enjoying one of the finest position players the Mets’ franchise has ever known. Then again, that’s their problem, not mine.
Gary (or Ron or Keith?) made an interesting point when Beltran came up in the 9th
Apparently before Beltran hit his super clutch grand slam against Florida, he was thinking about his at bat against Wainwright in Game 7. He badly didn’t want that to happen again. I’d expect that most baseball players would say something like “I look at each at bat one at a time.” Interesting that Beltran admitted to thinking about his past failure and wanting to overcome it.
Not really.
“Interesting that Beltran admitted to thinking about his past failure and wanting to overcome it.”
Describing it as failure, implies that it was fair for us to expect Beltran to come up with a hit there.
Understand that even if he swings, it will only result in a hit 1/3 of the time AT BEST, allowing for normal variance. Add to the fact that it was a hellacious pitch, and you should probably lower that to 1/8, if not 1/10.
The mad dog wrote a book called “The Greatest Sports Arguments”, or something like that. One of the debates is, “Who would you want at the plate if you needed a home run to win the game?” His choice, Sammy Sosa. Why?
Sosa was a top 10 position player of all time, enhanced or not. However, he’s certainly not one of the best “pure hitters” of all time. He wasn’t even the most prolific HR hitter. He chose Sosa for his FLAW as a hitter as opposed to his STRENGTH as a HR hitter.
McGwire and Bonds were too good for that situation, because they would take a walk. They were TRAINED that way, and it is undoubtedly the best approach. IN that spot though, Mad Dog wants a guy who will expand the zone and still offer a good shot at a HR, even if that shot was lowered to less than 5%.
This was Beltran’s problem. He was too good a hitter to hack at that pitch.
Wainwright made a hellacious pitch. Even with 10 swings at that pitch (keep in mind you also have to look out for his mid 90s heat, at least as a reliever, and his change up), and you might get a hit 1 time. Beltran took a NASTY pitch, that isn’t even called for a strike by all major league umpires (but admittedly is a strike by definition), and got called out.
To hold Beltran accountable there is being extremely unfair. Even if you expand your strike zone, that pitch was nasty enough that you STILL might not swing. That pitch almost literally broke in from the bleachers.
Wainwright threw a wicked curve on the paint. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap. To condemn Beltran for taking that pitch, would be asking him to become Mike Cameron as a player. If you love him for how great he is, you tip your cap to Wainwright and move on.
ummmm.....ok
He was too good a hitter to swing at a pitch over the plate with the World Series on the line? 0-2, you protect the plate, its on page one of the “Tee Ball Handbook”
You want to love Beltran, by all means do, its a semi-free country, but this is one of the craziest things I’ve ever heard.
But seriously no need to rehash this, I just disagree on the Beltran love fest.
I
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
selective memory
some of the few times youve seen beltran have left you with a very poor impression and thats hard to shake. i get it, it happens all the time with players, and i even agree that beltran deserves it for some of his key unclutch performances.
but if you look at the seasons he has put together and his value as an elite hitter playing elite defense at center feild, then you get, as this article points out, an under rated player who is getting paid $18 million for $25 million worth of production.
I have your man....
….his name is Mike Cameron. He was a Met for a while. Those must’ve been some great days for you.
He’d suck all year, but man, if he ever got to bat with the game on the line, he’d give you that added 3% chance at a hit on a pitch outside the strike zone or a pitcher’s pitch.
However..
..I do agree that him acknowledging that it has an impact on his approach is admirable.
Beltran has repeatedly shown himself to be a man of class, dignity and a very high baseball IQ. While his comment is somewhat admirable in this day and age, it does not surprise me in the least coming from a guy like Beltran.
Not looking to rehash something from 2 years ago
That would be ridiculous. I just don’t see him the same way you guys do. I’ve seen the guy loaf on way too many ground balls, and come up small when the Mets needed him. I also see a guy whose power numbers are in steady decline the last 3 years, despite playing more games this year than any previous year. Is he a good player? Yes, without a doubt. He’s very good when he wants to be. His walks are up, but I’m not sure thats why he got the $115M contract.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah...
…more generlizations, lacking proof.
Perhaps you need him to grind his teeth and throw some batting helmets around to know he isn’t “loafing it”.
Just to clue you into how far off the mark you are, he’s performing well beyond his contract. By MLB standards, he has been a smashing success.
You measure his performance against the MLB standard, and the Mets are getting a BARGAIN with Beltran. I know, 115 is a relatively a big number, so if he isn’t hitting 125 HRs and batting .415, I could see how the casual fan would be disappointed.
You oughta know though, that when you post comments like this, you’re only revealing yourself to be a person that is completely out of touch.
You have arguably the game’s best all around player in your own backyard, and you have no idea.
Ok you're absolutely right
He is the greatest baseball player of all time. I stand corrected. Mays, Mantle, Joe D, Babe, move aside, here comes a .280 hitter with 26 home runs
No need to worry about the 7 HR drop each of the last two years, or the drop in slugging percentage.
I don’t give a shit about thrown helmets, Joe McEwing threw his helmet.
Is it too much to ask for ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS that he run hard to first base? To me that is loafing.
Like I said, you love him, I don’t. The only difference is, I don’t think any less of you for your opinion.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
no one is saying hes a first ballot HOFer
but a 280 ave and and 26 HRS (and more importantly a 374 OBP, 497 SLG and 130 OPS+) while playing extraordinary defense at CF is pretty fucking good, and well worth the investment omar made.
If he continues at this pace...
…or close to it into his late 30s, he should be a HOF-er.
The steroid era has screwed up expectations, but if he plays at close to this pace for 15+ years pre-steroid era, he would’ve make the hall.
Roids (and Pujols, although I’m not convinced he isn’t juiced) screwed up public perception of human performance in baseball.
Injury?
Ok, so you don’t really follow baseball. We get it. Forgive us. The casual fan doesn’t join discussions like this.
Beltran had knee surgery in the offseason, but played through it, the same way he played through a bad quad in 05. What students of the game consider an admirable effort, you want to use to condemn him. Ok.
When healthy (including this season), he’s been phenomenal.
"The only difference is, I don’t think any less of you for your opinion."
This is because you’re wrong, and I think less of opinions that are wrong.
dude, seriously
do you somehow not realize that you’re being obnoxious every time someone disagrees with you about something?
I'd imagine 'no'
It’s the way of the troll.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I know.
I’ll try to be more diplomatic.
In a world where a VP candidate can justify her foreign policy experience with, “Well, when Putin visits the US, he has to fly over Alaska.”, I suppose I need to lower my expectations on baseball blogs.
I’ll be “nicer”.
By the way...
…can anyone else believe she said that on national TV?
lol
it’s almost sickening how full of yourself you are. this has to be satire or something.
I suppose....
…that was your turn. At least your consistent. Ok, my turn.
You’re a poo poo head.
Back in your court.
I'm playing along.
That is about as much content as I get from you, so I’m playing along.
If the presidential candidates and their VPs can patronize the whole f-ing country when running for the nation’s highest office, I can do it on a Mets blog.
It's cool
There is one on almost every board. He’s a Beltran fan, good for him. I’m not a big fan of Beltrans, but what do I know, I’m just a “casual fan” for 30 years. For all I know he is a relative. It’s his opinion and he is entitled to it.
He can dismiss me all he wants. Injuries or not, Beltran’s numbers have declined 3 straight years. At this pace, Mets will be shelling out alot of money in 2 years for a guy hitting 15 home runs.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So Talented
Beltran is so uber talented that Mets fans know he can be better than 270/370/500. He makes everything look so easy it almost seems as if he is not trying out there. Everyone remembers Beltran’s failures in 2006 but also remember his out this world postseason with the Astros. That is the Carlos Mets fans pine for.
I'll give you this.
“jrs1940 as a Mets fan” > “Sarah Palin as a VP”
Oh brother
well, if jrs1940 and Omar21 were running for preisdent, I’d stay the hell home. Why don’t the two of you go fight in a bar or something? You both sound like fools.
Brilliant.
Thanks for that. You’re awesome.
You do believe that don’t you? You’re awesome?
"Beltran’s numbers have declined 3 straight years"
I’m not sure I agree with that entirely. 2006 was a career year and certainly the last two have been off that pace, but I think his 2008 has been better than his 2007 (or at least on par with 2007). The HRs are down, yes, but more doubles and triples = a SLG that’s only a bit off last year. Meanwhile, his walks are way up and his strikeouts are down, so his OBP is up. Putting them together, his OPS is almost identical to last year, and his OPS+ is a bit higher than 2007 due to the decline in overall league offense this year.
Meanwhile, he’s stolen 25 bases (the most he’s had as a Met) against only 3 CS and played stellar defense at a position that’s been even more difficult than normal when you consider how much time the Mets spent with converted infielders playing the corner outfield spots.
yeah we've got too many people expecting him to repeat 2006
which i doubt will ever happen. he’s quietly putting together a great season.
What is that doubt based on?
He’s played at that level for weeks at a time when healthy.
Do you have this doubt just find a way to put a negative spin on Beltran? It seems some of you are determined to paint him negatively.
I can only come up with one explanation as to why Beltran would be treated this way. I’m not going to go there though…
huh?
that year was way over his career numbers in terms of HR and OPS+. do you expect him to hit 41 bombs again? i don’t. is that a bad thing? no. i’d be perfectly happy with 25 HR, high obp, around .500 slg, and great defense. but hey, way to assume i hate beltran. i’m actually a pretty big fan.
2006
That was Beltran’s peak season, where he slugged almost .600. He was out of this world that year, and should’ve won the NL MVP. It’s unreasonable to expect any player to repeat his peak season, and yet players are constantly held to those unfair expectations.
looked at the mvp voting for that year
top 3 vote getters were 1st basemen who OPS’ed over 1.000. beltran, a CF, posted a .982 OPS. not to diminish great seasons by the 3 guys in front of him, but a .982 OPS from a CF is downright ridiculous. sizemore and hamilton are having excellent years this year and they’re both not even close to .982. insane.
I think...
….the media and MLB are running an experiment. The same experiment that the US government is running. They want to see just how stupid the American people are.
First they made Bush the president, even when Al Gore won the election.
Then they sent us to war to kill…..uh….
Then they put one of the best players in the game, in the countries biggest market, at a marquee position and is testing the power of the media by overshadowing him with inferior players.
Then they gave us Palin.
He has been..
….a 1000 OPS guy for months at a time before. I don’t think it’s crazy to say he can do it again.
He hit 38 HRs in 04 while changing leagues, adjusting to new pitchers…..
I don’t think 2006 was an aberration. I think if healthy, that’s the kind of player he is.
Samples
It’s not really fair to take a player’s best month and say, “Hey, look what he can do! Why not a whole season?” A game, or a month, or even a season isn’t enough of a sample to establish a meaningful level of performance, yet fans and media and even managers do just that.
Players get hot for days or weeks or months, but it’s unrealistic to expect them to perform at that level over a longer period of time. You could just as easily take his worst month and say, “Look how bad he was. He is clearly capable of being that bad over a long period of time. He’s a bad player!”. The truth is somewhere in between.
is there a way to "ignore" someone's posts
on here, eric? as in their posts don’t appear?
You know what?
If we’re discussing this in a room, you’re in the audience.
You add nothing. You’d have no place in the discussion, so you’d be asked to watch. If you kept popping up the way you are, with your meaningless remarks, you’d be asked to leave.
You don’t like this discussion? Start your own thread about some moronic topic, where you can have a whole host of people making unsubstantiated generalizations about whatever they want.
err
you’re delusional. neither of my degrees are in psychiatry/psychology, so i can’t help you. sorry about that. but uh, seek help. soon.
seriously, Eric,
how is this guy not banned yet? Does every single thread have to turn into a staring match where we see how long Omar21 can bait everyone before someone gets pissed off enough to descend to his level?
About as long as...
….it takes you to learn how to calculate win shares.
Of course, you don’t feel the need to wait for that before you use it to “support” your argument.
You’re just angry because I knew you didn’t really understand your “statistical bias”.
"bait" everyone?
So I post loads and loads of points, prove you wrong with factual evidence, and you think I’m “baiting” people.
I post like 10 points, and some dude randomly comes back with the equivalent of, “No you’re wrong. He stinks.”, and I’m not supposed to be condescending?
You, the great statistical mind, support some guy saying “I remember Beltran not coming up big.”, as an argument?
Perhaps you’re just angry that I shred you and your “win shares” argument because frankly, I proved you didn’t know how win shares were calculated?
"Factual" evidence
In August 2006, Carlos Delgado hit .291/.414/.686! It’s within reason that he can do that over a full season! Don’t believe me? You’re a buttface!
I know he’s gone, but I wanted to.
Sorry
He won’t be bothering us anymore. I emailed him twice in an effort to appeal to his better judgment, but in the end it was futile. He had already been banned at The Good Phight and Lookout Landing, and he is likewise no longer welcome here.
Eric (and everyone else)
I apologize for continuing to reply to him. I’ve been using the internet too long to let myself get baited into the bullshit he was spewing. I’m sorry.
Thank you, Eric
I don’t think anyone at this site will shy away from a good argument but this guy’s ad hominem attacks and mammoth posts were just going to keep dragging us all down. I like that you’ll give someone a few chances, but this guy was beyond repair.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
the sad thing was I agreed withhis arguments about Beltran and yet disagreed with his method of argument. It was one thing to be a bit hostile but poop head and the Sara Palin references were a bit much. I know these blogs stem from a Daily Kos operation but can we all agree to keep political references out of baseball discussions?
He's done it a lot more.....
…than 1 month. He’s done it for stretches of 2-3 months as well.
What you’re saying is true, but that doesn’t describe Beltran.
Beltran has done it for months at a time AND for 2 full seasons. THAT’s a big difference from “days, weeks or months”.
You intentionally phrase it that way because it clearly emphasizes the point you’re trying to make, but I think you realize that it is unfair to marginalize his performance that way.
right on Josh NY
considering his injuries, I’d say 2008 is def a better year for Beltran than 2007. And in both years he has been great in September.
We're all Beltran fans here.
Except you, clearly.
by JohnPeterson on Sep 26, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah these Beltran arguments are like gang wars
it really depends on what your biases are and criteria you evaluate him by. Can’t we talk about something less incendiary, like abortion or gay marriage?
when it gets rabid and personal, it kind of en-small-ens us.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Sep 26, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Apropos?
Jebediah: “People, our search is over. On this site we shall build a new town, where we can worship freely, govern justly, and grow vast fields of hemp for making rope and blankets.”
Shelbyville Manhattan: “yes, and marry our cousins.”
Jebediah: “What are you talking about Shelbyville? Why would we want to marry our cousins?”
Shelbyville Manhattan: “Cause they’re so attractive. I thought that was the whole point of this journey.”
Jebediah: “Absolutely not.”
Shelbyville Manhattan: “I tell you I won’t live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins.”
Jebediah: “Well then, we’ll form our own town. Who will come and live a life devoted to chastity, abstinence, and a flavorless mush I call rootmarm?”
Well, maybe not totally apropos but I stand by it cos it cracks me so consistently up.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Easily the best post in this thread
Is this the untimely end of Milhouse?
But Milhouse is my name!
So this is what it feel like . . . when doves cry!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for bringing some levity into this thread
even if i do hate the simpsons
don't ban me!
i just never found it as funny as people built it up to be. maybe it got too hyped up for me before i watched it.
what are you talking about?
you keep saying that even though I statistically proved to you that you’re wrong, you poop head.
haha
anyone read his posts on the phillies and mariners blogs? Wow.
You can go through his SB Nation profile page
But I feel like this one comment from Lookout Landing just about sums up what happened here as well:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/9/19/617960/9-19-open-game-thread#8862380
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wow they ban their mods over there?
it just goes to show the iron law about internet sports chats, when the team starts to suck, the fans eventually attack each other. it’s our own version of soccer riots. i hope we’re better than that.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Sep 26, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
gogomets
i’m with you
MTV’s real world (the original) and the Simpson’s were the beginning of the end for America.
I can understand that people find it funny, but it’s funny HA – HA! not funny, humorous. It’s like popcorn for the mind.
I know there are a lot of HOMER’S out there, but I don’t find it entertaining to watch in the slightest.
South Park on the other hand…
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more
The Simpsons seasons 3-12 (or thereabouts) is some of the most intelligent humor ever conceived. It had plenty of slapstick, sure, but it wouldn’t have survived as long as it has without the intellectual side of it. Brilliant, smart, fabulous.
agree to disagree
i watched it and didn’t think it was anything special. /shrug
as for how long it ran, i’m not sure its intellectual side had that much to do with it. how did “friends” last so long?
Lou i can't believe you hate the simpsons
i might not follow Beltran to the gates of hell, but Homer?
You are a complicated man.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself in to trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Sep 26, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ITSY, you don't work for FOX NEWS do you?
I don’t remember using the word “hate”. Don’t you dare spin my post(s)! ;-)
I’ve seen my fair share of episodes of the Simpson’s. The way Matt Groening dispenses the humor through his writing and situations is clever, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it some of “the most intelligent humor ever conceived”.
I guess I find it disconcerting that the masses have had to lower themselves to consuming a program that addresses everyday issues, some important & some tedious via poor animation.
Look, I get the show’s message(s) via humor, but I feel that too many people outside of the U.S. and some inside the U.S. view America “as” Homer. It’s just not very sophisticated in my opinion. I definitely don’t want to sound like a snob, it’s just not my cup of tea.
As far as the show surviving for as long as it has, maybe it just goes to show how long we’re willing to watch a cartoon dumb down how we receive messages or stories that can sometimes be of importance. Look how long the Bush administration lasted. Doesn’t mean it was any good.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lou?!
Did you just compare The Simpsons to the Bush Administration? For shame . . .
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no, no
I compared things that LASTED TOO LONG. There is a difference. :-)
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
That was awesome.
PS: Omar says Palin has a mustache…
PPS: I kid, I kid.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 26, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, did you hear about the issues that Palin brought up w/foreign heads of state?
Don’t worry, they didn’t either.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're just lucky it wasn't Wednesday night
You had good timing, that’s for sure.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Squeaky...It's
“WHATEVER IT TAKES!”
…now, if we can only get the people at Shea onboard…hmmm
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonna be tough for you to displace 35 years of "Ya Gotta Believe!"
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 26, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it raining in Queens?
What’s the weather report? I have assumed all day there’d be no game. But, no postponement yet.
The 2008 NY Mets: Pedro hurt already. Delgado still sucks. Mets still can't beat the Braves. Beltran only plays 6 innings. WTF with Pelfrey?? Mets win 60 in a row. Freakin' Wagner. PLAYOFFS, NO WAY?!
I think they'll try to get the game in.
No rain right now, and it’s forecast to be intermittent all night. There might be some delays, but there ought to be enough time to squeeze in nine innings.
There would have to be a biblical weather event to get them to pull the plug.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 26, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY JESUS!
Man, that back and forth with the Beltran content was like Friday Night Fights. Whoo whee!
Gang! Don’t forget, we won last night. Let’s keep the good times goin w/some family love.
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Sep 26, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
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