Open Thread - Game 140: Mets vs Brewers
New York Mets @ Milwaukee Brewers
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Let's go Mets!
Sweep these bastids.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Heck yeah!
A win today would be some pretty sweet icing going into the weekend. If not, still a good roadie but, then again, SWEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 1:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Sweep the leg!
Or whatever. Ollie needs win #10.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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Put 'em in a body bag!
Yeaaahhhhh!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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it's official:
The Mets’ bullpen stinks because they lack “heart.”
…in games decided after the sixth inning (meaning the score was tied after six, or the lead changed): Phillies 31-15, Mets 11-22. Nobody we’ve talked to thinks that stat is an aberration.
“One part of it, obviously, is the difference in bullpens,” one scout said. “But the other part of it is heart. I love the Phillies’ grit. And now that [Jimmy] Rollins is hitting again, they’re the team to beat again.”
Jayson Stark collects unattributed stretch-run bullshit from sources around the league
by anonymous on Sep 3, 2008 1:21 PM EDT 0 recs
Aww, c'mon. These are quantifiable stats.
I think I saw this on BaseballReference.com, but I lost the link. Anyway, here are the comparative head-to-head HGPs (Heart and Grit Percentage) for the Phillies and the Mets in 2008:
Heart Grit Clutchitude Gamerness Intangible Overall HGP NL Rank
Phillies: .860 .932 .787 .855 .908 .892 1/16
Mets: .530 .608 .136 .098 .338 .356 16/16
As you can see, the Mets really get killed in the last three categories. Carlos Beltran really drags a lot of these numbers down with all those early RBI and runs scored. The Mets would have been helped out alot with their HGP if they had acquired players like David Eckstein and Darin Erstad before the deadline, but they really blew that by going with non-HGP all-stars like Jose Reyes and Beltran instead. The Mets will require serious upgrades in gamerness and pastiness this offseason and should look to shed Beltran, Reyes, Delgado and all of their current second basemen.
I mean, scathing, right? But the numbers don’t lie.
/snark
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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surprising
I would have thought that the continued benching of Castro in favor of Schneider would at least put the Mets’ Intangibles somewhere above the bottom of the field. Oh, but I always forget: HGP doesn’t use the team’s Articulate Interview Factor in its calculation. That’s why I like to use the Gamerness Above Replacement Player metric instead — quotes like that one look a lot more sensible when you look at the league according to GARP.
by anonymous on
Sep 3, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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A bit
I think the author noted elsewhere in the piece that the Mets lost serious HGP points for failing to continue to play Schneider while he was injured earlier in the season. That a serious deduction in gamerness.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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You are leaving out the most important
GWLIOT (Game Winning Leaving It On the Field) (Pronounced ‘gwuh-lee-ott’) It is an older version of Gamerness Above Replacement. Jimmy Rollins won it 150 times in 2007. That’s why all those old-fogeys in the writers association voted him MVP. Dub only hit that 12 times.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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Pastiness
It’s one of those quantifiably unquantifiable intangibles. Perhaps the Mets should look to cut Beltran in favor of Aaron Rowand for a quick fix upgrade in this category.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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I miss the old days...
…when you could just call some guy a gamer and leave it at that. You stat-heads are taking all the fun out of baseball.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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I'm Going to Two Games This Month
1. Saturday against the Phillies. (Last game with brother at Shea)
2. Thursday, Sept. 25 vs. the Cubs. (Last game at Shea for me.)
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 PM EDT 0 recs
the Irish Hammer can't stop hitting
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Because he can't? He won't? He don't stop?
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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He keeps on. And he don't stop.
Daniel Murphy come and rock the sure shot.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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I hate when the Mets play the Brewers
getting the “welcome back, Kotter” theme song every time someone hits the ball to centerfield. Damn you, John Sebastian!
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:11 PM EDT 0 recs
My brother's smack talk in our fantasy league:
“I hope Delclutcho knows it’s already the playoffs in fantasy baseball.”
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Geez, Carlos D
Slow down, buddy! I can’t keep up with all the driving in of runs!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 2:14 PM EDT 0 recs
Beltran's HGP Rating Just Keeps Dropping
A four-pitch walk? What crap. Jimmy Rollins would have done the same thing in three.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT 0 recs
I think his HGP dropped
because he failed to make an out there. Early hits, runs and walks just drag your clutchness down.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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IT'S GONE!
I didn’t even know you could get a salami from a Church!
by anonymous on Sep 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT 0 recs
WHAT IN THE CRAP!?
I looked away for a second to do some work and WOW!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 2:17 PM EDT 0 recs
holy shit
A five-spot in the first. Woo!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Awesome.
If they can tack on three or four more, Ollie can leave after five and let Carlos Muniz close the game out. Yeah!
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Schneider!?!?!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:19 PM EDT 0 recs
I know.
They are hungry for the sweep. Batting around feels good.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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holy crap!
A few more of those and I may have to start calling Schneider’s talent “tangible”!
by anonymous on Sep 3, 2008 2:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Now the Schneid?!?
This is too much.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 2:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Dave Bush sucks donkey balls
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
New rule
If Brian Schneider takes you deep, you have to do a 3 year stint in the Mexican league, or Japan as a penance for your sins to the baseball gods.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Sep 3, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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me thinks the natives are growing restless
is it almost miller time for brewers fans?
by goth brooks on Sep 3, 2008 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Only when they're chewing
Brats need attention, too.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Polish. Sausage.
I think I’m having a heartytack.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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Thanks Ollie
Way to start the game out strong.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:25 PM EDT 0 recs
He's trying hard
to, uh, keep things interesting?
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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School is out for the day!
And the Mets are already up 6-0!
This is great!!!
The only downside is I’ll have to listen to Wayne Hagin on the ride home.
Let’s go Ollie!
by Reg Dunlop on Sep 3, 2008 2:25 PM EDT 0 recs
Six runs might not be enough
If we’ve got the Bad Ollie today…
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:26 PM EDT 0 recs
No kidding
Ollie’s such a head case.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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what's the consensus around here
as to whether or not there should be an attempt to re-sign him after this season? i vote “no”.
by goth brooks on
Sep 3, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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it really depends entirely on the price tag
For $11M/yr, yes. For $16M, no.
by anonymous on
Sep 3, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Agree
Only if the price is right.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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I say no
He will want to much and is too inconsistent
by Reg Dunlop on
Sep 3, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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That's the big problem
Even for 11mil, his ‘human slot machine’ act gets old over the whole season. However, if he can pitch a couple gems in the playoff (and/or during the stretch run,) (KNOCK WOOD) he may be worth keeping. He did pitch well in 06.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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I got these numbers at home
Ollie’s numbers against the NL East are pretty decent the last two years, especially against the stupid Phillies. Not saying it’s worth $15 mil a year for that but it is something to look at when considering his worth to the team.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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You don't have a home
We all know you live in your car.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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I wish
There’s too much stuff in the trunk and backseat so now I’m sleeping on your stoop. Look underneath the bench when you get home tonight. The commute is a bitch but the price is good.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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Off the top of your head - do you know his Overall HGP?
I’m sure Boras knows it.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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"Human slot machine"
(Insert Jim Abbot joke here.)
Sorry to any of you who I have offended
by Reg Dunlop on
Sep 3, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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I may be offended some day
but today I’m laughing.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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he's one of my favorite players when he's got it working
When he doesn’t, however, it can be painful.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Hey, he gets out of it with no runs scored
Let’s go Mets!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah!
i can’t win the swag contest, so I’m rooting for a 15-2 victory.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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But not "gritty"
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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not enough pastiness
His WHITEGUY+ is an amazing -25.
by anonymous on
Sep 3, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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Woot!
It’s about damn time Jose got into this game. He didn’t do shit in the first.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Jose is fast
Triple! Pour it on!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Lead-off triple!
Man, things can’t go much worse for the Brew Crew here.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Sep 3, 2008 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
but they can get better
if they mets squander a lead-off triple.
by goth brooks on
Sep 3, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Well there you go
These guys certainly are a 1st inning team.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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Jesus
it’s like no one wants to drive in Jose. What’s up with that?
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:38 PM EDT 0 recs
They forgot
that you are supposed to drive in the guy who gets to third with no outs.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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I kinda want Ollie to plunk Kendall
Cos I just plain don’t like Jason Kendall.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Sep 3, 2008 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs
why not?
he sucks! what’s not to like from an opponent’s standpoint?
by goth brooks on
Sep 3, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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It's something about that beard, maybe.
Or his bug eyes. I dunno. I just don’t like the guy.
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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I am a self-hating beard-o
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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holy shit
did you see that flip to second base on the DP?
by goth brooks on Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Well, i never liked him anyway
I didn’t get on the Church bandwagon in the first inning like the rest of you because i knew he would let us down. You guys are all frontrunners!
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT 0 recs
okay, the daily Hagin WTF is even weirder than usual
Is this jackass really launching into an extended defense of umpire scabbing? Christ.
by anonymous on Sep 3, 2008 2:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Rickie Weeks
Walk Machine
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on Sep 3, 2008 2:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Welcome, Durelo!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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Yeah, welcome to Amazin Avenue, where clutchiness lives.
As opposed to Carlos Beltran, which is where clutchiness goes to die.
"The people of Houston are spending money like oil's selling at $40 a barrel."
by IanB in MD on
Sep 3, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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Durelo is my little brother
You might meet him on Saturday. And now we have rival factions going on here!
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on
Sep 3, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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Sibling rumble!
'Catsmeat!' he cried. 'I see it all. It was that chump, Catsmeat.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on
Sep 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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