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Brian's Got 99 Problems But A Split Ain't One

Today at Surfing the Mets, Adam Rubin passes along a message claiming that Brian Schneider somehow caused the ineffectiveness of last year's bullpen. The message comes from Marc Rubin of Ray Rubin Sports Analysts, an organization which purports to, in its own words, "STATISTICALLY IDENTIFY PLAYERS VALUES WITH A SPECIFIC UNBIASED ASSESSMENT MODEL," which, unlike commonplace player evaluation, is in all-caps.

In the article, Rubin drops a few hundred names and the word "MoneyBall" before making his unbelievable claim. He begins:

This offseason the Mets were forced to sign K-Rod in view of Billy Wagner's injury and they have replaced Aaron Heilman with J.J. Putz as set up guy. The New York broadcast and print media have bought into the idea that the Mets' failing bullpen was the primary reason for the team's collapse the past two seasons.

"Forced" seems like a strong word. Perhaps the pressure to sign Frank the Closer was great, but getting both him and Putz for a reasonable price is hardly shooting yourself in the foot. His second claim seems true: the media did primarily blame the bullpen, somewhat unfairly. Rubin must be about to explain how a dependable leftfielder and starting depth will help avoid the disappointment of last year.

We would argue THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Please check below to see that catcher Brian Schneider was the root of the Mets' problems. We mean Schneider no disrespect, but these are unprecedented numbers. There is one more year on his contract and he should be relegated to playing some first base to rest Carlos Delgado, DHing in interleague games, and pinch-hitting.

Of course...How could we have missed it? The signs were there all along. Who was the doctor in Spring Training who diagnosed Moises Alou? No doctor at all, but Brian Schneider in scrubs. The shady figure who kidnapped Orlando Hernandez and put him on a raft back to Cuba? Brian Schneider. How could we expect Aaron Heilman to stop throwing fastballs down Broadway when his catcher was constantly reminding him that a philosophy major would get him nowhere in life? And what about the constant off-hand remarks about the unevenness of Johan's goatee and Ollie's sideburns?

I refuse to comment on the idea of keeping Brian Schneider on the roster to DH in interleague games. This better be good:

These numbers are so stunning it suggests that the unfortunate Schneider was somehow tipping off pitches:

SANCHEZ caught by CASTRO 65 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=292
SCHNEIDER 108 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=454

HEILMAN caught by CASTRO 50 ABs , allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=340
SCHNEIDER 195 ABs, allows 9 HRs and OPP SLUG%=456

FELICIANO caught by CASTRO 36 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=306
SCHNEIDER 134 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=455

WAGNER caught by CASTRO 49 ABs, allows 0 HRs and OPP SLUG%=204
SCHNEIDER 99 ABs, allows 3 HRs and OPP SLUG%=313

SANTANA caught by CASTRO 333 ABs, allows 6 HRs and OPP SLUG%=297
SCHNEIDER 524 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OP SLUG%=401

PEDRO M caught by CASTRO 138 ABs, allows 2 HRs and OPP SLUG%=377
SCHNEIDER 185 ABs, allows 15 HRs and OPP SLUG%=600!!!!!

Same phenomena holds with John Maine, Claudio Vargas and Nelson Figueroa. Fascinating, isn’t it?

Sample size. The fact that Aaron Heilman did not allow a homerun in the 50 at bats he threw to Ramon Castro does not illustrate anything, especially not that Brian Schneider tips all of his pitches. This phenomenon could only be credible if every pitcher exemplified this split, although even then it could easily be attributed to luck.

Which brings up the second major problem with this proposal: Rubin cherry-picks the stats and pitchers he uses. He mentions nine pitchers. The Mets used twenty-nine pitchers in 2008. Here are a few who exhibited the opposite phenomenon: Oliver Perez, Brian Stokes, Scott Schoeneweis (73 OPS+ Schneider, 210 Castro), Joe Smith and Luis Ayala. Notice this list includes our ROOGY, LOOGY, and Ollie, all of whom you'd expect would need more help locating and framing pitches.

Rubin's decision to only cite slugging pct. is also telling. Billy Wagner's opponents actually had a higher OBP (.231 vs. .236) when Castro was receiving. Duaner Sanchez was similarly .317 OBP Schneider vs. .310 Castro. An entire bullpen's collapse within .007 points of OBP.

So, no, Brian Schneider did not sabotage the Mets staff. And barring he tries to catch pitches with his feet next year, he will not ruin 2009.

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I saw this

and dismissed it. The fact that he called his study Moneyball-ish shows a couple of things, one, he thinks there is some kind of divide between statisical analysis and scouting, real analysis incorporates both, two, just using the word Moneyball shows that he is not up to date, even main-stream haters moved past the word and would call it sabermetrics or vorp-ies, three, he joins the long list of people who didn’t understand what Moneyball was even about.

Sam, you did a pretty good job of summing up why this “Moneyball type research” is flawed. You waived the right to comment on keeping Schneider on the roster for DH’ing, I will not, does this guy have skīta for brains, his Moneyball numbers told him to DH Brian Schneider. I want to see these numbers…hold on…

The New York broadcast and print media have bought into the idea that the Mets’ failing bullpen was the primary reason for the team’s collapse the past two seasons. I would argue THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Please check below to see that the f*%&ing moon was the root of the Mets’ problems. I mean the moon total disrespect, these are unprecedented numbers.

These numbers are so stunning it suggests that the unfortunate Moon was somehow tipping off pitches.
Mets pitchers during day games:
Pitcher IP ERA
Niese 8 0.00
Wise 3.1 0.00
Santana 100.1 2.24
Vargas 8 2.25
Muniz 10.2 2.53
Show 23.2 3.04
Perez 76.1 3.18
Same phenomena holds with Pedro, Knight, Kunz, Parnell and Rincon. Fascinating, isn’t it?

by Sokojoe on Jan 10, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

Well the moon controls the tides

And the tides control the Johan. Hmm…

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jan 10, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

But... but...

the method is in ALL CAPS! There’s no way something in all caps can be wrong… is there?

by JoshNY on Jan 10, 2009 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

Good rundown

Schneider’s HR rate was a bit high, but not at all abnormal; it was one per 34.1 PA , vs. 1 per 38.1 PA for the NL average. Maybe there’s a little something there, but this is greatly exaggerated, is a horrible abuse of statistics (from a guy who claims to be a statistics professor), and contains an absurd proposed solution…Schneider at 1B, DH, and pinch hitting? Really? This from a guy who wants to be a baseball analyst? I mean if you really think he’s tipping pitches or something, might you suggest instead…that he work on not tipping pitches?

And, of course, Castro has been unusually good back there when he’s played, but he has pretty well proven his back won’t handle regular playing time. So it’s not like he’s an option for taking many additional innings.

Still, a few more numbers on what was left out:

Castro Schneider
OPS. OPS.
0.796 0.685 Oliver Perez
0.726 0.629 Joe Smith
1.053 0.635 Scott Schoeneweis
0.952 0.637 Brian Stokes
1.117 0.690 Carlos Muniz
0.824 0.755 Luis Ayala

It can be tough for a catcher dealing with an entirely new pitching staff. I was a bit disappointed in Schneider’s performance last year, but this just isn’t a reasonable, rational critique. And, I’m not sure there are any better options readily available at a reasonable cost. Schneider still does a very good job controlling the running game, and with some more experience now with most of this staff, hopefully he can cut down on the passed balls and wild pitches, and do a bit better handling the staff next season.

by acerimusdux on Jan 10, 2009 2:06 AM EST reply actions  

Professor of Statistics at what clown college?

So I will never send the children I don’t plan on having there.

I really don’t use this word much, but this ‘analysis’ is freaking retarded. These splits are ‘unprecedented’ only because he’s never seen such splits before. Perhaps because he’s never done any kind of statistical analysis before. DH’ing Schneider in interleague games? What are we, the Twins? Jesus. And, for the record, Schneider has played all of 3 2/3 innings at first base in his career, somehow making only 1 putout. Yeah, we should have no problem teaching a 32 year-old catcher to play a new position where his bat will be an even bigger liability. Hell, if I could force Omar to do anything, we’d already have Adam Dunn in LF. Nobody’s ‘forcing’ Omar to do anything. That’s why he’s chasing Ollie.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 10, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

my study shows...HE USES HIS BAT

HUGE CONTRACT, AND OVER-RATED RECEIVING SKILLS TO SABOTAGE THE METS

isn’t that enough?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 10, 2009 2:25 AM EST reply actions  

Who is this guy? The Jim Garrison of baseball?

This nonsense just sabotaged my ability to go back to sleep.

" Well isn't this place a geographical oddity? Two weeks from everywhere! "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 10, 2009 4:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah I don’t really need to point out how retarded this is…you kind people beat me to it…but the fact he thought it was a good idea to DH Schneider might be the funniest thing ever…well besides the title of this thread which made me laugh waayyyyy too much.

by Ohpityme on Jan 10, 2009 5:18 AM EST reply actions  

Weird

I thought the whole thing was intended to be a joke.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

It's probably just luck...

But Castro did get more overall out of the Mets’ staff last year (catcher splits are at the bottom of this page):
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?team=NYM&year=2008
Castro: .238 / .307 / .366
Schneider: .254 / .334 / .407

Moreover, Castro has registered a better staff-OPS-against than the guy he’s backed up (Schneider, Lo Duca, Piazza) in each of the last four years, while Schneider has performed worse than his backups by this measure in each of the last four years.

The idea that Schneider is the source of the Mets’ bullpen woes is laughable, but it’s possible that Castro genuinely is a better game-caller.

by psiogen on Jan 10, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Even that's probably not meaningful

Castro caught Johan Santana quite a bit. Only 15.5% of Schneider’s innings were catching Santana, vs. 25.2% of Castro’s innings. That alone is going to account for most of the difference in OPS or ERA.

by acerimusdux on Jan 11, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think

this can be entirely dismissed. I would much rather have Castro starting for his hitting, and now I’m definitely in favor of it. But honestly, we really need to trade for a catcher sometime soon, or sign one of Jason Kendall, Victor Martinez, Bengie Molina, or Rod Barajas next year, all of whom I’d prefer over the Schneider/Castro combo we have now.

by squid92 on Jan 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

2008 WAR for all of the players you mentioned (2008 AB):

Bengie Molina: 3.2 (530)
Jason Kendall: 1.7 (516)
Brian Schneider: 1.6 (335)
Rod Barajas: 1.5 (349)
Ramon Castro: 0.9 (143)
Victor Martinez: 0.8 (266)

You still want Jason Kendall over Schneider/Castro? Molina, yes, he would be a considerable upgrade, but none of these other guys would, and the Mets already have Schneider and Castro (i.e. everyone else would cost something more). As for Molina, the Giants are clearly trying to put together a playoff team, so there’s little chance Molina gets dealt this offseason.

by Eric Simon on Jan 10, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

First off...

Victor Martinez should have a bounce back year. And secondly, Jason Kendall is MUCH better defensively than Schneider, saving +14 runs above replacement this year, good for best in the league.

by squid92 on Jan 10, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Both Castro and Schneider are FA’s next year.

by squid92 on Jan 10, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Kendall

is already 34 years old, and turns 35 in June. He can’t hit like he used to anymore, and even his on-base skills seem to be slipping noticeably. Also, like Eric said, we’d have to spend to get him, while Schneider wouldn’t. And yes, Martinez should have a bounce back year, which is why the Indians may not be so willing to trade him. And if they were, other teams could put together a much better offer for him than the Mets.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 10, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But I just told you.

They are all FA’s next year, including Castro and Schneider.

by squid92 on Jan 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

D'oh!

I misread that as you wanting to trade for Martinez, not sign him next winter.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 10, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, haha

If we could trade for someone along the lines of Mike Napoli, sign me up.

by squid92 on Jan 10, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's times like this....

…that I really miss Fire Joe Morgan.

Vote change: DePodesta/Acta in 2009!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jan 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Lord

Schneider at first base?

Who's world is it? It's yours.

by BlackOps on Jan 10, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

at least

Piazza hit like a first basemen…Schneider hits like a 1960’s shortstop

by cjmulrain on Jan 11, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Beware of the Rubins

Any organization counting on Citigroup for a large sum of money should know by now not to trust anyone named Rubin with the numbers.

(Full disclosure: Robert Rubin, lately of Citi, is my distant cousin. Not exactly a glowing moment of pride for the family.)

I did it like this / I did it like that / I did it with a Wiffle Ball bat

by Doc Manhattan on Jan 10, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting figures

But I agree that there isn’t any real relationship. Just a coincidence, like the fact that today’s Giants-Eagles playoff game was the first 23-11 game in NFL history.

"When the little children start to speak they once said 'Mama' and 'Papa', but with the fans we got they say the first thing, 'Metsie, Metsie, Metsie'." - Casey Stengel

by Prince on Jan 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Buck likes his women the same way he likes his whiskey...

…I’m sure you guys have some creative responses to that.

by squid92 on Jan 13, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Straight?

I’m not sure if I missed some Joe Buck story somewhere, other than his free, improper transportation by US Marshals. What a weird story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/sports/13marshal.html?_r=1&ref=sports

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 13, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't whine to me Giants fans

I’m a Titans fan

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jan 11, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that.

I noticed the refs were much quicker on their delay of game calls today.

'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 11, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That was horrible.

I know you get about one second after the clock hits zero to snap the ball, but that was waaaaay more than 1 second.

by gogomets on Jan 12, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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