Mets Starter SNLVAR By Decade
Back in November, I ran this column on Mets batter VORP by decade. It generated some good debate and interesting dialogue, and prompted a similar list for pitchers. VORP for pitchers is a little wonky, so I'm going to use a different Baseball Prospectus metric called SNLVAR (summarized nicely by Marc Normandin here). In short, SNLVAR is especially useful because it neutralizes run support and adjusts for strength of opposing lineups, distilling a pitcher's seasonal performance down to "what he did" without having to worry about "who he did it against" and "what did his team give him to work with". SNLVAR doesn't make any adjustment for team defense that I'm aware of, and it is only calculated for starting pitchers, so John Franco et al will have to wait for another such reliever list.
While the Mets' offensive dominance (or semi-dominance) has only emerged in the past decade or so, their pitching pedigree goes all the way back to the sixties.
| NAME | 1960's SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Tom Seaver | 23.1 | 3 |
| Jerry Koosman | 15.9 | 3 |
| Jack Fisher | 11.8 | 4 |
| Don Cardwell | 6.9 | 3 |
| Al Jackson | 6.4 | 6 |
| Gary Gentry | 6.0 | 1 |
| Jim McAndrew | 5.6 | 2 |
| Roger Craig | 5.1 | 2 |
| Carl Willey | 4.6 | 3 |
| Galen Cisco | 4.5 | 4 |
No one should be shocked that despite pitching just three seasons, Tom Seaver had the highest aggregate SNLVAR in the sixties by a comfortable margin. He notched individual marks of 6.5, 7.0 and 9.6, with the last coming in the Mets' miracle season of 1969. That same year, Jerry Koosman had a 9.0 and rookie Gary Gentry contributed an additional 6.0. Not surprisingly, the Mets led the National League in SNLVAR with 33.3.
Al Jackson led the Mets' staff in 1962 with 2.8 SNLVAR. Carl Willey did likewise in 1963 (3.9). Tracy Stallard, with whom I share a birthday in common, led in 1964 with 2.9, just slipping past Jack Fisher who led in 1965 (3.6) and 1966 (3.9). Seaver led in 1967 and 1969; Koosman narrowly edged him out with a 7.1 in 1968.
| NAME | 1970's SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Tom Seaver | 63.9 | 8 |
| Jerry Koosman | 39.7 | 9 |
| Jon Matlack | 34.8 | 7 |
| Craig Swan | 16.6 | 7 |
| Gary Gentry | 11.7 | 3 |
| Jim McAndrew | 9.9 | 4 |
| Ray Sadecki | 8.5 | 6 |
| Nino Espinosa | 7.3 | 5 |
| Pat Zachry | 5.6 | 3 |
| Nolan Ryan | 5.4 | 2 |
Seaver was the Mets' leader in SNLVAR in every season from 1970 thru 1975 excepting 1974, when John Matlack was the club's best pitcher (8.1). Koosman had a fine decade, but the seventies really belonged to Seaver, whose 63.9 SNLVAR with the Mets was more than the #3 thru #5 starters combined. Seaver was traded to the Reds midway through the 1977 season, and his combined SNLVAR from 1970-1979 was more than anyone else in baseball by quite a bit, besting Jim Palmer 81.6 to 71.6. What's more, his seven-plus years with the Mets were better than full decades from all but two big league pitchers: Palmer and Gaylord Perry.
| NAME | 1980's SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Dwight Gooden | 38.0 | 6 |
| Ron Darling | 27.8 | 7 |
| Sid Fernandez | 24.4 | 6 |
| Bob Ojeda | 14.2 | 4 |
| David Cone | 12.3 | 3 |
| Ed Lynch | 8.6 | 7 |
| Walt Terrell | 6.3 | 3 |
| Rick Aguilera | 5.6 | 5 |
| Pat Zachry | 4.7 | 3 |
| Craig Swan | 4.2 | 5 |
In the eighties, glam rock bands like Mötley Crüe, Poison and Skid Row dominated the music scene while Dwight Gooden did likewise to opposing hitters. Gooden's 12.6 SNLVAR in 1985 is the second highest single-season mark in baseball history (Sandy Koufax had 13.5 in 1966), and his 38.0 SNLVAR from 1984-1989 was second in baseball to Orel Hershiser's 39.2. He was twelfth in baseball in SNLVAR for the entire decade despite only beginning his career in 1984. All-time Met greats Ron Darling and Sid Fernandez round out the top three.
The latter half of the top ten is comprised of Walt Terrell and his two-plus seasons with the Mets in the early eighties and four guys -- Ed Lynch, Rick Aguilera, Pat Zachry and Craig Swan -- who were only part-time starters.
| NAME | 1990's SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Bobby J. Jones | 22.3 | 7 |
| Rick Reed | 16.3 | 3 |
| Dwight Gooden | 16.1 | 5 |
| Sid Fernandez | 15.6 | 4 |
| Bret Saberhagen | 15.2 | 4 |
| David Cone | 15.2 | 3 |
| Al Leiter | 12.3 | 2 |
| Frank Viola | 11.8 | 2 |
| Masato Yoshii | 9.6 | 2 |
| Mark Clark | 7.6 | 2 |
The nineties Mets teams were mostly forgettable, but there are still some pretty good pitchers on this list. Bobby J. Jones was probably the last decent starting pitcher the Mets developed, assuming we don't count guys who wound up pitching elsewhere (e.g. Scott Kazmir) and those who haven't completely established themselves (e.g. Mike Pelfrey), which is really kind of pathetic when you think about it. Apart from Jones we get three carry-overs from the eighties list (Gooden, Fernandez and David Cone), we get the first three seasons of Rick Reed's solid career with the Mets, Bret Saberhagen's nice little sting (including his epic 143:13 K:BB ratio in 1994), and the first two seasons of Al Leiter's terrific run in Queens.
| NAME | 2000's SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Al Leiter | 27.1 | 5 |
| Tom Glavine | 25.1 | 5 |
| Steve Trachsel | 21.9 | 6 |
| Pedro Martinez | 12.7 | 4 |
| John Maine | 10.8 | 3 |
| Jae Seo | 9.3 | 4 |
| Rick Reed | 9.2 | 2 |
| Oliver Perez | 8.8 | 3 |
| Johan Santana | 8.6 | 1 |
| Glendon Rusch | 8.6 | 2 |
Those Mets fans who have leapt aboard in the past dozen years will recognize plenty of names here. Leiter cements his legacy as one of the Mets' five best starters with his stretch in the early aughts. Met Pariahs Tom Glavine and Steve Trachsel, starting and finishing their respective solid careers in the 2000's despite each leaving on a sour note. Johan Santana is #9 overall with just one season under his belt. Will Pedro Martinez or Oliver Perez return to climb this list?
| NAME | SNLVAR | YEARS |
|---|---|---|
| Tom Seaver | 90.6 | 12 |
| Jerry Koosman | 55.6 | 12 |
| Dwight Gooden | 54.1 | 11 |
| Sid Fernandez | 40.0 | 10 |
| Al Leiter | 39.4 | 7 |
| Jon Matlack | 34.8 | 7 |
| Ron Darling | 30.2 | 9 |
| David Cone | 27.7 | 7 |
| Bobby J. Jones | 25.6 | 8 |
| Rick Reed | 25.5 | 5 |
| Tom Glavine | 25.1 | 5 |
| Steve Trachsel | 21.9 | 6 |
| Craig Swan | 20.8 | 12 |
| Gary Gentry | 17.7 | 4 |
| Jim McAndrew | 15.5 | 6 |
| Bret Saberhagen | 15.2 | 4 |
| Bob Ojeda | 14.7 | 5 |
| Frank Viola | 13.5 | 3 |
| Pedro Martinez | 12.7 | 4 |
| Jack Fisher | 11.8 | 4 |
Few surprises in the franchise top five, except maybe that Koosman eked ahead of Gooden. Seaver leads by a country mile here, and has the third most SNLVAR of any pitcher since 1967 (Roger Clemens, 152.6; Greg Maddux, 139.3). It's nice to see the big four from 1986 all represented here. Santana will be in the top twenty after 2009.
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Masato Yoshii and Mark Clark?
Really? “mostly forgettable” is right
by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yoshii - Coolest Met Ever
From the New York Times 10/1/99
Asked what he would do if the Mets could not find a spot for him, Yoshii quipped — and when was the last time a ballplayer quipped anything, in English or Japanese or any language? — ‘’If I’m not on the roster, I’ll buy a ticket in the stands.’’
Then he added, ’’I’ll have a beer and a hot dog, and I’ll shout, ‘Put in Yoshii.’ ’’
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by Shomov on Jan 5, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed that back in the day
That is super cool!
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by IanB in MD on Jan 6, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The 1990's
It’s amazing that not one member of “Generation K” was able to make the list.
by Reg Dunlop on Jan 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Generation K
Paul Wilson is #4 on the Reds’ 2000’s list and #6 on the Rays’ 2000’s list.
by Eric Simon on Jan 5, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
70's is top-heavy
(though it’s a hell of a top), but I might take the 80’s for overall depth of pitching. Gooden, Darling, Sid, Ojeda, and Cone is a hell of a 5-man rotation. And I can’t believe I saw Masato Yoshii on any list other than 10 best Japanese pitchers who pitched for the Mets in the 1990’s. Amazing…
I can’t believe how big a gap it is between Clemens/Maddux and Seaver. There’s really a 40-point gap between the top 2 and the rest of the great pitchers? Amazing…
by cjmulrain on Jan 5, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the 90.6 is just Seaver's total with the Mets, yes?
And, if that is the case, I’d imagine his overall number is a bit closer to Clemens and Maddux.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
The numbers here are only Mets performances; apologies if that wasn’t clear. Seaver has 130.2 SNLVAR including his time elsewhere.
by Eric Simon on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SNLVAR is cumulative like WARP, right?
If so I guess it makes the sorted list there a little wonky, since (to pick the most pronounced example) Gary Gentry’s 17.7 over four years would seem to indicate a lot more effective pitching than Craig Swan’s 20.8 over twelve years.
by JoshNY on Jan 5, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, it depends what you're measuring
There’s plenty of value in accumulation, which is what I think these tables are illustrating. I suppose it’s like debating the relative merits of total strikeouts versus strikeout rate, except with a metric that purports to measure total pitching value and not some tiny component thereof.
by Eric Simon on Jan 5, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rick reed
favorite pitcher of the 90’s.
by kendynamo on Jan 5, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
SNLVAR
I agree with Josh that using cumaltive SNLVAR during a players tenure as a met makes the list get a little “wonky.” At first glance it does not look like an apples to apples compare. However, i suppose everyone can figure out average SNLVAR if they’re so inclined.
by sublime8414 on Jan 6, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs



















