Citi Field: Where Homeruns Go To Die
Citi Field opens for real in three months, but I feel like we still know very little about it aside from its aesthetics. Dimensionally, we know it'll sport a similar configuration to Shea Stadium, with some variably higher walls and the odd geometric nuance to break from straight symmetry. Ted Berg took a crack at predicting the field's playability following a December press tour of the facility, and his best guess was basically the same as mine.
As it happens, I was thumbing through my Hardball Times Annual 2009 on Monday and took to reading an article by Greg Rybarczyk of Hit Tracker, the primary gist of which was to recap the 2008 season with respect to the homeruns that were hit. Tucked away at the tail end of the article was a bit about Citi Field, which I'll excerpt below:
Citi Field, the new ballpark for the New York Mets, is poised to become MLB's new Grand Canyon. City Field is a vast, cool weather, sea-level stadium, and those factors will have a hugely negative impact on home runs.
*snip*
Johan Santana and the rest of the Mets pitching staff will like the new park, but the Mets' front office should sign their power hitters now, before the word gets out. In spring 2009, baseball fans are going to get a live demonstration of what happens when a team sets out to design a pitcher's park, and overdoes it.
This came as news to me, so I shot Greg an email to see what was up. What follows is our exchange, which I think provides a strong basis for what we can expect out of Citi Field this season.

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Eric Simon: For starters, what makes Citi Field a "Grand Canyon" where Shea Stadium was merely a decent pitcher's park? The park dimensions are nearly identical, with Shea actually slightly deeper in many cases.
Greg Rybarczyk: I'm sure most people have not had access to the drawn-to-scale Citi Field prints, as I have, but when you compare the dimensions you get there for Citi Field with the ones for Shea Stadium that you get from overhead satellite photos, you will see that Citi Field is actually deeper in almost every part of the park, and by a large amount. You will see that only in the corners is Shea deeper, and then only barely so in LF and a bit more so in RF, while Citi Field is a) hugely deeper in RF and RCF, and b) somewhat deeper with much taller fences in LF and LCF.
By the way, I've had other people point out to me that Shea is marked as 410 to center field, and CF is stated to be coming in at 408, so why do I show CF deeper? Because the overhead satellite photos show Shea's fence in straightaway center to be, in reality, about 408 feet from home plate, and the Citi Field prints show the corresponding dimension to be about 410 feet. If they build Citi Field to their prints (which they seem to be doing quite precisely as far as I can tell), then what I show in my diagram will be accurate. I made my diagram by making an exact tracing of the print.
Really, Citi Field is not even close to Shea dimension-wise, and home runs will be drastically reduced. I predict this because over the last three years, my analysis of every home run hit in MLB revealed that approximately 29% of all home runs have cleared the fence by 10 feet or less. At least half of the Citi Field outfield fence is either 10 or more feet deeper, or effectively 10 or more feet deeper due to a combination of longer distance and higher fence height.
Now, there could be some change in the wind patterns that makes Citi Field more favorable than Shea, as Shea was open in center field and frequently had wind coming in, while CF is more sheltered. We'll have to see how that turns out, but I haven't seen any convincing evidence that the wind will be more or less favorable in CF than it was in Shea. A few people have stated what the wind was doing on a particular day in November when they got inside Citi Field, in the particular spot they were standing in, but that's not much to hang one's hat on.
ES: What would account for the discrepancy in advertised versus actual Shea dimensions? Do similar disparities exist throughout the league? I gather that Mets ownership was hoping to build a stadium that played like Shea, though perhaps slightly more favorable to pitchers. Do you suspect that they were aware of the Shea dimensional disparity before designing Citi Field as they have, or do you think they've merely underestimated the effect these changes will have on homeruns?
GR: One thing about "published" dimensions: I don't think there is any accepted standard of where exactly you ought to measure to to come up with your "RF" number, or your "RCF" number, etc. So it is quite possible to use very different numbers and still technically both could be right. You also see (on older parks) changes in fence or home plate position that can make a number change (or an actual dimension change without the number on the fence padding being changed.) You also see some numbers that are just downright wrong, like the 434 sign in deep LCF at Dolphins Stadium (which should say 427 or so). Who knows why they leave that the way it is. Also, there was a story written a couple years back about RFK Stadium being mis-marked, which happened as a result of some wall pads being switched inadvertently.
I don't suspect that anyone is deliberately misleading anyone about the dimensions at Citi Field; I think it is more likely that they set out to design a pitcher's park, and they didn't ever get a truly accurate reading of the Shea Stadium dimensions (which is understandable since it is a smoothly curved fence for the most part), and if/when they realized they were deeper than Shea, they probably thought a few feet of distance, or a few feet of wall height, was no big deal. I guarantee that no one could have told you what percentage of homers clear the fence by 10 feet or less before I came along, and therefore everyone would underestimate the significance of being 5-10 feet deeper in most of the field.
ES: You're absolutely right about that. I would probably have guessed that an extra ten feet in outfield wall depth would decrease homerun output by 5% or 10%. If we assume that Citi Field suppressed homeruns as much as you predict it will, how long before the Mets move the walls in to compensate, if ever? Finally, given all of this, what kind of odds would you give Johan Santana to win the Cy Young award in 2009?
GR: Well, it took the Tigers five years to reconfigure Comerica Park after they built that enormous field, but they had some obvious options - originally their bullpens were in a "cutout" in RF, so it was easy to move them to LF and fill in with seats. I'm not sure I see great options like that for Citi Field - if they fill in the "well" in RF, they lose their RF overhang, which I think is one of the signature design elements of the park. Maybe they could add a few rows in LF and bring the fence height there down at the same time - this would be my vote for most likely change to swing the pendulum back towards neutral. I hope they do that instead of a field level picnic area like they did in Miller Park in RF, and in U.S. Cellular Field in RF.
I think the odds of Johan winning the Cy Young are pretty good, actually. Of course he's got to pitch well, but the field is going to help him and help the relievers that try to keep his inherited runners from scoring, and the relievers who try to close out the game in the 9th. Since the Mets have a great CF in Beltran, they will never be worse than even with an opponent in terms of covering the huge outfield, so there's another plus for the Mets. I think scoring may not necessarily be that much lower, also, due to the certain increase in triples, and most likely in other non-homer hits as well due to the bigger field. Homers will be way down, but I see Jose Reyes liking the deep RCF alley, he will certainly rack up some triples and maybe some ITP homers as well.

To see more of Greg's work and learn about how he measures homerun data, head on over to Hit Tracker.
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interesting stuff
if citi field is really going to be a “grand canyon,” i wonder how many triples reyes will hit next year?
the diagram makes it look like citi field may be tough on left-handers…wonder if it will affect delgado’s power.
by englishgrey on Jan 7, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Delgado
I was thinking the same thing.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The RF porch
I’d have to check Delgado’s hit tracker from last year to be sure, but as an extreme pull hitter, I think the RF overhang will help to mitigate the effect of the deeper alley. Of course, when Delgado hits one, he REALLY hits one – there aren’t many cheapo’s with him, so I think that will also help to reduce the effect of the deep RF alley.
by Ravi33 on Jan 7, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty cool write up
In some ways I think the park—assuming the dramatic decrease in HR hypothesis is correct—should play well to the strengths of our best hitters (i.e., Wright, Reyes, Beltran). They are really line drive, gap hitters at their best, who also run the bases well. So, not only might we see Reyes legging out a few more triples, we are just as likely to see Wright and Beltran turning a few sharply hit singles into doubles based on outfielder configurations.
On the other hand, I could our second tier hitters taking a nose dive. Delgado’s numbers could tank substantially with the combo of age, injury likelihood, and a tougher hitting environment. I’m not sure how the environment might impact a potential Murphy/Tatis platoon in left field. Assuming that Church is still here… well, he should remain a plus defensively.
Two questions for you Eric:
1. Based on your conversation, have you altered your thinking at all about going after Adam Dunn? (If I recall correctly, you were cautiously in favor.)
2. Is there any outfielder who you now find more intriguing than you did before having this conversation?
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by dcrockett17 on Jan 7, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
For what it’s worth, Dunn led baseball last year in no-doubters, with Carlos Delgado running a close second. It looks like Citi Field will be especially tough on lefties, and even though Dunn is a masher, a solid dozen of his 2008 homeruns were shorter than 400 feet. If we drop him from a 40-homer guy to a 33- or 35-homer guy, maybe he goes from being a pretty valuable hitter to an average or slightly better-than-average hitter.
I think Manny Ramirez is clearly the best player left on the market, though his cost (and attitude?) may be too prohibitive for the Mets to reasonably pursue.
by Eric Simon on Jan 7, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re: dunn
but doesnt it still booast dunn;s relative value to the mets? if dunn’s offense declines because of the new park (assuming we sign him), it will put him rather close to league average. but any alternative to dunn will suffer even worse, since dunn hits balls further than just about anyone in the league.
im still cautious on dunn after reading some really horrible defensive numbers, but in my mind, for the mets, his long ball hitting ability should still be a plus for reasons to sign him.
great scoop by the way. thanks to you and greg for bringing teh awesome.
by kendynamo on Jan 7, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Ken
With this news, I think Dunn becomes more valuable, because that dude can hit them out of any park.
by SQUAD on Jan 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point
Some Batters are better adept at taking advantage of their Home Park, Burrell in CBP, low strikeout hitters in Coors, as well as pitchers, fly ball pitchers in Petco, groundball pitchers in Zona. So, while all players value technically is reduced equally when considering park factors, indivdual varibales must be considered. With that said, I like Dunn.
by Sokojoe on Jan 7, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Adam Dunn could still hit it out.
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by kingcritical on Jan 7, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fabulous read.
Has anyone seen the cool feature for Minnesota’s new Target Field due to open in 2010? The feature (Sun Study) displays how the sun / shade will move over the field during certain parts of the day in certain parts of the season. See link:
http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/ballpark/sun_study.jsp
I wonder if something like this is available for “wind” projections? Anyone?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"There could be some changes in wind patterns"
Well, yeah, of course. Wind matters a lot (see Wrigley Field, day v. night). Defining Citi as a pitcher’s or hitter’s park seems pointless until we actually see how it plays. I don’t know what a reasonable sample size would be (a full season? 50 home games?), but right now that sample size is zero.
As far as Dunn, very few of his homers I’ve seen were cheapies. He could hit it out of any park with regularity, though not quite as regular as his Ks and BBs. And don’t forget half his ABs would still be on the road, as would everyone else’s, by which I mean it’s at least premature to suggest that the Mets abandon HR hitters and try to clone Willie McGee (not that we couldn’t use one in the 2 hole…).
by madisonmetsfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roberts
Reading about the dimensions makes me think the Mets should take a run at Brian Roberts. He’s a doubles machine, and I imagine would only do better in a bigger park. Also he is a 2B.
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by IanB in MD on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love Roberts
but are the Orioles shopping him this season?
by cjmulrain on Jan 7, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not this year
But he might be worth picking up when a FA. His steals will not increase over time, but the ability to bit is the gaps would be great in the new stadium.
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by IanB in MD on Jan 7, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wind Patterns
I think difference in angle of home plate will have an impact on how the wind carries the ball. Shea Stadium was pretty much angled West to East. (Home plate to CF) Citi Field is angled South West to North East. Early in the year when the winds generally blow from the NW or NE I think it will have a major impact on how fly balls carry. But generally in May, the winds start to shift and start to blow from the SW (Now directly behind home plate) These winds will probably help to push the ball out to RF, RCF, and CF. Combine with the fact that the height of the stadium is lower, and the stands are straight down the lines, I can see fly balls traveling a lot better at Citi Field than at Shea during the summer months. This might neutralize the impact of the larger field on HR’s.
But this is just a guess. We’ll have to wait and see.
by Reg Dunlop on Jan 7, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh dear lord
please nobody clone Willie McGee and create a race of uber-ugly baseball players
by JoshNY on Jan 7, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better Willie McGee
than Otis Nixon.

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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
This is fascinating stuff, but I wonder — from a very uninformed perspective — if Greg is overrating the effect of dimensions and underrating the other factors involved. Maybe I’m wrong, or maybe it’s another example of the listed dimensions being different from the actual ones, but Veterans Stadium and Citizens Bank Park look somewhat similar in that aspect, yet obviously CBP produces a lot more home runs due to the weird wind thing.
Also, when they pushed the fences back a few feet in 2006, it didn’t much change the park factor, at least according to baseball-reference.com.
I also wonder how the amount of foul territory plays in. Citi looks to have way, way less of that than Shea — will that cost pitchers some easy foul outs? If so, I wonder how many, and if that’s a factor at all.
by TedBerg on Jan 7, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Park factor
With respect to run scoring, it’s entirely possible that the projected decrease in homeruns will be offset by an increase in doubles/triples/ITP homeruns as well as fewer foul outs (per the diminished foul area that you’ve mentioned here and in your original write-up on Citi Field).
by Eric Simon on Jan 7, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For example,
CBP increases HRs like whoa, but overall offense isn’t increased to the same degree.
by Sokojoe on Jan 7, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whereas if I'm not mistaken
Coors Field isn’t as HR-friendly now that they use the humidor but still plays offense-friendly overall because the outfield is huge
by JoshNY on Jan 7, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at that
I missed the parts at the beginning that specified he was only referring to home runs. My bad.
by TedBerg on Jan 7, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the wind
Not to mention they apparently did the wind studies at CBP before that craphole Veterans Stadium was demolished. Amazingly enough, the absence of that massive Concrete Death Donut right across the street altered the wind patterns. As it is, CBP increases homers but depresses doubles and (especially) triples, resulting in a moderate hitters’ environment overall.
I look forward to seeing how CF plays out. Anecdotally, the Phillies have had trouble luring top pitching talent to Philadelphia; it’ll be interesting to see, in the event CF is Petco Park East, if the Mets have trouble bringing bats in.
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by WholeCamels on Jan 7, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With regard to foul territory
I wouldn’t be surprised if foul territory plays a large part in the stadium’s future park factor. Remember when Dodgers Stadium was such a tremendous pitcher’s park? In 2001, the multi-year PF was a 92/91; in 2007 it was 103. These days it’s a hitter’s park, largely due to what I perceive as three things:
(1) Mound alterations: the Dodgers were famous for having a supposedly higher mound than other parks, in support of their pitching-dominated teams. Due to rule changes and changes in the roster’s composition that’s certainly changed., and it’s a trait that hasn’t been a factor in quite a long time.
(2) The inclusion of several more extreme ballparks over time: This doesn’t get a lot of press, but the new parks affect the factors of older parks, too, via alteration of the league average. No clue what the effects of this might be (after all, you do get extreme hitter’s parks, too) but Dodger Stadium and the Astrodome are no longer what pitchers today dream of. Instead, it’s PETCO, Dolphin Stadium, Shea (until this season), the new Busch, AT&T, PNC, etc.
(3) The Dodgers removed a ton of foul territory to put in more seats, which I think has been the biggest factor. In just a couple short seasons since, they’ve seen a rapid rise in run-scoring.
by Alex Nelson on Jan 7, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff, Eric
As both madisonmetsfan and Ted note above, however, I am interested to see how things actually play out. Cool to get a little insight on the park, tho, what with me (and most of us, I imagine) seeing the Mets play in only one park in our lifetimes, and with this one promising to be different somehow.
Dang I can’t wait for this season to start.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Jan 7, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can wait
preferably until after we sign another starter and a left fielder. Then I won’t be able to wait for the season to start…
by cjmulrain on Jan 7, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CField
Nice work Eric. Lots of great info to chew on regarding Citi’s play.
With Church and Beltran the Mets are going to have a decided advantage in OF D this year. Especially with the quirky walls in RF. The OF at Citi as described really plays to our current strengths. We could use a home field advantage this time around.
by whynot on Jan 7, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One area I would like to dispute
Is his diagram of the 2 fields in comparison to each other, nor does his explanation in any way take into factor the Right Field overhang, which would drastically change the outlook of potential Home Runs in Right Field. The only time he even brings it up is when he talks about possibly changing the dimensions down the road.
Visual:

This is also just my personal opinion, I also believe that Shea’s open outfield design allowed wind to carry inside the stadium, knocking down many fly balls. Citi Field’s design is much more closed, which should limit that effect. I would think just to achieve the same effect of Shea Stadium, that the stadium would need to be a little bit larger.
by adropofvenom on Jan 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow man!
How did you get such a good photo? Got anymore ya wanna share?
- Damn! Look at those angles on the walls. Gonna be hell for Church to get used to that.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 7, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Church might benefit from a lesson at the Bobby Abreu School of Defense
on “How to not crash into walls”.
Seriously though, that picture is awesome. Post/pictures like this make me even more excited for the season.
by James Kannengieser on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not crashing into walls
is one of the main reasons why Phillies fans didn’t like Abreu, if I’m not mistaken
by JoshNY on Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be nice
if he also learned how to not crash into other players.
by kendynamo on Jan 7, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Avoiding walls is probably advisable for Church
Losing one season to concussions is more than enough
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 7, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When a left handed power hitter comes up to the plate...
…I’ll just pray the rosary
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in fairness to Church's fielding
he hasn’t had problems with crashing into walls in the past, it was that douchebag Yunel Escobar kneeing him in the head that was the problem
by JoshNY on Jan 7, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True - the collision with Marlon Anderson last spring didn't help either
Church got the worst end of both collisions
by James Kannengieser on Jan 7, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frigging Marlon
Always killing our team, one way or another. Thank god he’s gone.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 7, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh, I don't have a problem w/his fielding
I just wish him the best of luck w/those angled walls.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, gotcha
yeah, there are going to be some weird bounces out there. should play wonderfully for Reyes to get a lot of triples though.
by JoshNY on Jan 8, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Church might want to pick up the phone and give a shout out to Brian Giles of the Padres. Citi & Petco might not play exactly like each other but RF @ Petco has a hitch in its giddyup that makes it a challenge to play, perhaps like Citi will.
I can’t wait to see Reyes running out of his shoes @ Citi. Too bad they still don’t wear baseball caps to bat like they did in Willy Mays’ day. We could watch the ball cap fly off of his head like ol “Say Hey’s” ball cap did.
Then again…Maybe that ain’t such a good idea.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 8, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that happened with Shawn Green a bunch
it got old
by JoshNY on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another pictorial aspect of Citi Field
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 9, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Projection on Shea ...
… I have been hoping to publish this at Beyond the Box Score, but tables make it too big. Here is a link to it on my blog.
I have a writeup on Citi towards the end of the article. Summary: Using regression, I was able to get a formula predicting park factors and it looks like Citi, do to its dimensions and foul territory, score ~10 runs less during a season.
I assumed same elevation (haven’t been able to find it for Citi and temperature (no games played).
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 7, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So big outfield, what do you do?
To what degree do you construct a roster to match your park (and to what degree do you continue to go about getting the best players available)? Presumably, a RF who can go get it has a bit more value (how much?); and perhaps righthanded flyball pitchers (John Maine, anyone) get some relief here…
by Patrick Clark on Jan 7, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fast players
are probably more valuable. Both for fielding the outfield, and for taking advantage of hits in the gaps. The John Olerud’s and Robin Ventura’s of the world can’t take advantage of those gaps quite the way a Jose Reyes can. Of course, you’d hope the fast player is good enough to hit the ball into the gaps (i.e., not Endy Chavez)…
On another note, were the 2000 Mets the slowest team in baseball history? Zeile wasn’t much, if any, faster than Olerud, and they lost Cedeno and Henderson, replaced with Derek Bell and Benny Agbayani. Good lord that team was slow.
by cjmulrain on Jan 8, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
Whatever happened to the big fella?!

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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 8, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agabayani
He joined Bobby V (the real one) in Japan after washing out in the big leagues. But JapaneseBaseball.com says he hasn’t played since 2007. According to Wikipedia’s Baseball Portal, Benny is/was training with the Midland Rockhounds, the A’s AA team, and plans to play for China in the WBC. 2 interesting facts: He’s the most successful of the 5 Filipino major leaguers, another of whom is Chris Aguila, currently in AAA for the Mets, and the Rockhounds play in Citibank Ballpark.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Jan 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just great BobbyV
Classes start again next week for me and you introduce me to Wikipedia’s Baseball Portal. There went my GPA! ;-)
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Cedeno
As fast as he was in terms of pure straight-line speed, he either got bad reads of the ball coming off the bat or took bad routes to the ball and had TERRIBLE range in the outfield as a result. Watching him try to get to the gaps in that giant outfield in Comerica Park was hilarious. FRAA isn’t perfect, of course, but it puts him at -24 for that one season.
by JoshNY on Jan 8, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
Cedeno was a bad fielder. Someone like Church is a far better fielder, despite being slower. But I think generally speaking, fast guys tend to be able to cover more ground in the field…they might not develop into good fielders, but the potential is there. It’s like drafting wide receivers – you’d rather draft a fast guy and teach him to run good routes than a slow guy who already runs good routes, b/c routes can be taught, but speed can’t.
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