" At age 24, Bernie Williams hit .268 with a .333 OBP, .400 SLG, 12 HR, 63 RBI, 53 BB and 106 Ks in...

" At age 24, Bernie Williams hit .268 with a .333 OBP, .400 SLG, 12 HR, 63 RBI, 53 BB and 106 Ks in 567 at bats.

Daniel Murphy this year at age 24 hit .266, .313 OBP, .427 SLG, 12HR, 63 RBI, 38 BB and 69 Ks in 566 at bats. "

Someone should call Fatso at WFAN and see what he has to say about this. He'll probably want to know if Murphy can play the guitar.

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"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Or we (the collective sports fans of NY) could just ignore Fatso and stop feeding his ego

by James Kannengieser on Oct 13, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe it should start with Jeff and Omar not going to the station to kiss the ring.

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Pretty sure that interview had less to do with talking to Francesa

and more to do with communicating to the fans in a non-press conference medium. Good job by Francesa on that interview, btw.

For the life of me I don’t understand why so many New York baseball fans give a shit about what this guy has to say. It appears he’s just a fat bastard who can talk and doesn’t know much about baseball (but apparently does about football, or so I’m told). Why is there a such an obsession with what this guy says about the Mets? He’s an IRL troll and he’s good at it (not that there’s anything terribly wrong with that). But who cares what he has to say?

by James Kannengieser on Oct 13, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I can tell you why I listen sometimes.....

because everyone else sucks worse, and I refuse to pay for satellite radio.

At least, sometimes, he manages to sound intelligent. Michael Kay on the other hand is a complete douche.

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

This is the reason

Also, IMO, he’s gotten a little better in terms of bashing the Mets. Perhaps he just pities them for their miserable year, but he’s gotten off of his “the Mets can do no right” horse a little bit.

He’s also not bad with football (the only other sport he ever talks about).

He IS number one for horse racing talk LOL!!

by Balagast on Oct 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought Francesa gave Omar way too much leeway

Didn’t really press him on Reyes and the changing diagnosis, didn’t bring up Oliver Perez at all, nothing about the dimesions of the park, nothing about Adam Rubin etc. I would really like someone to ask Omar in front of his bosses why he thought Perez was a better fit than Lowe, Wolf or even Burnett.

by Endys Game on Oct 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, bringing up the Rubin thing would have been very low class.

by fxcarden on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions

why?

its an interview not a cocktail party. of course Omar would have probably hung up the phone and never come on the show again. But that isn’t a reason not to ask tough but fair questions. If he didn’t want to call him out in front of Wilpon and Howard, he could have at least asked him about it on another occasion.

by Endys Game on Oct 14, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

the interview was in-studio with Jeff Wilpon present.

Mike, as the show host has to balance a continued relationship with Omar (who he likes), and the Wilpons, vs. the popularity (or backlash depending on your point of view) of doing such a thing.

When the Rubin thing happened, Mike basically left it at “Omar had a bad day, and he was defending his friend”.

by fxcarden on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

a journalist can't worry about who he likes or who he offends

but of course Mike is not a journalist. Leaving it at Omar had a bad day just doesn’t cut it.

by Endys Game on Oct 14, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

correct. he is not a journalist.

he is more of an entertainer.

he doesn’t “generate” stories. he just talks about them.

by fxcarden on Oct 15, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions

and he does know about baseball,

but it is all Yankee-centric.

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

He doesn't know jack shit about baseball

his Yankee opinions are the same as any Yankee fan.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 13, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Jeetah's an MVP type playah

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Jetah was nevah about the numbahs

he was always bettah than his numbahs

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 13, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

This

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

worth noting

that (substantially) similar offensive performance is more valuable if it’s provided by a CF than by a 1B.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions

how so ?.

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

There are more

good hitting first baseman than there are good hitting Center fielders.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Center fielders are much more valuable defensively

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

well

I think the point of this isn’t that Murphy is valuable b/c he had one season that was sorta like one of Bernie Williams’ seasons, the point is that Murphy could possibly develop the way Bernie does and turn into a legitimately really good hitter.

Also, you can afford a little less production from 1B when your CF hits like a first basemen, which luckily ours does.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

sure

their comparable age-24 MLB seasons (and also, as I saw when I looked this up, comparable age-23 minor league seasons) do support the idea that Murphy might turn into a very good hitter.

you’re right that you can afford less production from 1B when you have hitters at premium defensive positions who provide a lot of offense, but I don’t think that means you should necessarily settle for less production there.

by JoshNY on Oct 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions

just because you're cf is good doesn't mean it's OK to have a bad 1B

by EtSuKe on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

that's a strawman though

I’m not saying having a good CF means you should have a bad 1B – I’m saying that having a great CF means the Mets can afford someone who hits like Bernie Williams at first. If a better option comes along that won’t cripple the payroll, go for it, but Beltran covers up for a lack of power from first, in much the same way that Gary Carter and Mike Piazza once did. Obviously, if you could get 40+ HR players at every position you’d do it, but even the Yankees can’t afford that.

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions

i was just responding to

“Also, you can afford a little less production from 1B when your CF hits like a first basemen, which luckily ours does,” but i agree. Murphy is an OK stopgap until Davis is ready. But if we can upgrade 1B for cheap and for 1 year then I think we should do it.

by EtSuKe on Oct 14, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

also

I’ve been an advocate of trying to move Murph to second or use him as a super utility type guy. But I think he’s not a terrible stopgap until Ike Davis is ready.

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

which at this rate would be April

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm fine with that

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

same.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Another thing to consider is their potential

I don’t know personally about Bernie because I’m too young to have a good knowledge of the “potential” that he carried when he came, but Murphy isn’t exactly a top prospect.

If it were someone with David Wright’s pedigree that had a struggling year like this you would give it a little more slack. Essentially the fact that Bernie had similar numbers is pretty irrelevant to Murphy’s future.

I do believe Murphy will improve, but at the same time I don’t think he’ll ever amount to much more than a bench guy in the long run; unless of course he magically obtains the agility to play at least average defense at 2B.

by Balagast on Oct 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions

this whole thing is tongue-in-cheek, BTW.

I don’t think anybody really expects to compare Murphy to Williams.

by fxcarden on Oct 13, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I seem to remember

that Bernie wasn’t a particularly highly regarded prospect, though I was admittedly very young when he came up. I’m pretty sure the Yankees weren’t really sold on him for a while though and considered trading him on a few occasions before ’96

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

though

I should note that just b/c one not highly touted prospect (we’ll call him BW) had one season that was similar to one of our highly touted prospects (we’ll call him DM), and BW became a star doesn’t mean that DM will also become a star. There are probably a lot of not highly regarded prospects who had pretty similar seasons to this who never became much more than replacement players, which is the more likely route for Murphy.

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Ya

That was kind of the point I was trying to make … you articulated it much better though.

by Balagast on Oct 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I messed it up though

I wish they had an edit button for posts – I meant to put “one of our not highly touted prospects”

And I agree with what you said, my first post was just to clarify that I don’t think Bernie was a big time David Wright type prospect, he’s just a rare success story. I’d love for Murphy to have a career arc similar to Bernie’s, but I definitely don’t expect it.

by cjmulrain on Oct 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Murphy struck out a lot less

but also walked a lot less, and his OBP is 20 points lower, though he makes up for it in his SLG. Hey, if can provide 2.2 UZ/150 or whatever it was, and then have Bernie’s age 25 season (.289/.384/.453) with 12 homers, I’d be pleased.
However, it still looks like his best path is a Mark DeRosa type

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions