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Wow, it's like a Diss the Mets Greatest Hits collection. He touches on all the trendy subjects: grit, overhaul the team, the Mets have no farm system, Beltran's not worth his contract, you name it. He adds his own awesomeness, too, though, don't you worry. The Mets apparently have a high priority need for a set up reliever, they should resign Alex Cora, Francisco Rodriguez is an untouchable player, September production is infinitely more important than any other production...but my favorite is this:
"What prospects do the Mets have that other clubs covet? The many mistakes made at the big league level in 2009 by Pagan, Murphy, Martinez, Hernandez and Carlos Gomez, each of whom spent time in the Mets' organization, taint all the club's prospects."
There are no words. Considering his constant referral to Carlos Gomez, I suspect Noble hasn't watched the Mets since 2007.

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With all the crap the Mets are getting,

I hope they go into 2010 with a chip on their shoulder and a “Fuck The World” attitude. Emphasis on hope.

Beer is good! And stuff!

by R_Adragna on Oct 13, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Back in 2003, a lot of players on the Rangers made some mistakes

A-Rod and Mark Texieria sure will pay for that. Pay for it all the way to the bank.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 14, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, fuck Carlos Gomez

What did that loser do for us this season? Nothing, that’s what.

by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 14, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

is Marty Noble worse than Joe Morgan?

I mean, at least Joe Morgan doesn’t know anything about prospects

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 14, 2009 6:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Murphy/Kent

“Joined at the demeanor.” Hmm, Murph must have been a jerk to Noble, since Kent is/was rountinely considered one of the more prickly personalities in the game. Never heard that Murph was tough to get along with, though. I did hear that he was pretty cocky as a college kid. Not that any of this is very relevant, but that comment struck me as a shot at Murph.

by wobatus on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

logic fail.
“The many mistakes made at the big league level in 2009 by Pagan, Murphy, Martinez, Hernandez and Carlos Gomez, each of whom spent time in the Mets’ organization, taint all the club’s prospects.”

Carlos Gomez made mistakes this year.
Carlos Gomez once was a Mets prospect.
Ergo, all Mets prospects are likely to make mistakes and are tainted.

We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!

by kingcritical on Oct 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he answers my question next time

I asked him if he knows anything about baseball and if he’s a complete fucking moron.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Beer is good! And stuff!

by R_Adragna on Oct 15, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's dissect this

Has Beltran been worth one of the biggest contracts ever? If he had put up decent numbers in 05 and 09, maybe he would be, but atm I say it’s a resounding NO.

I’d love to see Cora back… as a coach (and not even a player-coach). He seems like a very nice guy and would make a pretty good bench coach, but for the love of God get him far away from the shortstop position.

We have a pretty serious need for a lefty setup man.

K-Rod is pretty untouchable, considering his huge contract, and path of regression.

Are you denying that our prospects have had a down year mostly?

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

in summary

he’s no baseball genius, but he’s not a moron… lay off

you guys can all be dicks sometimes

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You guys can all be dicks sometimes"

So sayeth the commenter who hates one of the team’s best players for no discernible reason. Nice.

Also, Carlos Beltran has been worth about $95.5 million so far in the first five years of his contract, or 23.4 WAR per Fangraphs. I’d say he has totally lived up to the amount of the contract so far.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 14, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate Reyes

he’s a great player, top 3 in the bigs, but I despise the way he plays the game

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

case in point
you guys can all be dicks sometimes

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 14, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

these situations aren't parallel

a lacksadaisical player, and a reporter doing his job as well as he can, disliking those two people’s MO is not comparable

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 14, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about

a blog commenter saying Reyes’s teammates don’t like him, based on non-existent interviews totally fabricated by said commenter because he hates Reyes?

by James Kannengieser on Oct 14, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I repeat, case in point
you guys can allmetsguy234 can be dicks sometimesa dick all the time about Reyes

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm assuming people dont like playing with reyes

since he’s a huge distraction and a big prima donna

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And also

they said so, in interviews that exist only in my head.

by SuperT on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez, if that's how you feel about Reyes, I'd hate to hear your thoughts on Hanley Ramirez

Or is he exempt because he won a batting title? I mean, he is one of the few, if only shortstops in the game better than Reyes, but its also much easier to produce tangible evidence that he’s a “distraction and a prima donna,” being that its actually possible to cite well documented instances where he would lock horns with coaches and teammates. The worst thing Reyes ever did was show up his manager by trying to stay in a game that he was being pulled from out of medical concern, not disciplinary action.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 15, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's kind of a dickwad assumption.

Should I assume you’re a dumb person because you left a contraction out of the word “don’t” and didn’t use a period to end your thought?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's your perception of him

that comes from the fact that he likes to celebrate. I’m sure his teammates like him a lot, because clubhouse distractions usually get uncovered by the media, and the only report we had of teammates not liking him was your made up bullshit interview.

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 16, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

the interview was a metaphor

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 16, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

except this was a really lazy article.

which is just as bad as Reyes’ supposed laziness, despite the fact that you need unbelieveable work ethic to even be in the majors.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 14, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for David Wells

But what the hell, maybe even he has an unbelievable work ethic.

by wobatus on Oct 15, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

why do we need a lefty set-up man?

and beltran was having a great season until he got injured.

by EtSuKe on Oct 14, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

well we need another lefty in the bullpen

and we need a strong 8th inning guy, since we’re obviously not bringing back putz

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 14, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bostick is the lefty

And Green, Parnell and Stokes can be used in the 8th. And Feliciano.
Bullpen: Comeplete

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 15, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're relying on

Adam Bostick, Sean Green, and Bobby Parnell this much?

May I remind you what we all (except me) saying about the latter two for the entirety of the season

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut

Now you think you’re some sort of prophet by saying Parnell and Green are bad (when in fact they are perfectly good relievers)?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 15, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope i never said they are bad

apparently you’re blind to things on the inside of parentheses

May I remind you what we all (except me) saying about the latter two for the entirety of the season

E for Effort

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 16, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I'll remind you what we were saying

Bobby Parnell: 3.75 FIP as a reliever, 3.80 tRA
Sean Green: 4.42 FIP as a reliever, 4.45 tRA
both perfectly acceptable; just because their ERA’s sucked doesn’t mean they’re not good
oh, and

May I remind you what we all (except me) saying about the latter two for the entirety of the season

you missed a “were” between "we all (except me) and “saying”

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 16, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's bullshit.

until you give me an actual reason, i’m just going with you being racist. “Beltran and Reyes are great, but I dislike them because of how they play” sounds pretty questionable to me.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 14, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I like Beltran

liked Delgado, I like K-Rod, I like Pagan, etc

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 15, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

then you're just ignorant or lazy.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 15, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must love the way Dick Torino plays the game

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 16, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I think Victorino plays the game well

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 16, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Victorino is a good(not great) player

who is also a sullen nasty jerk and pisses off other teams for no reason and even his own teamates on occasion. Reyes is a great player who pisses off nobody except racist jerks or foolish people who value gritty stoic sullen play over actual results by a player who shows that the game is also fun for him. Some people just can’t handle the fact that someone might actually enjoy playing baseball and want to be enthusiatic about it. But real Met fans know, as someone once said, that watching Reyes exhibit his great joy for the game is one of the best things about being a Mets fan.

by Endys Game on Oct 17, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he liked the game

he’d play it the right way, and stop fooling around

"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner

by metsguy234 on Oct 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can't think of anything intelligent to say to this

and I don’t want to stoop to your cretin level so I guess we are done here.

by Endys Game on Oct 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, marty

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 14, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am denying that our prospects had a down year

because if you knew ANYTHING about our minor league system, you’d know that isn’t true. Ike Davis and Jenrry Mejia had HUGE years. Tejada, Thole, Flores, Holt, Martinez, Niese, etc. only increased their stock and perceptions. Guys like Allen, Niuewenhuis, and Familia established themselves as real prospects, guys who have a future. Havens wasn’t great, but it was fueled by injury and BABIP. The only really disappointing prospect this year was Marte…and he’s only 18.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 14, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to have you back

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 15, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sickels ranked Ike 21

On his rotowire list, which isa combo for fantasy and reality prospect top 100, John ranked Ike 21. Ahead of Morrison, Freddy Freeman and Alonso. Guys who were all ranked ahead of him even at the end of May this year (when ike first showed up in the top 100)

Yes, I would have to call 2009 a very encouraging year for the Mets system for all the reasosn you mention.

by wobatus on Oct 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you're wrong

According to Cot’s he’s been paid $71 million since he’s been a Met, and according to FanGraphs he’s been worth $95.5 million. He has exceeded his contract even with two years where he was severely injured.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 15, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Urgh

He’s not just completely, demonstrably wrong about everything, all the time…but he’s snotty about it.

by pologroundling on Oct 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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