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Diamonds In The Rough

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In the same vein as yesterday's Minor League free agents, these are the John Maine-esque, under the radar steals of typically cheap, young pitchers that for whatever reason become available.  Whether it's a post-hype prospect (like Maine), a 4-5 starter that's out of options but won't make the 40-man or just a player that's being overlooked, usually this is someone who has fallen out of favor w/ an organization (a la Heath Bell) and often is available due to a logjam of pitching. 

Similar to the Rule 5 Draft, transactions that involve such little input and can potentially derive such a great deal of output are definitely worth exploring and if it doesn't work, who cares?  No, they won't make or break the season and you'll rarely uncover a top-of-the-rotation guy, but acquiring even a #5 for cheap has it's value.  But be warned, each of these guys has their warts, that's what makes them "in the rough"/available.

More recent examples:

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Andy Sonnanstine (TB) - After a  losing his rotation spot twice this season, Sonnanstine has been passed on the totem pole by TB prospects Wade Davis and soon Jeremy Hellickson leaving little room in the TB rotation.  And while he had a poor 2009, he did post a 3.91 FIP in 32 starts in the majors last season (4.38 ERA) and has been plagued by about a .340 BABIP in '09.

Manny Parra (MIL) - Ranked by BA as the Brewers #2 prospect back in '07, Parra has been somewhat of a disappointment since joining the MIL rotation.  In '08 he posted an OK 4.38 ERA (4.18 FIP) but took a step backwards in '09 (6.36 ERA) and command has been an issue since his debut.  However, look past the results and you'll find a pitcher w/ top notch stuff who dominated the minors (AND limited walks) and has posted BABIP's of .337 and .365 the last 2 years respectively.  However, due to an organizational dearth of pitching the Brewers probably aren't ready to let him go.

Casey Janssen (TOR) -  This 4th round draftee out of UCLA seems to have fallen into that long relief/spot start role that often signifies he's on the back burner as a long-term starting option.  Yet Janssen possesses 4 major league average pitches and can reach 90-91mph w/ his sinker and posted a 2.88 career minor league ERA.  But w/ guys like Romero, Richmond, Cecil, Litsch, Marcum, Rzepczynski & Mcgowan ahead of him in the pecking order, chances are he won't get his "shot" w/ TOR.

David Purcey (TOR) - Like Janssen, Purcey (the 16th overall pick in the '04 draft) is dropping on the organizational totem pole.  Purcey never quite mastered the minors and has had trouble in the majors as well mostly due to serious command problems.  However, as a lefty who can hit the mid-90's w/ a wipeout slider scouts have always dreamed about his potential and he did post a 2.69 ERA in 19 starts in AAA last year.  This would be a nearly complete projection pickup, like Oliver Perez in '06.

Glen Perkins (MIN) - Taken 6 picks after Purcey in the 2004 first round, Perkins had good success in the minors that just hasn't translated to the majors yet due to a lack of stuff.  His FB works in the high 80's but like most Twins pitchers he has good control.  He posted a 4.66 FIP in 17 starts in '09 and w/ a patient team can definitely settle into the back of a rotation.  Unfortunately for him, the Twins have a young group in Slowey, Baker, Blackburn, Duensing, Swarzak & Manship that makes him expendable.

Francisco Liriano (MIN) -  We all know about this kid, who once looked destined for stardom.  But after the arm surgery he just hasn't been nearly as dominant w/ his fastball declining, his once electric slider becoming very inconsistent and increased problems w/ walks.  After this season's 5.80 ERA and his upcoming entrance into arb. years, look for the Twins to bank on Liriano's big name in a trade.  Of course for a buy-low candidate the potential is high but it's fading away fast; no thanks.

Sean Marshall (CHI) - This former BA Top 10 Cubs prospect has settled into the swingman role for Lou.  But having thoroughly dominated the minors to the tune of a 2.65 career ERA, this 6'7" lefty w/ a good (though not as hard as you'd think) sinker and decent command seems like he could handle starting.  The Cubs gave him 43 starts between '06-'07 (w/ OK but not great success) but he only got 9 starts in '09.  However, this cash-strapped organization probably doesn't want to lose one of it's cheaper players.

Dana Eveland (OAK) - Another big lefty w/ good stuff who had success in the minors (noticing a trend here?), Eveland finally got his shot last year making 29 starts w/ OAK and posted a 4.09 FIP.  However, he lost his rotation spot after a tough start in '09, due in part to a .335 BABIP.  He has always had command issues and w/ Oakland's good young crop of pitching (Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro, Braden, Gonzalez & Simmons) he could be available.

Tim Stauffer (SD) - Often ranking in SD's top 5 prospects, this 4th overall pick in '03 took years to get back to the majors after a solid debut in '05.  He's had various arm injuries but still boasts the deep repertoire, low 90's FB and pin-point command that made him a first rounder, though he was most definitely an overdraft at the time.  He posted a 4.67 FIP in 14 starts this year.  The Padres are relying heavily on youth so he might not be available but after years of waiting they might just be getting tired of his act.

Charlie Haeger (LAD) - Why not bring in the the best knuckleballer since Tim Wakefield?  He's always posted decent #'s in the minors (3.87 career minors ERA,  3.22 ERA in 22 starts in AAA this year) and even translated that success to the majors as a starter.  He even possesses a mid-80's FB (compared to Wake who averaged 72.4 in '09).   His problem is that he can't pitch in relief and that's the role he's been given most often so he's looked bad.  But Haeger is the perfect guy for this list, he probably won't work out but costs nothing and judging by Wakefield's success could definitely find a niche and pitch well for a long time.

Joe Martinez (SF) - This West Orange, NJ product (most famous for being hit in the head this spring) posted a 3.51 ERA in the minors including a 2.49 in AA in 2008.  He doesn't blow anyone away with his stuff, throwing in the high 80's but works off a decent curve and a plus change and doesn't walk many guys.   Problem for him is that there's just no room in the Giants good young rotation with guys like Jonathan Sanchez and Madison Bumgarner next in line and Martinez ranking as the Giant's 30th best prospect in '09 by BA.  It reminds me a lot of the Brian Bannister situation.  Fun Fact:  He pitched at Seton Hall Prep. w/ Rick Porcello.

Jo-Jo Reyes (ATL) - Here's a longshot.  He posted a 7 ERA this season before going down w/ a hamstring and has never really had much, if any, success in the majors.  However, as this Fangraphs article points out, Reyes was posting about a 5 FIP in '09 w/ a great deal of bad luck going against him in terms of HR/FB and LOB%.  He also saw a HUGE jump in % of swinging strikes in '09 after reportedly relying more heavily on his good slider.  Still a definite reach at best. 

Ian Kennedy (NYY) - W/ a 1.96 minor league ERA posted mostly at AA or AAA, you've got to put him on this list.  He's always posted plenty of K's, usually less hits than ip and limits his BB's.  The problem is that in his 60 majors innings, none of this has been true.  My take has always been that he has great command of middling stuff and is very smart about pitching which is enough to dominate minor leaguers but it's a different story w/ the best hitters in the world.  Maybe I'm right but he's currently pitching well in the AFL and those minor league #'s warrant another look; plus, in his highly publicized '08 failed shot at the rotation he did post a very unlucky .347 BABIP, especially when coupled w/ an incredibly low 11.6% LD rate.

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Jo-Jo Reyes

I don’t think I can support getting anyone with that name. It sounds too much like Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo.

by JoshNY on Oct 15, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Josh, that's the worst fake name I've ever heard.

"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez

by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

segueing:

Pea… Tear… Griffin. Peter Griffin.

Crap.

by JoshNY on Oct 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just not sure I can support a third Reyes on the roster. It already tore my heart a few times this season when I would hear the name “Reyes” only to realize it wasn’t Jose.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Oct 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lobbied for Sonnanstine or Jackson last year.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 15, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 15, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I look at Sonnanstine and immeadiately think

Steve Traschel. Even though Andy is most definitely better.

Trying to believe is my full-time occupation.

by Preach19 on Oct 16, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If other teams have log-jams of pitching

do we have a log flume?

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 15, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

log flumes are fun

our pitching situation is hardly fun

by JoshNY on Oct 15, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is for opposing batters

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

good piece. Those lefties with great stuff who don’t pan out are SOOOO tempting.

by HotChipWillBreakYourLegs on Oct 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

i love posts like these

i did one a while back. others:

towles + thole = THOWLES connor jackson = this one raised quite the stir felipe paulino = throws 98, very good xFIP, great K numbers, just got hit a ton (unlucky) matt murton = goes without saying at this point

seriously, i love these posts.

by firejerrymanuel on Oct 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

glad you liked it

yeah i remember yours but i had issues with those particular players:

towles is WAY too unpredictable at this point for a team in search of a primary catcher to complete a supposed playoff contending roster

i dont hate jackson as a buy-low candidate but is he really that much better than our in-house options?

and theres no way the astros give up on probably their bext pitching prospect whose been a top 10 guy for them since 2006 and has been clocked at 100mph after a debut season where he only pitched 81 innings, no matter how hard he was hit.

i do agree on matt murton though

by Rob Castellano on Oct 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Thole should be rushed

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 16, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

ehh, 5.11 FIP last year

maybe he doesn’t give up 20 homers

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 17, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I think Nieve’s success was partially luck and partially Citifield.

I say we give him a shot as a 7th bullpen man

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Justin Duscherer? coming off surgery, but seemed to have a bout of success before that.

-Ceetar, the Optimistic Mets Fan

by Ceetar on Oct 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

surgery

isnt even why he was out for 2009.

Clinical Depression

Not a fit for NY….

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 16, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way.

Clinical Depression is a PERFECT fit for the Mets.

by fxcarden on Oct 17, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

"damn...

I’m on the Mets…. What did I drink last night?"

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could always promote Eddie Kunz

aka “Diamonds in the Ruff”

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 16, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I can see Omar signing Liriano

and Liriano being the latest Jeff D’Amico.

Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?

by CharlieH on Oct 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

remember he got thrown out at first base from right field?

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 17, 2009 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Cerrone said today.....

" The days of Johan Santana, some random, washed-up, veteran fifth starter, and three guys named Hope, Maybe and Potential, has to be a thing of the past. "

This team needs to sign established pitchers if they hope to win while Beltran, etc are still around. Before you know it, 2012 will be here and the exodus will begin, as noted in another Fanpost.

I suppose Hope = Perez, Maybe = Maine, Potential = Pelfrey.

by fxcarden on Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Pelfrey isn't really "potential" at this point

in 2009 his FIP/tRA were rather close to Burnett

IMO, Mike Pelfrey is a bona fide #2 in most rotations.

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a 3.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 17, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

...not that numbers mean anything, Sam!

heh. heh.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know..

he was 40th in the majors in FIP in 2008 and 46th in 2009.

I especially admire his FIP for this year — he seemed pretty exhausted with the Mets’ D allowing all those hits.

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 17, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Burnetts defense, his FIP was likely somewhat inflated due to the stadium he played in.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 17, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelfrey's a third starter. If he can repeat his best season.

FIP is missing something, then. 213 hits in 184 innings (in 2009) is very poor for a #2. 5.2 Ks per 9 and dropping suggests a guy on his way out of the majors rather than the second best starter on a decent ML team. Pelfrey’s K/BB ratio is adequate, but only that. If Pelfrey repeats in 2010 what he did in 2009, and only Santana is better, the Mets won’t make the playoffs.

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 5:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Thing is, you're looking at those hits but not looking at why.

He had one of the worst infield defenses of the past 5 years behind him when he started, and Pelfrey is one of the most pronounced GB pitchers in baseball. He doesn’t strike guys out a lot, but he does create a lot of groundballs that would be fielded by even a competent defense. If Reyes is back and Wright is better defensively, Pelfrey will be good next year, promise.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

One day I swear I will get a handle on all these stats you guys throw back and forth.....

In the meantime…………regarding Pelfrey and hits vs. shitty defense……

Pelfrey throws ball.
Batter hits ball.
Fielder doesn’t make the play, but it is still ruled a hit, as opposed to an error.

My take on this is that if Pelfrey had made a better pitch, he likely would have had better results……. no ?.

by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A fielder with shitty range won't get to the same number of balls a good fielder will get to,

so when you have a ground ball pitcher like Pelfrey, you want guys who will cover as much ground as possible. When a ball is hit on the ground, it has very few places where it will get out of the infield, but when you have a guy like Castillo at second and Cora at short, those holes become bigger giving the ball a bigger chance of becoming a hit.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that part.

but I am saying that maybe Pelf threw a FB to a guy allowing him to pull the ball in the hole, where perhaps he should have thrown a different pitch.

In other words…..deceive the batter. Incidentally, that is my beef with Maine. He doesn’t really throw secondary pitches, so people sit on his FB.

by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if Pelfrey is getting ground balls

he’s doing his job. He’s not a strikeout pitcher, his secondary stuff isn’t great, he gets batters to put the ball on the ground, there’s not much more he can do.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

*thing

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That maybe so

but you also take into account that he doesn’t walk too many batters or allow more home runs.

Because of these extremely positive factors, the fact that he allows hitters to put the ball into play would be just fine if the Mets weren’t so terrible.

Most strikeout pitchers also have problems with homers and walks even though they don’t pitch to contact as much, and often are less durable (it takes at least 3 pitches to strike a guy out, and only one to ground a guy out). It’s a tradeoff, and with a good defense we’d be getting a much better deal with Pelfrey.

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 18, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In which case, my friend, tell me why...

…by readily available measures, at least, the Mets infield was rather better in 2009 than it was in 2008 (Pelfrey’s best year).

Cora played 56 games at SS in 2009, with a range factor of 4.75/9. In 2008 the Mets SS was essentially Jose Reyes, whose RF in 158 games was an abominable 4.07/9. When Reyes was able to stay in the lineup in 2009 his RF/9 was 4.13/9, or slightly better than his 2008. Castillo got to an additional 0.25/9 in 2009 versus 2008. By most accounts Daniel Murphy had better range and was, overall, a better fielder than ancient Carlos Delgado, while Wright’s RF/9 was identical, in 2008 and 2009.

I realize RF/9 is not the most sophisticated method we have for analyzing defense, but when you’re looking at a similar infield and the same pitcher, it’s pretty good. And RF/9 tells us not only was the Mets infield getting to more balls in 2009, it was getting to significantly more balls.

I do realize this is evidence, rather than proof, but I do believe it is compelling evidence.

(Stats are taken from BaseballReference.com)

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psst.....

a lot of people don’t like Cora here.

by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

he’s not a real favorite of mine, either but it’s not his fault Moar threw $$$ at him.

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

UZR and RngR are a better measure

And in 2008 Reyes RngR was 1.8 and Cora this year was -2.7. Even bigger is the difference in Wright from 08 to 09, 3.7 to -9.8.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where does one find those stats, Evan?

And is RngR something like seasonal runs above average?

If you have a link to those numbers and, especially, how they are arrived at, I’d appreciate it.

(It does seem odd to me that despite his horrendous range [hell, in 2008 Jeter got to as many balls], Reyes would be generating some kind of plus number in 2008.)

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs.com

and RngR is Range Runs Above Average. UZR combine RngR, ErrR (Error Runs Above Average) and either DPR (Double Play Runs Above Average) for infielders or ARM (Outfield Arm Runs Above Average) for outfielders for an all encompassing defensive stat.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And even better for teamwide defense, though you can't isolate the infield, is DE (Defensive efficiency)

Which is essentially the pitching staff’s BABIP backwards. The Mets had a .693 mark, which actually isn’t terrible (13th in the majors), but when adjusted for park (PADE, Park Adjusted Defensive Efficiency), the Mets were -1.74, good for 26th in the majors and 14th in the NL. Compare that to last year, when the Mets were at .-0.34, which was pretty much middle of the pack. The year before the Mets were even better, at +1.51, which was 5th in MLB. Of course, anything adjusted for park could be a bit problematic given the sample sizes of CitiField, and a lot of this could be rooted in some of the crappy outfield defense, but either way, the team defense really was atrocious this year and probably cost the pitching staff quite a few runs.

Link for the numbers I’m looking at.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 19, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Range Factor, even per 9

is a terrible stat.

It’s really just a counting stat and is totally dependent on sample size (especially when comparing a bench player like Cora to Reyes)

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way you said that

makes it seem like UZR isn’t reliable. I know (think?) that you didn’t mean it that way but just to point out, UZR has its flaws, but it is a great stat for measuring defense.

"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."

by Evan_S on Oct 19, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right.

I do think it’s reliable, didn’t mean to phrase it differently.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great availability is what is propelling its usage.

by ol Pete on Oct 20, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, I missed...

On Pelfrey’s K rate. It in fact improved, from 4.9 in 2008 to 5.2 in 2009. HRs, though, nearly doubled, from 0.5/9 to 0.9/9. That increase would alone count for about half of the additonal ERs he gave up in 2009 versus 2008.

I AM guardedly optimistic, but since the Mets D is unlikely to improve significantly in 2010, my wildass guess is that Pelfrey will post numbers equidistant between his 2008 and his 2009.

by SeanSchirmer on Oct 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Explanation on Pelf's HR rate

perhaps this was due to the fact that he was blown out in a couple of games and never taken out (which has happened this year more often than usual with the Mets) or because his defense has been allowing more hits thereby extending bad innings and making bad into worse by tiring him.

Or we have something to worry about.

Also on the Mets D improving:

Wright’s bad defensive year was a big abberation in comparison to his career, we’re likely to get a good defensive year out of Reyes and Beltran as well, and Holliday would be a huge improvement over Sheffield.

I’d say our team UZR ends up at 0 or 15. certainly better than 2009.

by METSMETSMETS on Oct 18, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Lost in the shuffle of all this is the impact that Endy’s departure has had on defense. It may not effect the infield, but here was a guy capable of saving more than 10 runs in fewer than 1000 defensive innings. And in 2008, he was absolutely incredibly, with a 14.7 UZR in just 635 innings. That’s an incredible defensive achievement, and 14 runs that are virtually impossible to replace in any market.

"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet

What a fool I was to defy him"

-HST

by Mark Himmelstein on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

i know acl/mcl recovery takes 9 months to a year putting endy on track for a tentative june 2010 return and chances are the leg injury cuts into his range long-term…but i’d definitely still keep tabs on him this winter to see how the rehab is going and possibly throw him a minor league deal to come back next year

by Rob Castellano on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And not only that isn't Frenchy supposed to be good at defenc

/sarcasm
on a serious note though, if Valdez is the defensive specialsist, and we get Endy back we probably do save runs…and Pagan did save 5.5 runs in 697 innings (which, admitedly is not as good as Endy’s 14)

"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"

by firejerrynow on Oct 22, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

some list

You know, all I can say is God help the Mets if they bring in any of these losers. There’s not one guy here who is any better than what they already got behind Johan.

by TomSeaver on Oct 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

As insurance, these guys are fine.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another one from the "if healthy" list...

Kelvim Escobar. I’d monitor him closely. On a talent level he might be near the top of this list and though he’s missed like a year and half, he’s still just about 34/35 iirc. At the moment he really seems to be flying under that radar.

by ThnkGoodnessforHowieRose on Oct 22, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions  

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