Utley Applesauce - Holliday prefers Yankees and Mets, Marquis wants Mets, 1969 photos, Cards trading Pujols?
by Joe Budd on Oct 18, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
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So, while all the cool people are enjoying October baseball, I feel like I'm sitting at home in my parents' basement waiting for news on Matt Holliday. Fortunately, there is something along those lines to pass along.
Meet the Mets
Ken Davidoff reports that Matt Holliday's top two choices are the Yankees and the Mets (in that order). I always enjoy being the second choice.
Jason Marquis, however, seems to have the Mets as his first choice.
LIFE magazine puts together an awesome photo gallery of shots from the 1969 Met season.
FanGraphs explains why Johan Santana can be such a good pitcher while relying on the fly ball.
Around the NL East
Tim Hudson has announced that he'll give Atlanta a hometown discount. That's quite the change from saying he'll test free agency.
Chase Utley is human after all.
Brett Myers is angry at being left off the Phillies' NLCS roster. So is Crashburn Alley.
Stephen Strasburg pitched three and a third innings of shutout baseball in his Fall League debut reaching 99 mph with his fastball.
Around MLB
There are rumblings that St. Louis may look to trade Albert Pujols after the first baseman expressed a reluctance to sign a contract extension. Ted Berg took notice.
Mike Lupica writes an incredibly annoying column explaining why the Yankees have the best fans in the world, seemingly because they are willing to go to cold games and pay a lot of money for tickets.
Meanwhile, the Yankees' favorite singer, Ronan Tynan, has been banned from singing for the time being after making an anti-semitic remark.
The Astros really are considering everyone who can possibly manage their team; they are interviewing former manager Phil Garner.
The Cubs are most likely going to offer Rudy Jaramillo their hitting coach job.
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Seriously, it's like a tongue bath.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1000
The best fans in the world are those who always consistently support a team (like the Browns fans) no matter what, not ones who complain any year they don’t win it all is a failure.
by Jsz on Oct 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the reason
fans pay so much is that because of their SUCCESS they have a HUGE fanbase and that means MORE RICH PEOPLE to pay for the tickets. Also the cold is nothing a JACKET can’t solve, and considering these richies are already paying for season tickets bringing a jacket shouldnt be too much of a nuisance.
by METSMETSMETS on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's just awful.
I wonder if he had to wear kneepads when he wrote that.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I finally broke down and read it. Yankee fans should certainly be applauded for their willingness to support a team that charges a lot of money for the privilege to attend their games, as well as their willingness to support a team that wins Championships more often than any other MLB team. Those fans are also brave enough to support that team even though the team spends as much money as it can in order to secure the best players.
Truly, these are the greatest fans the world hast ever known. Bravo, Mike Lupica, for your brave and stirring tribute.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 18, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lupica needs to go away! FOREVER!!!
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 19, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Yankees will be looking of a LF
I think they will resign Damon
Gangsta
by Jadden Hopkins on Oct 18, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they hinted that they were going to offer arbitration,
and he’d be stupid not to take it.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Oct 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would love to see Marquis in a Mets Uniform. He’s a native NYC’er and from the same Borough as me
by WebBard on Oct 18, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But he still sucks
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can pinch hit though...
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Schmidtxc on Oct 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a 4th or 5th starter he'd be fine
he also brings more value with his bat than other pitchers, so thats something
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
by metsguy234 on Oct 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's barely anything
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be better than Francoeur
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 19, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the many things that will piss me off this offseason
is the availability of a premier hitting coach, and the Mets looking the other way and keeping Hojo.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I missed this the first time.
There’s even a CHANCE that we could get Pujols?
I’m starting to sweat.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he would cost us at least David Wright or Jose Reyes
Plus Ike Davis, Reese Havens, Fernando Martinez. Then we would have to sign him for 30 million a year.
by aparkermarshall on Oct 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it would still be worth it
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the Mets
NO CHANCE whatsoever.
He lacks enough “GRIT”.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance, but
not because of grit. We already traded for Johan so I doubt we have enough without gutting the minors. At least IMO
by Jsz on Oct 18, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that is ok
the entire minors combined will never OPS as much as Albert
by Endys Game on Oct 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good one. We should just trade whole AA team to the cards with Castillo and Perez
by Jsz on Oct 18, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan can fix Ollie in 10 minutes
wait thats the wrong pitching coach
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 19, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Ronan Tynan sure jumped the shark. That is about the only thing that has gone wrong for the Yankees these days.
by Endys Game on Oct 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Pujols
If the Cardinals came calling and wanted (for arguments’ sake)….F!. Ike Davis, and Mejia, would you make the trade (assuming you could sign Albert to an extension).
??
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
things I would trade for Albert Pujols:
- every one of our top 20 prospects
- Jose Reyes
- Carlos Beltran
- David Wright
- my parents
- my girlfriend
- Citi Field
- rights to the 1969 and 1986 World Series Championships
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you really trade David Wright for Albert Pujols?
Straight up
by Sam Page on Oct 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wright would be the one player I'd hesitate with.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Wright is younger and one of the five best players in the league, this year notwithstanding. Obviously Pujols is the best in the game, one of the best of all time, but it isn’t that easy of a decision. Consider that we’d have to sign Pujols to an extension of $25 million+ a year while we have Wright for three more years at $10 million, $14 million and $15 million, and should he return to his 06-08 form, he’s the better player for the money.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a big if
what if what he did this year is what he is for the rest of his career?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
it wasn’t very plausible that he would hit less than 15 homers this year, either.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would doubt it.
But yeah, if so, than it’s a no brainer. But it would be a product of no brains to not take into account D-Wright’s own brand of awesomeness.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what the fascination with saving Wilpon's money is on this site.
Jeez.
Pujols for Wright ?. The best player for the 5th best player ?. Why is it even a question ?.
Would anyone here really worry about Wilpon’s millions as you watched Pujols hit 35-40 bombs and intimidate the shit out of the opposing pitcher every year for the next 5 or 6 years ?.
I know Wright is a good player, but he’s not in the same league as Pujols.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they have a limit on how much they will spend
so any hypothetical has to take that limit into consideration to make it realistic.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct,
so therefore, I hypothesize that the Mets could spend more.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence do you have of the Mets spending more than $150 million?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Most people here are going based on what the Wilpon’s have already done, not trying to predict what they will do.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine.
I’m just working on a fantasy team, living in my own private idaho.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is in the same league
Wright is consistently in the top 5 players in WAR, he’s younger, and saving money does matter because the Wilpon’s money is not infinite.
by Sam Page on Oct 18, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't have to be infinite money.
Just a budget increase.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a SIGNIFICANT budget increase
for a player that is arguably a less valuable asset going forward, believe it or not
by Sam Page on Oct 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilpon has a ponzi scheme going on.
money is no object.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that only for the NL or the entire league?
His Top 5 WAR I mean.
by DC4Three on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From 06 to 08
He was third in the majors behind Pujols who had like 24 and Utley who had 22. Wright’s WAR 20.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have anyone that can play third ?.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols?
but I guess Murph could – that’s his “natural” position
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
I’m a bit worried about Wright’s power outage this year – if it never comes back, he loses so much of his value. And Pujols is one of the 10 best hitters of all time, is only 29, and is good defensively. And even if Wright’s power does come back – he’s really, really good. But he’s not this
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all the Cards wanted was those three players . . .
done.
Unfortunately, I’m going to assume it’ll take more than those three players.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 18, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
It’s a shame he’s coming off such an overrated season, he’d be a good pickup for 2y/10m kind of deal
by viktor06 on Oct 18, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals would be the biggest goats ever if...
they ever let Pujols get away. Right now he is the franchise. They just give him him whatever they want to keep him. That being said I could see Pujols and Santana being good buddies on the Mets.
I definitely feel like I'm orange field drinking oranges from the orange
by Plaxico's Gun on Oct 18, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How's that ?
Santana / Johan I mean.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming he meant because they're both of hispanic descent
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Phillies
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate is such a strong word.
Usually reserved for the Yankees.
by fxcarden on Oct 18, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Yankees way more than the Phillies
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't live in New York do you?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not anymore
grew up on Long Island, spend 4 years less than an hour outside Philly, and now live in DC, and I can say for a fact that Philly fans are worse than Yankee fans.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not when you live right near Yankee fans
and your friends are Yankee fans and even your family.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me
I live in Jersey. I’d say among my friends, it’s something like 35% Phillies fans, 35% Yankees fans, 20% Mets fans, 10% bandwagon Sox fans. Besides the Sox fans (who are terrible just for being bandwagon), the Philly fans are FAR, FAR worse.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 18, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
my girlfriend and her entire family are Yankees fans, and many of my childhood friends plus a few people I met at college are Yankees fans. Prior to college, I thought they were the worst. I wish I could go back to that innocent time again.
Also, much as I hate them, at least they have a legitimate reason to be arrogant, the Yankees are a really friggin successful franchise. The Phillies have been a joke for 99.8% of their existence. Unfortunately we’re living in .1% of the time they’re not a joke, with the late 70’s/early 80’s making up that other .1%
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly why I hate the Phillies so much NOW
I’ve lived in/near Philly for over 12 years, and I never really hated the Phillies till like 3-4 years ago when all their fans suddenly came out of the woodwork. Phils fans will deny it, but they were the 4th team in this city for as long as I could remember and now they make it seem like they’ve been this loyal devoted fanbase for years.
by Balagast on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
I think that’s what pisses me off the most. I have pictures of one of my really good friends from college wearing a Red Sox jersey and Red Sox hat during the 2004 playoffs, and I know she used to wear Eagles stuff all the time. Now she wears a Phillies hat or shirt every time I see her, and she claims she’s been a hardcore Phillies fan since she was a kid. A few months ago I asked her to name 3 Phillies from the 1993 team (she couldn’t b/c she claims she was too young), so I said, “ok, name 3 from the 2001 team” and she couldn’t do that, either. To me, that’s Philly fans in a nutshell.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Williams, Lenny Dykstra, John Kruk
Bobby Abreu, Scott Rolen, Randy Wolf
by JoshNY on Oct 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlon Anderson, Omar Daal, Robert Person, Bruce Chen, Travis Lee
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 19, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity
You don’t happen to be in the Trenton area, do you?
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't use the word "like"
with regard to either team. I can’t even conceive having to “root” for one of them. And I don’t even have any friends who are Phillie fans. If there’s a WS with them, I’m checking out.
by Mount17 on Oct 19, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Especially their scumbag fans since they claim to be the best fans ever after the last 3 years. Bullshit! As far as I see it, they’re just Eagles fans looking for time to kill in the offseason. Once they go back to their failing ways, the city will not care about them one bit. Guaranteed!
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would I trade Wright for Pujols?
Probably not. Reyes for Pujols: Probably. Beltran for Pujols: Most Probably
I would love to have Pujols on the Mets, but I’m not sure whether I would trade Wright for him. Just because of who would replace Wright.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 19, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for this season
it would probably be Daniel Murphy. So instead of Wright at 3rd, Murph at 1st, you’d probably have Murph at 3rd, Pujols at 1st. That’s an upgrade all around, b/c Murph’s bat plays better at 3rd anyway.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but in terms of cost effectiveness going forward, it might be a downgrade in terms of payroll flexibility.
As well as the age factor.
Basically, I really think there are a few untradeable guys in baseball. Pujols leads that list, but I’d put Wright there too.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 19, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
I think I’d still make the trade. But I was just offering a suggestion for what to do at 3rd if that trade was made. I think in a purely baseball sense, Murph at 3rd and Pujols at 1st is better (if not significantly better) than Wright at 3rd and Murph at 1st.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
It doesn’t really matter, since I think both teams would slam down the phone, to be honest.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QUOTE: "Brett Myers is angry at being left off the Phillies' NLCS roster. "
Hide the women!
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Oct 19, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys are making me nuts
with all the talk about Phillies and Yankees. Go look at those 1969 pictures and chill out. Maybe even pretend it’s now. Loved looking at Forbes Field again. Did you know they used to play doubleheaders on the 4th of July with the first pitch at 10 AM? And they played two games barely the time it takes to play one now (especially these post season games).
by StorkFan on Oct 19, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
it’s really annoying when baseball fans talk about 2 of the 4 teams that are still playing baseball.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 19, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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