Open Thread: Mets vs Astros
by Eric Simon on Oct 2, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
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Houston Astros at New York Mets, Oct 2, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
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almost there
just a few more days of this
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we're not playing florida in the last series!
Remember how happy we were for that 6 months ago.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
not to worry....
were we to be in contention at this point, we would have been 3 up with 3 to play, and the following would have happened
Wandy = 3 hit shutout
Oswalt = no hitter, and the Mets would have given him the pitcher’s plate to mark the ocassion.
LaTroy Hawkins would then have made an emergency start and pitched 6 strong, while Ollie never got out of the first inning.
Who in their right mind would sign up for fantasy camp with THIS crew ?
Personally, I don’t need any surgeries, thank you.
are you kidding
playing in fantasy camp next to these guys… you’ll look like a pro! They might sign you
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I have 3 worn out lumbar discs and 2 more that are bulging,
I also have a cranky left hip.
I guess I fit right in, but I would have to be day-to-day
i've just got a bad knee and ankle
id be an all star for them
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't be worse than Ollie
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
You guys see Jerry's comment about Francoeur today?
“Jerry Manuel told reporters that acquiring Jeff Francoeur may be the best thing to happen to the Mets this season.” — from Metsblog
I know it’s been a rough year, but that can’t possibly be true, can it?
There had to be a top-notch hot dog vendor or a new bat boy with promise they brought in right?
well in all fairness that really does sum up our season
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much Francoeur himself
as the fact that the organization feels it solved so many of its problems with this thoroughly mediocre grit machine. They really think they got a steal in this guy.
by Bieser's Balk on Oct 2, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no way...
a good ole boy like Francoeur would learn a wimpy language like French. Francoeur is way too masculine for that. Professor Reyes? Sure. But not the former football stud.
by Bieser's Balk on Oct 2, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
its probably one of the worst things to happen to the mets this season
one of the worst players in baseball is now on the mets
i think he's gonna be like the reverse nolan ryan.
5714. K’s, except against instead of for
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno, he's not exactly a reliable pitcher
he’d be an OK pinch hitter, but do we really need a Matt Stairs type who’s only good for pinch hitting?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
1) who isnt better than ollie
2) cringe
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
I’d rather have a roster spot for a bench guy taken up by someone who can play multiple positions, such as Felipe Lopez. I think he can play every position except center, catcher and pitcher.
And he’s a free agent…
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
owings could be a pitcher and a batter
how much value does he had (while pitching) as a hitter compared to the average hitter?
IDK
but how many guys do we have already who are #5 t ype pitchers?
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
depends, i think a few are FA at the end of season
so we could always let someone go, but i dont trust him even as a 5.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
nice swing
where were these at bats all season… the last few games he’s started to look a bit more alive again
See Major League and Major League II
you’ll be doing yourself a favor.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely not
even 2 dropped precipitously in entertainment value, 3 was horrific
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
on the topic of baseball related moves
anybody here seen Baseketball?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
its one of my favorite sports movies, if you can count it as such
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Field of Dreams
The Natural
Bull Durham
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Just not a movie – or baseball movie buff, I guess.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
I liked that movie too.
I’m not much of a movie buff at all, but have seen many of the baseball related ones.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh man i almost forgot the sandlot
thats a good one
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
which one is the movie where the guy coaches inner city kids and one gets shot and killed ?
that movie got to me. reminded me a lot of my days coaching in the inner city.
i know the movie you mean
i cant remember the name
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
my complaint with that movie
is that i cant take anything with keyanu reeves in it seriously
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not fair, im 25 and i've seen all of them numerous times
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha its ok, that is probably accurate
i just watch a lot of movies though. I think i keep blockbuster open around here singlehandedly
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
my son does the same.
in fact, just minutes ago he was on his way out the door to Blockbuster and his mom reminded him that there are still 2 movies he hasn’t seen.
haha, getting a bit ahead of himself
i’ve slowed down a bit at this point because there just arent many good movies coming out anymore these days.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I never saw the Natural
But have seen Field of Dreams and Bull Durham plenty of times too. And I’m 6 years younger than you
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
true....
also, Little Bid League was pretty lame.
except for the cowboy rides into town on friday joke
Bull Durham
is a perspective on life in the minors.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So, people still watching?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
nah, we're just hanging, waiting for Sunday.
I was going to go to see if I could get a shirt or a ball signed, but I figured it would bring me bad luck.
you'd tear your rotator cuff
holding the ball out
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
and then the mets would offer to handle your surgery
and you’d be dead within the hour
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the amputation
is on Tuesday
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
nah, they'd take your ankle off
they think’s its the rotator cuff
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Yeah
Because as bad as it’s been, I know it’s gonna be a long winter…
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i hate the offseason
football only takes care of one day per week
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
I don’t follow football so even worse for me.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah im not as into it as baseball
but it passes the time
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i would watch 24
but I NEED MORE TIME!!!
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
24 has been terrible the last 2 seasons
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
it's always been terrible....it's just that now we know what is going to happen.
Palmer decided to go work for Allstate, and boom !
Seasons 1 and 5 were awesome
2-4 were bleh and the last two were cringe worthy
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Hey I see Tatis is batiing .277
you know what I think? 3 year contract extension
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
we need to get football sabermetrics in the mainstream
there are some football sabermetric websites that i know of but i haven’t had much time to read a lot of it. the football analysis now is just heart, guts, and personal opinion. i read on footballoutsiders.com that the moves jim zorn did were actually good statistically, even though everyone thinks he’s an idiot. football sabermetrics aren’t as advanced as baseball and it is a lot harder (with an almost limitless amount of game states and there being more players interacting at once), but it would be interesting to know what’s actually happening.
Disagree completely
Sabermetrics is one of the reason I’ve come to love baseball so much more than other sports. Though I still love football.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
agreed, i just get frustrated when somebody says something totally incorrect
then when presented with the numbers attacks sabermetrics.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I've said some things that were incorrect, but I can always shut up when someone presents real data.
although I don’t really buy all of the SABR data, I can see where it has a lot of value for a GM.
i'll agree stats like UZR need work
but they’re decent starting points for a conversation usually
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR
is still the best we have available. We know your eyes deceive you and errors are useless on their own.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
oh im in no way saying UZR is not a useful stat
but its in its infancy.. they need to work out the algorithms a bit better still, but I advocate its use… just take it with a grain of salt
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying
That’s one of the reason they say 3 years of defensive data is equal to 1 of hitting.
I can’t wait until the stadiums have that system from the NYTimes article earlier this year.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
yeah....I just don't see blind reliance on pure numbers.
because players are people, not machines.
numbers help you make decisions, but can’t be everything.
the grission factor for each playler=1000
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
and kickers
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Football sabermetrics??
Egh.
I’m a sabermetrics guy, but I don’t need them to tell me Jim Zorn is a shitty head coach
What sites?
I’d love to read about it because even though I don’t know any of it, I have a feeling it backs up my theory that just because wide receiver A has 12 touchdowns and wide receiver B has 8, doesn’t automatically make A better, like so many think.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
i basically google searched football sabermetrics
and i got two good ones:
footballoutsiders.com
advancednflstats.com
yea imagine we still had livan too
it would cause a famine
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Redding has probably earned a shot at the 5 spot
this second half he’s been pretty solid
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and we may or may not have nieve, niece, and figgy as well
at least one of them should pan out to a serviceable bottom half of the rotation pitcher
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Santana, Lackey, Pel, Perez (stuck with him), Redding.
Is a serviceable staff.
depends on how he comes back from that nasty hamstring tear
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be glorious
but will never happen
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In what universe is Marquis a number two starter?
Wolf and Garland are both better than Marquis
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
well that lineup has a #1 and then 4 #3/#4 pitchers
there isnt really a 2 per se, but it balances out pretty well
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't want Halladay for the prospects he'll cost
and I’d rather pay Holliday over Lackey
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
right now we have:
santana, pelf, main, perez, neise, redding, figgy, nieve
we need 1 or 2 more starters. we should take the best deals on the f.a market to not waste money. i would hope for pinero and wolf (lackey would probably be too expensive if we are also adressing corner OF, 1B, and catcher)
well for a little while he was pausing at the top of his leg kick
and when he did that, he would pitch with much better control, but then he just stoped doing it and started throwing across his body again.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm no pro, but I did teach both my kids to pitch thru HS level, and what I see is that regardless of motion, he's just not a baseball person, period.
he has no baseball DNA.
probably had a poster of Valenzuela when he was young, and some idiot scout saw him throw hard and “bingo”. instant ball player.
add to that, the fact that Jerry is the manager, and it’s a recipe for disaster.
What did Livan do?
I missed something…
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I don’t know what that is but it doesn’t look appetizing to me….
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
damnit now im hungry
i gotta see if i have any food around the apartment
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again
I’m entertaining myself reading the whining on the Philly blogs.
They clinched Wed, they lost yesterday, their losing now.
They’ve got no BP, no reliable SP and a very anemic offense right now.
Go Rockies! Go Dodgers!
One plus on this season almost over
we don’t have to see that ugly inaugural patch next year on the unis – right?
Hopefully
it will be looking at him from the rear view mirror – as he’s leaving….
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi this is a shity team
i come to shed the last few tears.
I luv Frenchy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
i forgive frenchy for fraternizing earlier
with the asstros pitcher
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Francoeur deserves to be back based on his work with the Mets
Period.
There isn’t another decent option for RF, and it really wouldn’t be THAT bad to see if this is even close to real next year.
beggers can't be choosers
even saber-beggars.
is he ideal? No, but where do we get off expecting the ideal?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
sure, but you could say that about every single component of this team. The damn bullpen catchers probably suck
do you have a gm or management team capable of figuring that out?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
matt murton is better than frenchy
and was available for free. and we didn’t pick him up. that doesn’t make sense.
sure why not, he's an affordable option
and he looks like a calculated risk at this point instead of a wild risk
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont like pagan on a regular basis
best case scenario id put him in left, not right.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 2, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
As a bench player maybe
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
bring Tony Solaita out of retirement
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/birthplace.php?loc=American%20Samoa
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
we did have a American Samoa players in the Mets
Benny Agbayani and Chris Aguila
http://groundskeeper.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/09/tsunami_hits_american_samoa.html
There are several other players of Samoan decent that have made it to the Majors in recent years. Benny Agbayani (Mets, Rockies) Chris Aguila (Marlins and Mets) Matt Tuilasosopa (Mariners) Wes Littleton (Red Sox)…
via MURRAY COOK’S FIELD BLOG (MLBlogs)
1st triple
He’d have more if Jerry would have let him play more than once a week.
by SearchingForTheRealMetsFan on Oct 2, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
really?
i kind of wonder about you guys who think evans is some kind of real deal just cuz jerry doesn’t play him. Jerry might not know what he’s doing, but its a logical fallacy to arrive at the conclusion that evans is a major league quality player who deserves more playing time because of that.
I think the evans luv is a result of fans being under extreme duress. more likely its just reshuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
exactly
evans hasnt impressed at all in what we have seen of him, we have no reason to believe that hes going to be anything special
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
Yeah
It’s much more useful to play Cory Sullivan and Sheffield every day.
And Nick Evans has been given a lot of time to conclusively prove he sucks.
Just another in a long line of genius-level observations from Metsguy234
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
by GenJackRipper on Oct 2, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
my point is just
that i can’t get too excited about shuffling AAA or AAAA players around.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
he might be a possible right-handed side of a platoon
shouldn’t he have playing time vs. shef, sullivan
right handed platoon on another crappy team
i prefer to hope it doesn’t come to that
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
hey guys, sorry but i gotta run a little early
enjoy the rest of the game, I better not come back to bad news. See ya tomorrow.
trade proposal
Nick Evans for a stapler
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
may I add
it’s a Swingline. it’s also red 
"Solo homers usually come with no one on base." -Ralph Kiner
iiiiibelieve you have my stapler
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Had to step away for a few
Just reading comments about Evans.
Did you all read where they’re contemplating making him a catcher? Heard that yesterday.
I can’t figure out if they’re doing that b/c he really doesn’t have a position right now and that would be a way to get his bat in the lineup or…
They’re trying to increase his trade value.
they tried that with everyone else
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
bullpen catcher
they needed one
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
what, we're still playing?
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
wasn't it football time?
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
wow, this is wierd
i havn’t watched a met game in the longest time. It feels like april, but this time we know we suck
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
LOL
Phillies fans – who are losing yet again tonight:
- Our bullpen sucks. They can’t get anybody out.
- Bullpen is totally unreliable. Phils are done in the first round.
- We are lucky the Phils managed to string together two victories against the lowly Astros otherwise I am convinced we would of certainly collapsed like 1964
- Sorry but everyone who thinks they are repeating are nuts. They are not good enough this year. Now we will lose all of home adv. This is a horrible division this year. Lucky we play in it.
Done and out in the first round. Gives me a reason to watch and enjoy the post season.
Now if the Yankees can only tank as well, I’ll enjoy post season playoffs.
Ha!
We all know he’s about as far away from ‘Mr. October’ as there has ever been on that team. Here’s hoping he continues that trend.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies tanking would be so beautiful
However… am I crazy for thinking the Yankees will win the WS this year?
You're not crazy
but it is a depressing thought.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Phils fans agree with that:
‘If the team is exhausted whose fault is that? Charlie’s right? Does that mean he doesn’t properly rest the players during the season? The Yankees don’t have this problem, and right now the trophy is theirs unless one of the NL teams catches fire into the World Series’
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I work with dozens of Yankee fans and one Phillies fan.
If I had to choose my poison, I’d go Phillies, because that way more people are miserable like I have been all year.
and if the deciding game ends on a blown call by an ump, so much the better.
ah we don't want to hear the dynasty crap
like with the br*ves for all those years. I prefer they never string it together.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
exactly.....
one Phillies fan (and he’s a nice guy), I can live with….
50 Yankee fans talking smack, I can’t take.
anyone but the philmes or the spankees
is ok with me
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
The one thought that keeps buzzing through my mind is...
Why the hell couldn’t they do this either of the last 2 years?
Hey Murphy
Stop talking to Frenchy
Nothing can get by him; especially in a small room: Mike Francessa
YEAH
let’s hear it for meaningless games!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
how would you feel if the Mets were able to hit you?
pretty lousy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
He was yammering at someone
I just didn’t catch who….
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 2, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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