What is it going to take?
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
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When will the Mets learn?
I have been a Mets fan my entire life. I can remember back to the heady days of the last true Amazin' Mets team. This is a team who truely is in not only a World Series Championship drought, but a complete drought of talent. Sure we have Reyes,Wright, KRod and Johan, but it takes a lot more then that to win a division, let alone get to the big show in October and win it too.
Beltran,Delgado have both put up mediocre numbers since coming to Flushing, and thier frequent trips to the DL, one wonders how much more they have in thier tanks. The Mets essentially gave up on Pedro and what is he doing now? Going to the World Series with rival Philidelphia. The only plus was getting Billy Wagner off the shelf and moving him to Boston, but since Boston pulled a "one and out", Wagner is talking retirement. Makes you wonder if he's going to follow through or Brett Farve it, and change his mind in December and decide to make a comeback.
What was with trading Ryan Church to the Braves? and for Jeff Francouer? Only time will tell who got the better end of that deal.
Looking to the future, If Matt Halladay is within reach, GRAB HIM!!! The Mets need another solid bat in the line-up, and with the 4 Horsemen coming back next year, that being Reyes,Wright,KROD and Johan, and the free agent market, lets all hope that Omar earns his paycheck.
On a sidenote, If the Mets are looking to give Manuel the boot, I'll take the job for FAR LESS then you were paying him. Sure I've never managed anything but a Fantasy League team, but I won my League in my first year. Just food for thought.
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Maybe we can trade carlos Reyes and Jose Beltran for them.
That would be a huge grission upgrade.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 23, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
if you really want grission upgrade
we need to get omir eckstein and david santos
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They can't possibly have grission
One is obviously Latino and the other sounds like a Jewish/Muslim hybrid.
by Lunkwill Fook on Oct 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Beltran sucks
Asshole’s only been the best center fielder in baseball the past four, five years.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Beltran the BEST?
gimmie some of what your smokin’, cause I need to see it how your seeing it.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/05/22/five-things-you-may-not-know/
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved that post
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I stand corrected
He’s been the second best since 06
Beltran: 2006: 7.0 WAR, 2007: 4.9 WAR, 2008: 6.7 WAR, 2009: 2.9 WAR Total: 21.5 WAR
Sizemore: 2006: 7.5 WAR, 2007 5.8 WAR, 2008: 6.3 WAR, 2009: 2.2, Total: 21.8 WAR
And he’d have been the best if he didn’t get injured this year. I discounted 05 cause of Beltran was hurt/sucked, so if you look at 05 Sizemore had 5.3 WAR to Beltran’s 1.9.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Matt Halladay
is that like this generation’s Babe Ruth? Great pitcher AND great hitter? I’ll take him.
Also, you’re not gonna make many friends around here saying Beltran has put up mediocre numbers. You might wanna try PhillipsAvenue.com instead – also a good site if you’re into crazy interns.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
that are ugly as fuck.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
you may want to put on the flame retardant suit there...
What IS with that chruch for francoeur trade, I feel like we just sort of glossed over that topic around here without any real discussion into the matter. I say hire this guy as Omar’s replacement though, he’s got a keen eye for talent in CF, seeing that Beltran is clearly an overrated hack. And I miss Pedro too, maybe we should also re-sign Al Leiter and Steve Trachsel as well, I’m sure they’re younger than i remember them being and would have pushed us over the top this year.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bring back the 2001 Batting Average Leader, Desi Relaford
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 23, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd Take OMAR's Job
and produce before the contract was up. He clearly has an ear for names, but doesn’t have an eye for talent. I wouldn’t have taken ManRam, but I would have chased C.C. or Burnett last season to add an arm to the rotation, knowing that they weren’t getting Pedro back in a Mets uniform this year. Getting KRod was a good idea, if he had some offense to back him up. Reyes and Wright are the only real offensive weapons the Mets have on thier roster spun around a bunch of guys that either couldn’t catch on elsewhere or got a couple years left in thier tank. I’d rather see them bring back Doc one more time and see if he has any of his magic left before i’d concider Trachsel as anything more then a hot dog vendor, and Leiter, HA, you better come up with someone else, why not give Rocket or David Wells one more Farewell Tour?
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
how does offensive support affect closers AT ALL?
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
it apparently causes their WHIP to increase every season they've been in the majors
causes FIP to balloon, and drops your WAR to just above replacement level, and causes your strikeout totals to decline every year since long before you were on the team as well. Its clear closing for the Mets not only made him worse this year, but made him steadily get worse every year before he even played for them until he reached this point. Beware players, if you intend to play for the mets in 5 years, your stats are gonna start dropping right now!
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
How does offense help closers?
Did you seriously ask that question, or are you trying to prove how dumb you are. A closer is brought in when the WINNING team has the lead. How many times did the Mets lose because thier lead wasnt strong enough? The closer can only do so much.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 24, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
thats if you measure them based on saves
if you look at his body of work in the games he did come in to save it was unimpressive, and thats a generous assessment.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
KROD = DUD?
is that what your saying. That KRod is a bust after one season with the Amazin’s. I don’t think you can really place that tag on him…yet.
And for all of you who think I’m a traitor for bustin down Beltran, talk to the NY tattoo on my right forearm in the Mets colors. When the season is over, and everyone is hanging thier jerseys,hats and necklace/charm combos up til next season, I wear the colors proudly year round. Wanna see a pic of it, I’ll post it tonight
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 24, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
im not placing the dud tag on him
but there have been warning signs he’s been steadily declining in ability to consistently get outs for years… its something that they should keep an eye on. And we’re not saying you’re not a mets fan for not liking beltran, we’re saying there is absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that beltran has been medicore since coming to the mets. Its just a nonsensical statement.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran's #'s
I may have misspoke when I said “Since he came to the Mets” when its really only been the last 2 seasons. Delgado too. Injuries abound between them, thier production hasn’t been that great, and doesn’t meet the level of production they showed early on in thier tenure.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 24, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the injuries are rightfully a concern
but in the time they played they put up more than adequate numbers most of the time.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Delgado's overall numbers are good,
but his long streaks of white hot and ice cold were frustrating to say the least.
no doubt
i wouldnt have argued the delgado point as much, when he’s hot, he’s ridiculous, and when he’s cold hes terrible, but beltran has been consistent
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran was a 6.7 WAR player in 2008, and he had a .915 OPS this season.
I hardly see the massive dissappointment, I see one of the top players in baseball looking at those numbers. Some regression from Delgado was clearly expected in the last year of his contract. He was a 2.9 WAR player in 2008, equalling the best of his Mets career. There was no reasonable way to expect those two to miss the amount of time they did. You’re allowing the dissappointment of 2009 to affect how you remember 2008, but the reality is that Delgado was decent in 2008, and Beltran was an elite player.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Beltran was actually amazing last year.
So, uh, yeah.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Yeah, mediocre is a very long stretch.
Except for the bad wheels and that damn curveball, he’s been a stud.
Frankie was a bad signing because of the money.
He’s declining, no doubt and will have a 17.5 million dollar option going into 2012 unless he gets hurt. The only way he a closer could be worth 17.5 million is if he pitches 85 perfect innings (pretty much) and that is not happening.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
I have a deep, involuntary love for Frankie
and I don’t even know why, maybe it’s the way he throws himself off the mound. But even I can see that he’s iffy. I still like him as my closer, but I’m prepared to see some blown saves.
And as for Beltran, any mets fan who doesn’t thank their stars that they get to watch him play every day is not any kind of real baseball fan, no matter their tattoos. He is one of the great players of his generation, even putting aside the utter beauty and gracefulness of his play.
He does get injured, but I don’t think most fans begin to understand or appreciate how often he plays hurt (and this is REAL grission) and still is the best centeerfielder in baseball.
I never liked him while he was with the Angels because of that
Since he came to the Mets, though, something’s changed, and I agree. His…flopping off the mound is great.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 24, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing has changed, really
He’s still a declining pitcher, albeit better paid now.
ain't had enough...
You do know saves don't tell you anything about how well a closer pitches, right?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
But the only thing offensive support would affect is the amount of save chances!
When a closer goes out for a save, THERE IS NOTHING THE OFFENSE CAN DO ANYMORE. Jesus, man. It’s never the offense’s fault that a closer blows a lead.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
closers are paid to "save" games when there's a one run lead
So, yeah, offense has nothing to do with it.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Come to think of it,
a better offense might actually hurt a closer’s performance. If we’re scoring more runs, there’s probably fewer 1-3 run leads to protect, which means fewer save chances. Which means Frankie finishes fewer games.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have taken Manny either...
…but another arm (or two) was essential. With the starting rotation so uncertain adding Putz was a ridiculous move. There’s no way the Mets were ever going to pick up his 8.6 mil option for 2010, so it was always a one year deal. And it was for a setup guy when a 200 inning arm was essential, an arm for which we could used the five chips we spewed on the Putz deal. Ridiculous.
I’m constantly reminded these days that Theo has been in Boston for about the same amount of time that Omar has been in New York.
by SeanSchirmer on Oct 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and this man wants to audition for the Mets GM job
I think I’d rather have Omar.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn't have signed Manny??? Rewmember writing this?
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/1/15/725475/lets-get-manny
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose its better than this though...
http://profile.adultfriendfinder.com/p/member.cgi?fromPage=intgrps&mid=50490455_63697
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Beltran sucks
he’s only been worth 23.5 WAR since signing. What a dick.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Banhammer?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
A little early don't ya think?
Can’t ban someone for one false statement, gotta give people chances.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
agreed, no banhammer yet
maybe they were just unfamiliar with the format of this page.. I’m sure by the time we’re done with comments here our friend Big John will have a better idea of the type of discourse appropriate for a fanpost.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Let the games begin, guys.
This is the first of many. It’s pretty tame, but don’t worry. We’ll get our papermen soon enough.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Dude has bought a one-way ticket to Scottyville.
And yes, I said “Dude.”
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
What ever happened to that "This guy is a crazy troll" tag?
I was looking for it in expectation.
And what's the deal with airline food?
Amirite?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 23, 2009 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So what's the deal with politics?
I don’t get it. Am I right people?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
And what's up with those teevee dinners?
The other night I was eating one, lightning struck the house and the peach cobbler went out!
Cobbler!
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is BigJohninFla "the wolfman"
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
BigJohninFla is a perfect name for the author of this post.
Call Joe Benigno, I’m sure you two would hit it off.
"It's like the old phrase goes.....The balls in your court now Mr.Church, so you take that ball, you dribble it up the court and....................................... get a layup"
- Keith Hernandez
this post has been up for almost 36 hours
Where is the SiteBot?
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Good question.
Maybe SiteBot was suspended after having an affair with Brooke Hundley?
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 24, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe he had an affair with Steve Phillips.
That would be unacceptable.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
The Best Flushing Could Get
No, Maybe I won’t make a lot of friends talking trash about Beltran. But I Dont Care. That’s not what I am here for. If you are the experts ( god help us) then, Why don’t you tell the rest of us what is wrong with the Mets?
Is it that the over-paid little leaguers are throwing tantrums and not playing to thier full potential? Is it that they see thier new home, CitiField, being refered to as ShittyField in 5 years when they are still sucking hind-tit to Philidelphia and Atlanta (believe me, there is no worries about Washington and The Marlins, Huizenga doesn’t own the team anymore, so no more bought WS titles out of Miami)
Anyway you look at it, this team has choked every season since 2000 when the BANKEES handed them thier ass, or would you rather look more recently to when Philidelphia spanked them a few years back? Answer this one, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO BRING THIS TEAM BACK TO THE GLORY OF A WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP??
You know the Mets pretty much owned the Phillies last year head to head,
and lost three or four of those match ups because of the horrific bullpen.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
A lot of things would
BRING THIS TEAM BACK TO THE GLORY OF A WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP??
Not resigning Francoeur. Signing Holliday and Lackey. Getting a competent first baseman for one year before Ike Davis comes up. And you using less caps.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If only he had said
“WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO BRING THIS TEAM BACK TO THE GLORY OF A WORLD SERIES CHAMPTIONSHIP”
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t you tell the rest of us what is wrong with the Mets?
Terrible injuries. Bad players playing too often. A shaky starting rotation. That about sums it up…..
Is it that the over-paid little leaguers are throwing tantrums and not playing to thier full potential?
No.
Is it that they see thier new home, CitiField, being refered to as ShittyField in 5 years when they are still sucking hind-tit to Philidelphia and Atlanta (believe me, there is no worries about Washington and The Marlins, Huizenga doesn’t own the team anymore, so no more bought WS titles out of Miami)
I’ve got Yankee fan and Phillies fan friends of mine who already call it Shitty Field. Also, Josh Beckett and the 2003 Marlins say hi. Also, saying that the Nats will be terrible in 5 years is probably like going back to 2003 and saying the Rays will be terrible in 5 years. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Anyway you look at it, this team has choked every season since 2000 when the BANKEES handed them thier ass, or would you rather look more recently to when Philidelphia spanked them a few years back?
Every year? The 2004 Mets were choke artists?
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO BRING THIS TEAM BACK TO THE GLORY OF A WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP??
A lineup with good power. A starting rotation with no real weak spots. A tremendous bullpen. That seems to be a common feature of teams like the 2002 Angels, 2005 White Sox, and 2008 Phillies.
There, I’ve answered your questions. Now please never post again.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 25, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All Very Good Answers
and i agree with all except the last one, because it’s total bullshit. You gave me exactly what I was looking for, someone who shares the same views as me. Your right on all your points, and 2004, was St Louis and Boston. Mets made it as far as NLDS and went home. The 2000 Series was the last time they got to the Big Show and got sent home as 2nd best.
I would be willing to part with my Pedro and my Wagner signed balls if they make it to the world series in 2010, and my 86 WS Team Ball if they win it.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2004 Mets didn't make the NLDS. They weren't even close.
They were 71-91. Ironically that season led them to open up their checkbooks for the Beltran signing you are criticizing.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
they were one game better than this group of losers
maybe we’ll sign this year’s Beltran
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Solving The Amazin's Problems
neither of you have more then a 3rd grade education do you? A simple question, and those are the answers you give. DEE DEE DEE
and yet here you are, the educated one
quoting Carlos Mencia…
way to prove your point, man.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
And you said neither
so which TWO of us were you talking to?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
ohhh i hope it was me
it would be hilarious for him to call me out on my education level!
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys should all thank god i didnt'
they have a terrible record when I attend, even by mets standards.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean they get negative wins?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
flagged
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The Poll Tells It All
with 17 people agreeing with me, I can’t be too far off. If Omar doesn’t dive deep into the free agent pool, we’ll continue to go to the World Series, as spectators. From our keyboards to Omar’s eyes, GO DEEP, get the talent that the Mets need, and lets take the rightful place as Champions that the Mets should be in, not packing thier lockers and going home to watch the World Series on the TV’s that our hard earned dollars bought them.
If your options are keep the exact same team or pick up free agents of course the choice is obvious
is it any surprise the poll turned out that way given the way it was worded?
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 24, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be the worst poll ever.
There’s honestly only one option in that poll, nobody is going to choose not to try to fix the Mets issues. Next time you may want to try presenting several options that may actually appeal to the readers, you may actually see more than one option recieving votes.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could undo my vote now, just because, having gotten to the bottom of this thread...
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 24, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to vote for
The Site Bot should ban this user.
You don't cheer for the Mets. You drink for the Mets.
I lobby for Site Bot to ban this user
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Your Sure of that?
becuase it didn’t seem like the Mets were in it since Reyes made the DL. It seemed like they were just going through the motions. By the All-Star break, 3 of thier top tier players ( Delgado,Beltran and Reyes) we’re either sparsely playing or on the DL. Yes, the bullpen has been the achilles heel of the team for quite some time. Name one closer for the Mets, other then Wagner or Franco who was worth thier contract? And don’t say Orosco, yes he was good, but in terms of today’s standard, he would have been another mid-level closer. KRod has potential to regain the kind of production he had with the Angels, but he alone will not be the salvation of this team.
It is time for Omar to step up and spend some money on this team. So what if it pushes the payroll over 300mil, with a quality team on the field, the fan’s will fill the house. " If you build it, ( in this case the team) they will come.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if you take out wagner and franco
the mets have had only 2 other closers in the last couple decades when you take away wagner and franco. Those are benitez, and looper, and nobody is going to say they were great for sure. but just because they were underwhelming doesnt mean k-rod is worth the contract they gave him. He has declined every season in the big leagues, and while i’d love to see him improve, there is nothing to indicate he’ll suddenly get his velocity and control back.
And to argue a team is going through the motions because its players end up on the DL is just silly. Its not like they decided to go on vacation, 2 of the 3 you mentioned ended up having surgery of some sort. I agree expenditures this offseason are vital, but its not because our players just arent trying hard enough. Its because our depth is woefully bad, and we took too many gambles with our pitching rotation.
i don’t think the bullpen specifically is our problem so much as the fact we have to go to it way too early in games. Pitchers rarely made it through the 6th this year, and if you lean that hard on any bullpen it’ll crack a bit.
We need a temporary 1b and a left fielder, add a decent pitcher and we’re in good shape. Its not like we need to buy a whole new team here.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 25, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Again
atleast on the need of a LF and some decent pitching. As for a temp 1B, I believe it’s time to hand Delgado his walker and send him off into the sunset, or perhaps a trade is in order, Carl Crawford would make a good trade, and we could kill 2 birds with one stone if we got Zobrist from the Rays. He’s a good utility man and can play inf or Of positions, not to mention his numbers were decent( h/ab-149/501 R-91 HR-27 RBI-91 SB-17 .297BA)
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist was one of, if not the best position player in baseball this year,
And you want him as a utility man? They aren’t trading Zobrist.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Bring in Ben
if you tossed Delgado and Putz at them, they’d send you thier mother. The Loser Rays are one hit wonders, sure they made it to the WS last season, but where are they this year? Sucking hind tit to both NY and Bos. They got lucky last season, and for all those who thought they had finally gotten thier act together and we’re going to be a legit contender, guess what…YOUR WRONG. Namoli/Silverstein " meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
This guy isnt going to spend money like the top 10 teams will, that being LAD,SF,AZ,CO,NYY,PHI,CHISox,Atl and Sea.
These teams will continue to appear in the post season because thier owners are willing to commit money to improving thier teams by getting the talent that will get them to a WS. Wake up and smell whats cooking in the league, there are legit contender-makers out there this off-season, grab some before they’re all gone and your stuck with another losing season.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's best to just stop responding to this bro
by James Kannengieser on Oct 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I had already typed out my response though
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
yeah you caught me just before i sent one
i’ll let this one die
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
First and foremost, for someone who pokes fun at othe people's intelligence,
you spelled “thier” wrong, you used “YOUR” when you were supposed to use “you’re.” Sure, it’s nitpicking and I’ve made spelling/grammatical errors myself plenty of times, but not after I’ve touted my superior intelligence.
Now, you’re an idiot. Sorry to be harsh, but you’re an idiot. We don’t have Putz anymore unless we pick up his 8 million dollar option, and we don’t have Delgado, so how exactly are we going to trade them? Also, why would the Rays trade a player still under their control for another two years, I believe, who came off a great year and is still young. Who is going to play second for them next year if not Zobrist? Hell, even if we could trade Delgado and Putz, why would they trade a young star for two fading veterans who will cost four times as much as Zobrist, that goes against your logic of them not spending. Please, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
its the fuckin internet
and are any of us getting paid for blogging on this site? No, we’re doing it to exercise our free speech. I could fucking care less about grammar when its on the internet, Professor. I’m sure that you have a phD in Astrophysics, so change your name to hawking.
As for thier trading for better, it was a fucking example. GET IT? when you put together a scenario, in this case, to show what it would take to get the job done, nothing more. The Mets, my beloved Mets, will continue to pack thier lockers at the end of the season and go to the WS as spectators unless something is done by the front office.
Instead of talking shit about one another. How about we get back on task and discuss what we all think the actions of the GM should be. Who should they chase in FA? who should they avoid?
If anyone has anything interesting or intelligent to say on those 2 points, speak, but if your just going to try and run down a first timer, then sit back and shut the fuck up, and let the adults talk.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets get Matt Halladay...
I’m sure he’d help if he exists.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Be realistic, though.
Cut out the attitude, work on the grammar, and sure, we’ll discuss anything you want. But saying that we’re idiots because people agreed with your favorite choice of one of the worst and most one-sided polls of all time?…that’s not a good first impression, bro.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
It may have been an example,
but it was a lousy one. There’s about a million reasons the Rays wouldn’t do a Zobrist for Delgado/Putz trade, and only one they would (hint: it involves temporary insanity). We could post wild, impossible speculative trades and free agent signings, but it would be a stupid and pointless waste of our time. Instead, we should be thinking about realistic ways the Mets can improve this off-season.
BTW, you really should take a look at the Community Guidelines and the Commenting Guidelines. In particular, the parts about not insulting other posters and using proper grammar. Yeah, you can type ‘thier’ all you want, but it just makes you look foolish.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry James, I have an inability to step away from an argument.
Anyway, BigJohn, for someone who apparently claims to have at least a fourth grade education, I’ve counted at least 20 times you’ve misspelled “thier.” Like dude, it’s okay once or twice, but jesus, when you’re claiming to be smarter than everyone else, at least get the simple ones right.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
hey dude, seriously.
I before E, did you even graduate? MORON
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
bet ya thought i didnt know that
personally I think that grammer is over-rated….lol
" laugh, and the world laughs with you, cry, and the world thinks your a pussy"
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You think the Rays would trade Zobrist and Crawford for Delgado and Putz (two players we hopefully won’t control after this season)??
it was only a hypothetical
I think Omar should work out the Wilson Valdez for Albert Pujols trade first
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
sigh.....
The Loser Rays are one hit wonders, sure they made it to the WS last season, but where are they this year? Sucking hind tit to both NY and Bos. They got lucky last season, and for all those who thought they had finally gotten thier act together and we’re going to be a legit contender, guess what…YOUR WRONG.
Yes, an 86-76 pythag this year after a 92-70 pythag in 2008 is a real return to the days of Steve Cox and Tanyon Sturtze. Your (sic) aware that the AL East can send, at most, 2 teams to playoffs, so one of the trio of Boston, New York, and Tampa Bay is going to be left out each year, right?
But by all means, give Andrew Friedman a call and see if he’ll deal some of his core players for the Mets flotsam.
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 27, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the season any way you'd like,
this poll is still a two option no brainer. If you want to gather opinions, offer some options.
"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green
by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Chip Caray and Steve Phillips both want to go deep.
Seriously though, that’s a terrible poll. Fix the Mets problems, or don’t? Uh…fix them. Obviously. It’s just that your methods and reasoning are puke-worthy.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
On a completey unrelated note,
what’s with white people and getting a team’s logo tattooed on themselves?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Hey!
I’m white, and all I have are two music-related tattoos, this other thing, a derogatory Chinese word for white people and a cat wearing a thong. No team logos.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm white too
I just find it weird that I never see anyone not white with a tattoo of a logo.
And let me guess, this is one of your tattoos, and this is the other.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Nope.
This is the main music one:
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TQmtZsLrDI8/SijW4is7JpI/AAAAAAAAAKc/JC5Wipz3oJs/s1600-h/HansonTattoo.jpg
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Only tattoo I have is artistic, and I'm white
MC Escher ….
You have "crazy stairs" tattooed on you?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
No its a Moebius strip in the shape of a trefoil
Don’t have a pic of the actual tattoo, but here is a pic of the desing it follows
Is that one of those impossible object things?
Sure looks like it
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
PRIDE
If you want to show pride in something, you wear it where everyone around you can see it.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This just might be my masterpiece
by James Kannengieser on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
thats where I left the mushroom print, on your forehead. Keith’s Moustache was a fuckin joke, just like you. Ripped right off a 70’s porn-stars face. Even to this day, he still has it ( check out the hair color commercials he’s done) and it still looks stupid.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yes i agree my tag on these boards is a joke
the moustache of keith hernandez is in fact unable to operate a keyboard. I figured most posters would be aware of the fact that facial hair can’t operate a computer. I apologize for any confusion or distress i may have caused you with my moniker. And a mushroom print you left on my forehead… is that what that was? it was so small i thought it was just a pimple or something. Live and learn.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 27, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, keith hernandez's moustache was a total joke.
yep, it wasn’t iconic or anything.
you don’t look like a moron or anything.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Why not just wear a Mets shirt or hat once and awhile?
The team logo tattoo screams douchebag.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
Douchebag?
If your a real Mets fan, then you’d actually think the ink was a good thing, something to truely represent from 1200+ miles away, in an area where the BANKEES are more well known then pretty much any of the other 31, including the hometown team, the Rays. I see more Yankee gear being flaunted then anything else, and I got it to show my Mets pride. You fuckin moron, go back to watching porno’s and eating cheetoes and wondering why that 3 pinkie you think is your cock is orange.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Also flagged.
Stay classy, Big John.
by BobbyV_Incognito on Oct 27, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I lobby for Site Bot to ban BigJohninFla
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, you really have no idea do you
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheetos and Porno is always a winning combination.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
it's what Shane Victorino does
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
by the way, there are only 30 teams in MLB, not 32.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
BigJohninFla rivals Centerpede 1o1
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
oh, no.
Centerpede is pretty much legendary. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there.
I’d put him more in "the_wolfman"’s category.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Did
anyone figure out if Scott R in the Non-tender candidate thread was actually scotty reborn or just a regular messin with us?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Oct 25, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew that tattoo looked familiar
Another famous FanPoster has similar ink:
by James Kannengieser on Oct 25, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
he's returned
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that was the first thing I thought of
but I’m pretty sure it’s not the same guy – the tats are facing different directions on the arm
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
His ink
actually looks better then mine in that pic on his profile. Ofcourse thats probably all vaseline’d up too.
by BigJohnInFla on Oct 27, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 26, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
FireJerryNow?
it could be a lot worse. When they brought in Willie Randolph to manage the team I only thought of 2 things, he’s going to bring Bill Buckner in as Fielding Coach and Mitch Williams in as Pitching Coach ( that would have been atleast comical to watch)
yes, I would like the Mets to FireJerrynow
stop criticizing my screen name, BigJohninFla.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure this tatoo isn't a fake?
Cause I’m pretty sure I saw the same thing on google images
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
The thread, The
If there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
It's a MAAAAAAAAAAAAADD HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUSE!!!!!!
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
So let me summarize, for those who don't have time to read it all
Carlos Beltran sucks, the Mets shouldn’t tread water, and none of us are real fans b/c we don’t have Mets tattoos.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
you forgot something about cheetos and pornography being a perfect match.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 27, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
it was a winning combination
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for summing everything up for me
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget the trade proposals
Luis Castillo and Fernando Tatis for Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford, David Price, and Matt Garza. The LOSER RAYS will never win with the guys they have, they need to make a change!
Somehow, a chain of events unfolded that put Steve Phillips in a professional broadcast booth Sunday night so he could rip Carlos Beltran. Try to explain that in any other terms.
by Greenpoint Ian on Oct 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, I seriously lobby for this thread to end
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
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