Dodgers = Mets ?

I found this in Jon Heyman's article, and I thought it might apply to the Mets. What does everyone think ?.

" Here are some things the Dodgers need to do:

1. Time to toughen up. It won't be easy to match the Phillies in this area. "We've got a bunch of nice guys in here,'' one Dodger said. "Those guys over there, they are tough. (Shane) Victorino is a tough SOB. And (Chase) Utley, he drops a knee whenever the runner comes in at second. When Larry Bowa managed those guys he warned (Utley) that guys would get mad if he drops a knee on (baserunners), and Utley told him, "I don't give a ----.'' About the Phillies, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said, "They're a tough club, not just wins and losses but how they approach the game. They play it hard, and they play it that way all the time. They play with a relentlessness, and they absolutely refuse to be beat.'' Using the Phillies as a measuring stick, the young Dodgers still have a little work to do. One young Dodgers star made it a point before every game to seek out Peter Gammons with the intention of high-fiving him. The Phillies players don't suck up to anyone. "

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Vic Torino is a dickish little pissant

and if having dickish little pissants on my team is what it takes to win, I’d rather be a loser.

by SuperT on Oct 23, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

It’s Shane Victorino

by JimmyK on Oct 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Phillies... measuring stick?

Love the sound of that!

by JimmyK on Oct 23, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

the Dodgers suck

I mean, even the Mets swept them out of the playoffs this half-decade.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Oct 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions

I think Jon Heyman is a jagov

and I can’t believe people still eat this stuff up. If Broxton doesn’t blow the save in Game 3, the series is tied 2-2 and the Dodgers have a great shot at going to the World Series. Stuff happens, it’s not all tied to character and fortitude.

by James Kannengieser on Oct 23, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

I think what they should pay more attention to is the dodgers record in the second half

If i’m not mistaken, they were below or right around a 0.500 team after all star break but their abnormally high record before the break got them to the playoffs. I think we can chalk up the dodgers loss to regression to their mean productivity and not some imaginary toughness factor.

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

43-39 after ASB if i count correctly

or an 0.524 win percentage. This is a pretty middle of the road win percentage to have for the second half of the season. Hardly what you expect from a playoff team in the second half.

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I would have taken 43-39 from the Mets all year long.

by fxcarden on Oct 23, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions

me too, but it still wouldnt have gotten us to the playoffs

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

true, but the Omar would have been able to say.....

you know what I’m sayin’….I dont’ regret our record…I mean….I regret that we didn’t win the division…..you know what I’m sayin’……I am glad we didn’t trade for Cliff Lee…..but…..I regret that we didn’t trade for Cliff Lee…..

by fxcarden on Oct 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions

* but then

by fxcarden on Oct 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions

i know what you're saying

i lobby omar for fewer sentence fragments next year.

by KeithsMoustache on Oct 23, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions

No

I think what the Mets need is to have better players. They could throw Chuck Liddell and Mike Tyson out there and it’d do wonders for their toughness, but it wouldn’t make them better at baseball.

by JoshNY on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions

Better players = tougher players ?.

No ?

Can Mike Tyson pitch in wee-leaf ?.

by fxcarden on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, if better=tougher

than we don’t really need to concern ourselves with our stars.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

This article sucks.

I’m sorry, fxcarden, in general you’re a good poster, but recognizing this article as anything other than “Jon Heyman being moronic as per usual” is a characteristic generally reserved for the Scotty’s of the world.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks for the "good poster" compliment.

For the record, I don’t really think any article by Heyman is ever “good”. This particular section of this article was somewhat provoking to me, so I wanted to share with my buds here, just to see where everyone stood.

I think it is sagfe to say most of us are on the same page.

by fxcarden on Oct 24, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Ok, fair enough.

My opinion, just to restate, is that any sportswriter that thinks a team loses because of a lack of mental toughness should go stick their hand in a compacter.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Oct 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Uh Oh

The Phillies have grit. Bah, generally speaking, I can understand and sympathize the want of players that are “hardcore”, who make no bones about not being friends with players on the other team, not personally liking- as much as professional players can not like each other, personally- players on the other team, getting dirty, and those kinds of things, but that aspect of the game has gotten blown way out of proportion. The Philles win because they have good players who put up good years, not because Victorino and Utley are assholes. Albert Pujols is, arguably, the best player in the game right now. Apparently, he’s a genuinely nice guy. Assholishness =/= greatness.

"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"

by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 23, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions