Pedro Applesauce - Wright is one of league's worst fielders, Mets should avoid Vlad, Pedro to start game 2
by Joe Budd on Oct 27, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
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Only one more day until the non-Met baseball world is dead to me.
Meet the Mets
The worst series in the world for Mets fans is getting a fair amount of press around the area and in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Inquirer seems to think that Met fans will root for the Phillies.
Jenrry Mejia had his strongest outing of the AFL season to date yesterday.
Congratulations to David Wright for being one of Hardball Times' worst fielders of the year.
Ed Ryan at Mets Fever argues that the Mets would compound the mistaken non-signing of Vladimir Guerrero by bringing him in for 2010.
Around the NL East
The Phillies are going with Pedro Martinez for game 2 of the World Series. Remember when the Mets couldn't go to Pedro in the postseason?
Which city is better? The New York Post definitely made its case today. Phillies Nation has its own argument. Ted Berg finds the whole genre bemusing.
Around MLB
Bud Selig is happy about Mark McGwire's return to baseball. An FBI agent associated with the steroid investigation is not.
Mariners pitching coordinator and former Met pitching coach Dave Wallace is moving on to a position with the Braves.
All this talk about what Angels baseball is and not much to actually define it.
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did you notice that Beltran was +15 and pretty high up the list after only half a season? Still the best, Voltron!
by deadspy3 on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't tell BigJoninFla
Oh, the butcher and the baker and the people on the street: wheredotheygo?!?!?
by CharlieH on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Points
The Mets fans rooting for the Phillies article? What a load of bullcrap. They get one lone fan, who has some pretty questionable opinions to begin with (“I think we’re all pulling for the Phillies.”- No we’re not. Most of us are saying the exact opposite. “There was confusion – they so badly needed pitching, how come they didn’t try to bring [Pedro Martinez] back?”- No, we didn’t need him getting injured and sucking more of our money away). Basically, all I got from that article is some kind of twisted, pseudo-sexual domination type thing, with the collective Phillies ego getting a quick little “service” from a random person that they label “Mets fans”.
On Vlad? Looks like he just needs to stay in the AL as a DH from now on.
Loved that Post article. “Their fans are second-rate & so is their city.” Best quote ever. It’s all so true, though. So many Philly fans from Philadelphia seem to really have this crazy mentality, like a little brother has when trying to make himself seem cooler/better than his older brother. There are certain “recognized” global cities out there in the world, and New York is one, whereas Philly is not one. In their article, they give the edge to the Liberty Bell, as opposed to the Statue of Liberty? That’s what I’m taking about. How can anyone in their right mind justify that? Or Cheese Steaks, as opposed to Pizza? Even some of the people from Philly who commented on that article are questioning the author, on various points of “evidence”.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Berg gives a pretty good beat-down to the idea of the cheesesteak being some sort of speciality
It ain’t rocket science to cook up some thin cut steak, add some cheese whiz and put it all on good bread. It is very dang hard to make a decent pizza.
"He's definitely mixing it into his repertoire. That's French for 'repertoire' " - Keith Hernandez
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Oct 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's silly
it’s hard to make any simple food REALLY good.
by letsgocyclones on Oct 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who loves both a good cheesesteak and a good pizza
and has lived in both NY and (near)Philly and now lives in neither, I can attest that it’s much harder to find a good pizza than a good cheesesteak. The guy in the article is right, it’s all about the roll, but there are multiple places down here in DC that import Amoroso’s rolls, and they taste just as good as if you got it on Market Street. There’s only one pizza place within 10 miles of me that even serves a decent imitation of NY Pizza, but it’s nowhere near as good. It’s funny, the longer I go without going home the more I talk myself into it being really good, and then I go home and get real pizza and it blows it away.
Also, very underrated, but NY is also the only place where it’s possible to get good bagels.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
As a former New Yorker, there are two food items that are impossible to find that match their NYC quality: pizza and bagels. In fact, I just has a slice of pizza that was about as good as I’ve had in DC, and yet it was skinny, watery, and $3! And while I generally prefer the Philly brand of cheesesteak, it’s a lot easier to find a good cheesesteak outside of Philly than a good slice of pizza outside of New York.
by dcmetsfan on Oct 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's something I still don't understand
Mind you, I’ve never lived outside the city, and the longest I’ve spent elsewhere was about two weeks in Myrtle Beach, S.C., but why is it so hard to find good pizza and bagels elsewhere? I’ve heard it’s the water, but it just can’t be THAT simple.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've heard as well
Not sure if there’s any truth to it, but I’ve always heard that it’s the water that makes the difference. But I think it just comes down to taste, and perhaps certain regions never developed the taste for pizza and bagels made the way that we (current and former) New Yorkers like them. I’m not sure if that is really the reason, but there’s no accounting for taste. I mean I know someone who actually likes Dominoes and thinks its better than NYC pizza. And for that matter, why on Earth are there even Dominoes and Pizza Huts in New York? (Don’t get me started on the Olive Garden in Times Square).
by dcmetsfan on Oct 27, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always wondered the same thing
I don’t know if I should be ashamed or anything, but I’ve never actually eaten at Dominoes before. I have had Pizza Hut, the last time was the day before I started Junior High School, so that would be in 1997, over ten years ago. I wanted stuffed crust pizza as my “special dinner” before school started.
I’ve never been to Olive Garden, either. Those bread sticks look og-so-good, though. The rest of the menu…? Not so much…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bread sticks are good
In fact, that’s pretty much the only thing worth eating there. Actually, it’s not so awful, but why on Earth would anyone travel to New York and choose that place to eat?
The first time I had Dominoes was during the first week of college. It was the first time I ever had any pizza outside of New York, and needless to say I was much chagrined to discover what I was in for. Of course still gained 20 pounds eating the stuff because it was the only outside food vendor that accepted my school’s card for payment.
by dcmetsfan on Oct 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the water, and the population
Has any other area had such a huge influx of Italian and Jewish immigrants? Obviously, they both know their food.
We've got ourselves a ball club, the Mets of New York town!
by kingcritical on Oct 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Food dectives did a segment on this
They found that a panel of tasters preferred the pizza made with NYC tap water.
by Reg Dunlop on Oct 27, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we agree
that it isn’t the quality of the “PHILLY BEATS NYC, BRO!” argument that’s obnoxious and embarrassing, but rather the strident, petulant tone?
can we please avoid being guilty of the same?
by letsgocyclones on Oct 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm from your comments
I’m beginning to think you’re a PHILLY SYMPATHIZER.
by Sam Page on Oct 27, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
The House Un-Amazin’ Activities Committee is gonna come down hard on me.
Not at all, actually. But funny how the same fans who (rightfully) avoid drawing conclusions from anecdotal baseball evidence convince themselves that the city of Philadelphia is a den of iniquity where no honest, hardworking people live or watch baseball. this wouldn’t be so bad except that they blather noisily about it and it feels like i’m listening a call in show on the FAN. i come here to avoid that.
by letsgocyclones on Oct 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUAAC
That’s the same sound our season was making sometime around June and July, when everyone started dropping like flies…
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of my friends live in Philadelphia
so I have hard evidence of how awful of a place it is.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Philadelphia is a den of iniquity where no honest, hardoworking people live or watch baseball.
I don’t see where you’re going with this.
by Sam Page on Oct 27, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe someone can develop some metrics
insights above replacement fan
weighted “on point” average
racial slurs per 9 innings
slugging percentage (try to keep this low)
by letsgocyclones on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chugging percentage
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
The best pizza in the country is in/around New Haven, CT.
by Reg Dunlop on Oct 27, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard that
pizza is better NW of NY!?
by deadspy3 on Oct 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mashed potato pizza at "Bar" in New Haven
Delicious. But a once-a-year type thing.
by James Kannengieser on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
I’ve actually been there and had that and I’ve only been to New Haven twice in my life.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Philly would have been far better off just ignoring the NY Post and it’s articles and comparisons today. This Phillies Nation rebuttal is just weak.
by MetsFan4Decades on Oct 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see the Its Always Sunny In Phili episode last week about when they won the WS last year?
They painted a pretty accurate picture of the fanbase. The best was the brawl between Green Man and the Phanatic, and Charlie being dragged out of the courtroom screaming about how he had to call it the “Phernetic” or the show would have been sued by MLB.
"All energy flows according to the whims of the great magnet
What a fool I was to defy him"
-HST
by Meddler on Oct 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part
Was Mac’s love letter to Chase Utley. Video here.
“Oh shit, there are stickers.”
by Eric Simon on Oct 27, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, god i love that show
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Did you have a good relationship with your father?"
“Me neither.”
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, pretty much a documentary
I had to spend a week in Philly last year. That was the week some maniac would sneak up on people who fell asleep on the subway and beat their skull in with a hammer. He brought his 5 yo son along to teach him how to do it. The other riders just watched.
by hotspur on Oct 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mac
“my first idea is to scale the wall and sneak my way into the stadium.”
Dee: you do not have the strennth for this at all."
Mac: “I 100 percent have the upper body strenth to scale this wall dee!”
love the show..its the only good thing that philadelphia brings to the table
"The Mets have shown me more ways to lose than I even knew existed."
-Casey Stengel
by He'sGotPotential on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are others.
There’s that, and the old ECW, and Yuengling, and Tastykakes, and…umm…errr…damn, that’s it. I got nothin else.
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and for some reason I forgot to add Wawa to that list. Silly me.
Beer is good! And stuff!
by R_Adragna on Oct 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah Wawa, i'll give it to philly ... thats how a convenience store should be.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True because when I need a sandwich, I need to be asked a 100 questions by a touch screen. Also, no cheddar cheese in philadelphia. Seriously, ask for it sometime
by TheBigStapler on Oct 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Wawa is awesome, definitely kicks the crap out of 7-11. But, who needs it in New York…we have real deli’s.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 28, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve been to Wawa’s in south jersey and they are great when you need something quick. So that’s one thing Philly does better than NY, can anyone think of anything else?
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they do exteriors in Philthadelphia
i’m told
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the +/- on THT take account Citi Field
because UZR doesnt
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Oct 27, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a Black Sunday game
I’m hoping a deranged pilot crashes the Goodyear blimp into the stadium, killing both teams. Mets win!
by 1T on Oct 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
davis vs. strasburg
first at-bat: 2-1 count, hit a sharp liner off a 98 mph fastball, unfortunately it was caught. per jason gray.
by all accounts, ike annihilates fastballs. once he gets a better grasp of breaking balls, he could be a legitimate slugging first baseman
by firejerrymanuel on Oct 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vlad cant walk anymore
Ashame, too. They guy had a cannon for an arm.
by Scent of a Woman on Oct 27, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he still does
but it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t actually get to anything in the outfield
by JoshNY on Oct 27, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, literally vlad can walk
however, not to the capability of playing a major leauge outfield.
by Scent of a Woman on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, I know
I meant maybe he still does have a cannon for an arm
by JoshNY on Oct 28, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ghost of Vlad
makes no sense for the Mets. Even if he can still hit some they have no DH spot to hide him when, as is likely, he can’t play the field. And since he’ll have to play the field most games, that will all but negate his hitting.
I would have loved to have seen Vlad in a Mets uni for the last five years, but that’s all done and gone.
Signing him now would be like hanging out on your long ago ex-girlfriend’s front yard. She’s married, she’s got a kid, she’s put on thirty pounds, and can’t remember what it was like to make love with you.
It’s over. Get used to it. Move on.
by SeanSchirmer on Oct 27, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Pedro pitches a CG shutout
That will be the only game i will watch in the series.Thank God For the Knicks
Gangsta
by Jadden Hopkins on Oct 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only person who wants Pedro Martinez to fail miserably?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although any Pedro "fail" I'm hoping for
is far more related to who I want to win the World Series than seeing Pedro actually fail.
by James Kannengieser on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, well yeah.
go yankees (i guess), but i wouldn’t mind him pitching awesomely but the Phillies O putting up an embarrassing showing.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
8 IP, 10 K, 1 BB, 1 ER, L.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still heart Pedro
I’ve loved him since he was an Expo, so I can’t all of a sudden start hating him now. I’m just gonna pretend this isn’t happening and it’s actually Pedro A. Martinez pitching for the Phillies
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...Why am I the only one who wants Pedro Martinez to fail miserably, then, mostly?
Am I bitter or something?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why be bitter toward him though?
not his fault he got hurt.
Besides, I use up all my bitterness and angry rage towards Tom Glavine.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 28, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know any pitcher can have a bad game at any time
But you could never convince me that Pedro would have given up 7 runs in the first inning of a do-or-die game.
by SuperT on Oct 28, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the exact opposite.
I like Tom Glavine, and dislike Pedro Martinez.
Glavine, at least he was cheaper ($42.5 million dollars over four years), and was a much bigger contributer to the team during his tenure- without his 15 wins, we might not have made it to the playoffs in 2006, in theory. Glavine is much maligned, for being a Brave, and having that one bad game at the end of 2007 (a game that he could have only, in theory, given up two runs, and still lost. The offense disappeared completely against a wild Willis and Florida bullpen), but he consistently put up 30+ starts, 180+ innings, and had an average ERA of 3.85 during his tenure with us.
We spent $53 million dollars on the guy over four seasons, and he pitched only one good one (2005, a year in which nothing much was going on), basically giving us a $53 million dollar contract for one year, and 17 subsequent scattered wins over 269 innings, three more seasons, a bunch of trips to the DL, and various claims that he’s fine, he’s better, he’s 100% healthy, and he’s better than he’s felt in years. Basically, if he hadn’t BSed us with his shuttling back and forth on the DL, and then claiming to be fully healthy when, admittedly in retrospect, he was not, we would have had a healthy Pedro Martinez (evident by his performance with the Phillies) either in 2007 or 2008. And, obviously, that would have helped both campaigns greatly. And then, in the end, he has the “gall” to act like the “victim” when he wasn’t given the inflated contract that he thought he deserved by the Mets (the $5 million dollar +/- with incentives contract he was reportedly seeking, much like John Smoltz’s contract).
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine
I attended both his first and last games as a Met. In between I loved him, and always defended him. I was sitting right behind the Mets dugout at Game 162, and I’ll never forget the look on his face as he walked off the mound. Then, saying he wasn’t devastated, and then re-signing with the Braves. I felt like he might as well have just taken off his Mets jersey on the mound to reveal a Braves shirt underneath, WWF style.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine's a douchenozzle.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I can’t fathom the glavine hatred. Yes he had a horrible start, yes it was the symbolic start that capped that season… no it wasn’t anywhere close to the only reason we missed the playoffs. He’ll always be one of my favorite mets from that era… braves history and all.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, he didn't even pitch well enough for the offense to try to win.
He just killed us right out the gate.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but we lost a ton of starts in those last 2 series, not all of which were glavine
he’s become the symbol of the collapse because he was the last one we saw that season, and he had a bad game for sure, but it wasn’t like it was his all his fault. We lost 3 to washington, 1 to St. Louis, and 2 of 3 to florida to end the season. Sure glavine lost the last one, but the Mets as a team managed to lose 6 of their last 7. Can’t blame glavine for more than 2 of those.
by KeithsMoustache on Oct 28, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense didn't even come close. At least, if they'd put up a fight...
One run, with plenty of opportunities. Asides for that one run, what was the closest we came to scoring again? Castro’s fly out with bases loaded in the second (or whatever inning it was)?
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really blame him, actually
But I do like to hate on him for the “devastated” lecture about kids with cancer and whatnot. I think that he was with the mets to get his 300 wins and did not ever really have a bond with the fans, and losing that game did not kill him like it killed us. It did not, in fact, devastate him.
by SuperT on Oct 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what ?
they are all rich. they lose, they go home and count their millions. at least he was brutally honest about it.
by fxcarden on Oct 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we're talking about the difference between he and Pedro
And I think Pedro would have been very much devastated, he’s so freaking competitive, and he’s one of those players with a really symbiotic relationship with the fans.
And Beltran was so devastated last year he was crying on Petey’s shoulder. I despise this “they make millions, what do they care” argument. Sure, plenty of players play more for their own goals than the fans’ goals. But I like players who’s goals have some relationship to mine, and I don’t like the ones who’s goals don’t.
by SuperT on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like an ex-girlfriend that you loved asking for you back. You say, “I know we had great times but I can’t put myself in a position to get hurt again because I love you too much.” Then, she ends up marrying your worst enemy.
by TheBigStapler on Oct 28, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good analogy
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"
by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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